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Still thinking of voting liberal? You're probably a racist

No question now that Justin is a racist. So why vote liberal? If people do, Justin, a known racist, will be the prime minister of Canada. It's that simple.

Here's the basics of the white racist liberal hack arguments I have heard so from two news articles on rabble and one in the toronto star. 

ICM- The liberals have done a lot of stuff to get rid of racism. The conservatives, they're more racist! It's better to vote for someone that's less racist and don't worry, I'll provide you with the definition of what racism is. I'm a white privilaged male, therefore I'm an expert on racism, you can trust me.

WWWTT-Ya ok but what about the NDP? What about Jagmeet Singh? If anti racism is such a strong motivation in how people vote shouldn't the NDP be considered and Jag be considered?

ICM- Crickets chirping

ICM- What Justin did when he was younger wasn't really racism, he was just joking around ha ha ha. Everyone was having fun smiling and dancing

WWWTT- Ya but many people of color say that black/brown facing is racism for numerous reasons. Are you not going to listen to them?

ICM- We already had an interview with the defence minister Harjit Singh Sajjin and he accepts Justin's apology and says that Justin isn't a racist.

WWWTT- Ya ok I guess if one person that needs Justin to look electable to voters so that he gets re elected to keep his job says so?

WWWTT- If racism is so wide spread in Canada, isn't that because  many of the people in Canada are racist? What kind of optics does it send to Canadians that a racist can still be prime minister in Canada. Isn't that helping racism?

ICM-If Canadians vote conservative, racism will get worse in Canada!

WWWTT- Ya what about voting NDP? What about Jag? Why are you not saying that people should vote for Jag?

Ok this thread opener is different. But you can see where I'm going with this

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Oooh... I never knew I was a racist but I've just been schooled.

Do I care? No. Because everything according to WWTT is racist if it doesn't fit his narrative.

Bro, it's no wonder everyone is ignoring your threads.

WWWTT

G20 summit, Justin sits beside Xi Jin Ping, barely looks over to him. You would think Justin knows a few words of Mandarin dialect considereng the fact that the third most common language in Canada is Mandarin. No? 你好?你干什么?

What Justin did was a clear display of racism. The entire deteriation of Canada/China relations is probably due to his racism.

WWWTT

alan smithee wrote:

Oooh... I never knew I was a racist but I've just been schooled.

Do I care? No. Because everything according to WWTT is racist if it doesn't fit his narrative.

Bro, it's no wonder everyone is ignoring your threads.

Of course you don't care. Lots of Canadians don't care.

Why should you care? You're white. Racism doesn't affect you.

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

EDIT

So according to you, anyone who is white is ipso facto a racist. That's a crock of shit and yes, I live in Montreal, nobody cares, even people of colour.

WWWTT

alan smithee wrote:

Oh shut up,mate

Another in depth intellectual comment by Allan Smithee. Holy fuck baby you're blowing my mind!

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

WWWTT wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Oh shut up,mate

Another in depth intellectual comment by Allan Smithee. Holy fuck baby you're blowing my mind!

You're one to talk you intellectual light weight.

WWWTT

Actually I copyrighted that term.  How about using some creativity in your writing to spice up the usual horseshit you are notorious for?

Oh and by the way, you're welcome, again.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

WWWTT wrote:

Actually I copyrighted that term.  How about using some creativity in your writing to spice up the usual horseshit you are notorious for?

Oh and by the way, you're welcome, again.

Conversation over. You're looking for a fight. You give me no challenge. Goodbye, Jackson.

Paladin1

What we need is woke white males to come tell us what racisim is and let us know who the racists are. 

WWWTT

I actually prefer that to privelaged white males working for the icm trying to tell us what racism isn't ;)

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

OK...I'll bite. My white privelege of my white ass has blinded me from racism. I am SO racist that I won't watch hockey because the pucks are black. I have always believed thazt burning crosses were great for roasting marshmallow. 

In the REAL words of Donald Trump, 'I am the MOST racist person you will ever meet' 

Thank you dipshit, I feel a heavy load off my shoulders.

WWWTT

Ok now this article I'm posting is from the Washington post. However it is writin by a black woman living in Toronto

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/19/justin-trudeaus-racis...

 

WWWTT
WWWTT

Here's a blast from the past 2017 from black Lives Matter

https://www.blogto.com/city/2017/02/black-lives-matter-toronto-trudeau-w...

This is taken from the link above

"When Justin Trudeau says that he is a liar," she says, "he is a hypocrite, he is a white supremacist terrorist."

White supremacist terrorist! I'm sure if Andrew Coyne were to do an article on accusations of Justin being a white supremist terrorist, he would somehow work it in that a white supremist isn't really a racist according to his line of thinking.

Ya these are the things people of color are saying. But for some reason babblers are looking for insight from white liberal hack imperialist corporate media writers

WWWTT

And another blast from the part accusing Justin of racism.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/indigenous-advocates-slam-...

"I was actually shocked to read that coming from someone who's been speaking about reconciliation and repairing relationships," said Pam Palmater, an associate professor and chair in Indigenous governance at Ryerson University in Toronto.

"To read this super-arrogant, super-racist comment was really disgusting."

Assembly of First Nations regional chief Roger Augustine, who represents New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island, said Mr. Trudeau's comments about Mr. Brazeau could undermine his government's message.

Pam Palmater back in 2017 was saying that Justin was making super-racist comments!

WWWTT

alan smithee wrote:

Conversation over. You're looking for a fight. You give me no challenge. Goodbye, Jackson.

It's never really a converation with racists to begin with.

I'm just getting warmed up. Enjoy!

WWWTT

What a relief to read this article

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/jagmeet-singh-just-shared-the-mo...

What a surprise to find a news article that doesn't forgive Justin's racism!

A first for babble! 

You guessed it, you're welcome!

Pondering

So, your preference is for Scheer to become PM?

WWWTT

Pondering wrote:

So, your preference is for Scheer to become PM?

I don't think you read the opener.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Pondering wrote:

So, your preference is for Scheer to become PM?

WTF kind of idiotic statement is that?  The state of Canadian politics is highlighted when "progressive" people think they have to chose the lesser of two racists because the other parties are led by a woman and a brown guy with a turban.

Pondering

Look at all the racists!

https://montrealgazette.com/news/trudeaus-record-on-race-shouldnt-be-overlooked-community-groups-say

The Black Coalition of Quebec also invited Trudeau to put the scandal behind him on Thursday, describing it as a “tempest in a teapot.”

 

Fo Niemi, the executive director of the Center for Research-Action on Race Relations, ......

But Niemi also hopes the scandal won’t continue to be the focus of the federal election campaign. Defending Trudeau’s record while in power, he pointed out several actions the Liberal government has taken to fight racism and discrimination in the country.

And some more racists!

https://montrealgazette.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/residents-in-trudeaus-montreal-riding-unfazed-by-blackface-scandal/wcm/695a6483-9581-4de4-926b-095d1caf0b53

n working-class Parc Extension, where a majority of residents are immigrants who have neither English nor French as their mother tongue, residents conversed in Urdu, Arabic and Hindu as they watched their children play in a small park or ducked in and out of a number of small stores boasting goods from all over the world.

When questioned, many said they didn’t believe Trudeau had meant to offend.

Sani Piameng, the owner of an African butcher shop and grocery store, said Trudeau has often visited his store and even watched soccer games with him and his customers.

“The man is not racist,” said Piameng, who is black. “He’s open to everybody.”

His wife, Juliana Owusu, said she didn’t feel “at all” offended by Trudeau’s actions, which she compared to dressing up for Halloween or a play.

“If I’m a black person, and I want to dress like Cinderella, is that racist?” she asked.

Piameng and Owusu said there are six people in their household, and all of them would vote for Trudeau.

And there are even more if you read the whole article. It seems there are many PoC who do not agree with you. 

 

Paladin1

Pondering wrote:

So, your preference is for Scheer to become PM?

 

Can you post a picture of Scheer in black face, article where he groped a woman at a party, story where fired a FN woman for not playing ball and protecting his pet company, vidor of him laughing at an FN woman who's reserves water  is being poisoned, list of ethical violations he's been guilty of?

NorthReport

WWT

Um no.

I know I am going to regret commenting in this absurd thread but.....

The deterioration happened because we decided to support a request from the US to arrest Meng and quite frankly in the real world do you seriously think for a second we are not going do as requested by the USA  

And contrary to all of your many China can do no wrong musings, China can be obnoxious creeps in business negotiations. HD Mining in Tumbler Ridge anyone!

Yes China has made many significant strides in improving the lives of many their citizens but your over the top raw raw China nonsense is nauseating to say the least.

Give it a rest! 

I could understand if your were commenting on the likes of Andrew Scheer but your comments about Justin Trudeau being a racist etc are beyond the pale and it is obvious you are suffering from low comprehension abilities.

WWWTT wrote:

G20 summit, Justin sits beside Xi Jin Ping, barely looks over to him. You would think Justin knows a few words of Mandarin dialect considereng the fact that the third most common language in Canada is Mandarin. No? 你好?你干什么?

What Justin did was a clear display of racism. The entire deteriation of Canada/China relations is probably due to his racism.

Left Turn Left Turn's picture

Currently the Conservatives appear to be the party that is gaining the most from this in the polling, with the Bloc also benefiting.  In what way does people shfting their support from the Liberals and NDP to the Conservatives and the Bloc benefit the fight against racism in Canada?

NorthReport

Very well said Left Turn

Pondering

Paladin1 wrote:

Pondering wrote:

So, your preference is for Scheer to become PM?

 

Can you post a picture of Scheer in black face, article where he groped a woman at a party, story where fired a FN woman for not playing ball and protecting his pet company, vidor of him laughing at an FN woman who's reserves water  is being poisoned, list of ethical violations he's been guilty of?

I'm a pragmatist. What matters to me is policy. I am fortunate to be in a riding in which I can vote NDP without fear of a Conservative getting in but if need be I would hold my nose and vote, I can barely say it, the L word.

There is no need to get all excited about it just yet. The election is still a month away. It will be decided in the last week and not before. That is when the undecideds tune in for real. PoC are already lining up to defend Trudeau. The threat of a Conservative win will draw progressives to the Liberals to avoid the horror of a Conservative win. 

It is better for the NDP if the Liberals have a strong lead because then people feel comfortable voting NDP. 

voice of the damned

His wife, Juliana Owusu, said she didn’t feel “at all” offended by Trudeau’s actions, which she compared to dressing up for Halloween or a play.

“If I’m a black person, and I want to dress like Cinderella, is that racist?” she asked.

Well, okay, but that kind of tosses out the type of anti-racist analysis that critical-race theorists have been trying to impart, not least on this very forum. Because the woman is essentally saying that there is no difference between a white guy dressing as Aladdin, and a black woman dressing as Cinderella. IOW, there are no power imbalances in society that would make the former more problematic than the latter.

Which is the basic liberal "common sense" argument, devoid of any larger analysis of class and caste. Not that that's neccessarily incorrect, but it ulitmatety ends up validating stuff like "What's the big deal about Robert Downey jr, doing blackface in Tropic Thunder? Eddie Murphy did Mr. Rogers on Saturday Night Live!"

 

Pondering

voice of the damned wrote:

His wife, Juliana Owusu, said she didn’t feel “at all” offended by Trudeau’s actions, which she compared to dressing up for Halloween or a play.

“If I’m a black person, and I want to dress like Cinderella, is that racist?” she asked.

Well, okay, but that kind of tosses out the type of anti-racist analysis that critical-race theorists have been trying to impart, not least on this very forum. Because the woman is essentally saying that there is no difference between a white guy dressing as Aladdin, and a black woman dressing as Cinderella. IOW, there are no power imbalances in society that would make the former more problematic than the latter.

Which is the basic liberal "common sense" argument, devoid of any larger analysis of class and caste. Not that that's neccessarily incorrect, but it ulitmatety ends up validating stuff like "What's the big deal about Robert Downey jr, doing blackface in Tropic Thunder? Eddie Murphy did Mr. Rogers on Saturday Night Live!"

From what I have read there is no excuse for Trudeau not knowing that blackface is offensive and racist. The point I am making is that you cannot call someone racist simply because they accept Trudeau's apology or still intend to vote for him. 

PoC are just as pragmatic as anyone else. I hope this gives the NDP a boost I really do. I just don't want to see support shifting to the Conservatives over it. They are not less racist. 

Paladin1

Pondering wrote:

I'm a pragmatist. What matters to me is policy. I am fortunate to be in a riding in which I can vote NDP without fear of a Conservative getting in but if need be I would hold my nose and vote, I can barely say it, the L word.

See if we're being honest here I find that mindset absolutely mind boggling. After everything Trudeau (writ large Liberals) has done in the last 4 years you would still vote for them just to keep the conservatives out. Going back to my post show me where Scheer has did anything remotely close to what Trudeau is guilty of. You can't because he hasn't. I truely wonder what Trudeau would have to do to shake his loyal fans. He's grouped women and said she remembers the events differently after he stated, to Canada and the world, victims must be believed. Laughed about a $2000 (or whatever) donation that women fromt he reserve made.  Wore black face and if I'm not mistaken there's a video of him making money faces or sounds to go along with it. Kept the arms deal with one of th emost evil and human abusing regiemes out there. Intimidated and harassed a subordinate then fired her when she wouldn't do what he told her (which has been found to be an ethical violation).  And so on.

But watch out for Scheer , he's "scarry".

I think people who will vote Liberal after their behavior for the last 4 years are legitimately scarry (and I've met some bad people) because I'm left wondering what, if anything, would actually cause them not to vote for Liberals (and thus enabling their behavior). Probably nothing.

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

WWWTT wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Conversation over. You're looking for a fight. You give me no challenge. Goodbye, Jackson.

It's never really a converation with racists to begin with.

I'm just getting warmed up. Enjoy!

Yeah. I hope you have plenty of astro glide. You wouldn't want your penis to get rub burned. So yes, keep on jerking off to your blatant idiocy. 

WWWTT

Just read an article about liberal candidate signs with their pictures on them getting vandalized painted black.

This is all so far a very new incident. Less than one week. Political adds coming out over the next couple weeks I'm sure will work this into them somehow. How they will look, at this point I'm not sure? I have a suspicion however that they may be along the same lines as my thread title.

WWWTT

@ allan smithee

You've got a lot of anger brother. I recognize the racist in me. Maybe that helps? 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

WWWTT wrote:

@ allan smithee

You've got a lot of anger brother. I recognize the racist in me. Maybe that helps? 

You seem to have a redundancy problem. You're predictable and boring. 

Aristotleded24

Paladin1 wrote:
After everything Trudeau (writ large Liberals) has done in the last 4 years you would still vote for them just to keep the conservatives out. Going back to my post show me where Scheer has did anything remotely close to what Trudeau is guilty of. You can't because he hasn't.

For starters, his party has no real plan to deal with climate change. His party has made an issue of balancing the budget, which is essentially politician-speak for cutting services that people depend on. His candidates have used racist dogwhistles regarding irregular immigration to try and make people scared of immigrants and refugees without proposing any realistic solutions. His party has also called for ramming the pipeline through BC, even though that's a blatant violation of provincial jurisdiction to at least have an opinion of what goes through their province. One wonders if the Conservatives are prepared to call in the military to shoot at peaceful protesters to get this pipeline built.

That's what I can think of off the top of my head. Not that the Liberals are good on any of these fronts, but there is good reason to fear what the Conservatives would do.

Paladin1 wrote:
I think people who will vote Liberal after their behavior for the last 4 years are legitimately scarry (and I've met some bad people) because I'm left wondering what, if anything, would actually cause them not to vote for Liberals (and thus enabling their behavior). Probably nothing.

I'm scared that with everything Harper did and his blatantly racist campaign that 30% of the electorate still voted for him. My own province just saw fit to re-elect a Premier who has gutted health services throughout the province, done nothing about the meth crisis that has gripped Winnipeg, and presided over increases in the number of murders that happened in Winnipeg. You're right, it is scary that people will blindy defend their party no matter what sins the party commits. That's not limited to the Liberals. The Conservatives have plenty of those types as well.

Pondering

Paladin1 wrote:

Pondering wrote:

I'm a pragmatist. What matters to me is policy. I am fortunate to be in a riding in which I can vote NDP without fear of a Conservative getting in but if need be I would hold my nose and vote, I can barely say it, the L word.

See if we're being honest here I find that mindset absolutely mind boggling. After everything Trudeau (writ large Liberals) has done in the last 4 years you would still vote for them just to keep the conservatives out. Going back to my post show me where Scheer has did anything remotely close to what Trudeau is guilty of. You can't because he hasn't. I truely wonder what Trudeau would have to do to shake his loyal fans. He's grouped women and said she remembers the events differently after he stated, to Canada and the world, victims must be believed. Laughed about a $2000 (or whatever) donation that women fromt he reserve made.  Wore black face and if I'm not mistaken there's a video of him making money faces or sounds to go along with it. Kept the arms deal with one of th emost evil and human abusing regiemes out there. Intimidated and harassed a subordinate then fired her when she wouldn't do what he told her (which has been found to be an ethical violation).  And so on.

But watch out for Scheer , he's "scarry".

I think people who will vote Liberal after their behavior for the last 4 years are legitimately scarry (and I've met some bad people) because I'm left wondering what, if anything, would actually cause them not to vote for Liberals (and thus enabling their behavior). Probably nothing.

 

Scheer would entertain Quebec's demand to process federal taxes in Quebec and he wants to push a pipeline through Quebec which would fail while causing enormous anger on all sides.  Trudeau has not done enough for indigenous people but Scheer would do less. The Liberal pharmacare plan is lacking but the Conservatives would be worse. 

I think this will be a blip. Blue Liberals/ Red conservatives that would just as soon have a Conservative government have slid over thinking this will have weakened Trudeau sufficiently to tank his second term. Some PoCs, it seems most, have seen the danger and are coming out in defence of or forgiveness for Trudeau. 

We are a month away from election day. It will be decided in the last two weeks by non-partisans, people like me. Most of us are deciding between two of the three parties. Our decisions are based on no more than three or less issues. 

1) The economy. Who can be trusted not to destroy it while maintaining government services, health care. Management.

If more than one qualifies, usually the Conservatives and Liberals...

2) who will act on climate change and other progressive issues

3) personal priority issue, for example prostitution, drug legalization, foreign affairs, health care, etc. 

Trudeau wearing blackface or being smarmy with women doesn't justify a PM who would undermine the rights of women and minorities and social services in general. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Paladin1 wrote:

Pondering wrote:

So, your preference is for Scheer to become PM?

 

Can you post a picture of Scheer in black face, article where he groped a woman at a party, story where fired a FN woman for not playing ball and protecting his pet company, vidor of him laughing at an FN woman who's reserves water  is being poisoned, list of ethical violations he's been guilty of?

The firing an FN woman and ethical violantions are strawmen-It would be difficult if not impossible for Scheer to replicate the firing example with an MP because, AFAIK, there are no longer any FN women sitting as Con MPs and none in any significant positions with the party bureaucracy-if somebody knows better than I on that, please post and I'll correct) and it's much harder for an opposition leader to be busted for ethical violations than it is for a PM.  And images were posted of one of his candidates in B.C. hosting a party in which numerous people were in blackface(it was a Dutch Christmas thing, and they were playing the "Black Pete" character).

Plus, the Cons were the party which started the persecution of FN people in Canada(though it was a PC prime minister, John Diefenbaker-someone who'd be considered far too left-wing to lead the Con party today, who began to undo it by extending the franchise to FN people).

And it as pro-PC newspapers who ran disgustingly racist cartoons about Len Marchand, the first acknowledged FN MP and cabinet minister, supposedly sitting at his desk in his ministerial office in braids and buckskins.

And the Cons were, among other things, the anti-Catholic, largely anti-Celtic, anti-immigration from anywhere but the British Isles and Northern Europe party for most of their early history as well, in addition to their attempts to eradicate FN culture.

So no, other than Lincoln Alexander, nobody in the Conservative tradition would be entitled to lecture anyone on these issues.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Ken the last thing that the people in Canada need is the US either or evil choices. We have another choice and it is not Trudeau. His government is the party in power and they have been in breach of a Canadian Human Rights Decisions ordering them to fix First Nations discrimination that has been proven in a hearing and they have ignored it for over a year and have been repeatedly cited by the CHRC for failing to abide by its rulings. I don't have to imagine what a Conservative government would be like because we need to defeat the current government not hang onto them because we fear a bogeyman.

Enough of the you have to vote for the lesser of evils that is an evil in itself.

voice of the damned

Pondering wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

His wife, Juliana Owusu, said she didn’t feel “at all” offended by Trudeau’s actions, which she compared to dressing up for Halloween or a play.

“If I’m a black person, and I want to dress like Cinderella, is that racist?” she asked.

Well, okay, but that kind of tosses out the type of anti-racist analysis that critical-race theorists have been trying to impart, not least on this very forum. Because the woman is essentally saying that there is no difference between a white guy dressing as Aladdin, and a black woman dressing as Cinderella. IOW, there are no power imbalances in society that would make the former more problematic than the latter.

Which is the basic liberal "common sense" argument, devoid of any larger analysis of class and caste. Not that that's neccessarily incorrect, but it ulitmatety ends up validating stuff like "What's the big deal about Robert Downey jr, doing blackface in Tropic Thunder? Eddie Murphy did Mr. Rogers on Saturday Night Live!"

From what I have read there is no excuse for Trudeau not knowing that blackface is offensive and racist. The point I am making is that you cannot call someone racist simply because they accept Trudeau's apology or still intend to vote for him. 

Well, the woman I quoted didn't just say that she accepts Trudeau's apology: she suggested that there was no difference between a black person dressing up in whiteface, and a white person dressing up in blackface.

NDPP

Thanks Ken for reminding me of the late Canadian senator Len Marchand. I well remember as others apparently do not his particular pressure upon politicians and police in the summer of 1995 to 'invade' Gustafsen Lake and crush the Indigenous resistance to Marchand, Mercredi, John and the rest of the governments' compradors so lovingly, lavishly funded for services rendered to the settler-state.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NDPP wrote:

Thanks Ken for reminding me of the late Canadian senator Len Marchand. I well remember as others apparently do not his particular pressure upon politicians and police in the summer of 1995 to 'invade' Gustafsen Lake and crush the Indigenous resistance to Marchand, Mercredi, John and the rest of the governments' compradors so lovingly, lavishly funded for services rendered to the settler-state.

I do not in any way defend Marchand for his stance on that, as you should know by now.  I was simply referencing his treatment in the Tory press as an example of THAT party not having any credibility on antiracism.

And it is a fair question as to what you'd recommend for the next election.

Obviously, people shouldn't vote Liberal.  With its flaws, the NDP is clearly the most antiracist party in the election.

Nothing is ever going to be changed by the electoral boycott you would likely advocate.  Electoral boycotts always fail to have any transformative effect. 

It would also fail to achieve anything to vote for the CPC or the CPC-ML.-especially since those parties never nominate more than a handful of candidates.

 

 

WWWTT

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Ken the last thing that the people in Canada need is the US either or evil choices. We have another choice and it is not Trudeau. His government is the party in power and they have been in breach of a Canadian Human Rights Decisions ordering them to fix First Nations discrimination that has been proven in a hearing and they have ignored it for over a year and have been repeatedly cited by the CHRC for failing to abide by its rulings. I don't have to imagine what a Conservative government would be like because we need to defeat the current government not hang onto them because we fear a bogeyman.

Enough of the you have to vote for the lesser of evils that is an evil in itself.

Yes we are saying the same thing. I prefer my approach because your approach has failed Canadians for decades.

The liberal hacks have basically (as you are fully aware) justified/ignored/denied/looked the other way etc etc with racism.The conservative hacks have done the exact same thing. And can easily justify their policies as not being racist just as easily/convincing as any liberal hack. Complete with people of color with supporting comments!

The irony in this (as you are fully aware of again), the liberal hacks will do anything to justify/dismiss racism so that they won't have to vote for a person of color! This is why the thread title is in fact appropiate

It's all very logical, and to many, old news.

conservatives=liberals, and/or vise-versa.  I've been posting this for years on forums, here included. But hacks ignore/insult/threaten etc etc.

The more I think of it, my thread title doesnt go far enough!

Pondering

voice of the damned wrote:

Well, the woman I quoted didn't just say that she accepts Trudeau's apology: she suggested that there was no difference between a black person dressing up in whiteface, and a white person dressing up in blackface.​......

Well, okay, but that kind of tosses out the type of anti-racist analysis that critical-race theorists have been trying to impart, not least on this very forum. Because the woman is essentally saying that there is no difference between a white guy dressing as Aladdin, and a black woman dressing as Cinderella. IOW, there are no power imbalances in society that would make the former more problematic than the latter.

Which is the basic liberal "common sense" argument, devoid of any larger analysis of class and caste. Not that that's neccessarily incorrect, but it ulitmatety ends up validating stuff like "What's the big deal about Robert Downey jr, doing blackface in Tropic Thunder? Eddie Murphy did Mr. Rogers on Saturday Night Live!"

Not the Liberal argument. The argument of people on the street. This woman likely doesn't have a background in western culture so she sees it at face value. Not recognizing blackface as racist is not racist in and of itself unless you are informed about the background and that it is offensive to PoC. The offensiveness is rooted in the history of dressing up as a random generic black person to mock them as a race. Because of that, today, even using blackface to present as a particular figure be it Aladin or Nelson Mandela it's offensive. 

WWWTT

alan smithee wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

@ allan smithee

You've got a lot of anger brother. I recognize the racist in me. Maybe that helps? 

You seem to have a redundancy problem. You're predictable and boring. 

Just admit it, you won't for Jag because you're a racist!

I would never recoment voting liberal because if Justin, a proven self admited racist becomes pm, the optics will be horrifc.

WWWTT

Here's a good article from a woman of color from Toronto

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/21/opinions/trudeau-blackface-canada-no-raci...

Paladin1

Took me a while to find this thread again.

Aristotleded24 wrote:

For starters, his party has no real plan to deal with climate change. His party has made an issue of balancing the budget, which is essentially politician-speak for cutting services that people depend on. His candidates have used racist dogwhistles regarding irregular immigration to try and make people scared of immigrants and refugees without proposing any realistic solutions. His party has also called for ramming the pipeline through BC, even though that's a blatant violation of provincial jurisdiction to at least have an opinion of what goes through their province. One wonders if the Conservatives are prepared to call in the military to shoot at peaceful protesters to get this pipeline built.

Not to respond with a "ya but what about" but I haven't seen any sort of realistic plan from the Liberals on the climate change front. Besides a cabon tax. Which people get back anyways? I'm no expert but it seems like halting the cutting of trees for lumber in Canada would do more to combat carbon on earth than taxing me and you. Candidates and racisim? Trudeau paraded around in blackface on so many occasions he can't even remember. If a conservative politician got caught doing that Trudeau would be curled up in a ball crying about how hurt he was to see such an evil and racist thing - then call for a national day of mourning.

Pipelines - Trans Mountain project approved by Liberals. I wouldn't be worried about conservatives calling in the army. After SNC we know that Trudeau doesn't like to be told no and isn't afraid of bending or breaking rules to get what he wants - or send others to put pressure on people to keep his hands clean.

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That's what I can think of off the top of my head. Not that the Liberals are good on any of these fronts, but there is good reason to fear what the Conservatives would do.

Fair enough my friend. I agree. But I still think the scary conservatives is big time hyperbole.

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I'm scared that with everything Harper did and his blatantly racist campaign that 30% of the electorate still voted for him. My own province just saw fit to re-elect a Premier who has gutted health services throughout the province, done nothing about the meth crisis that has gripped Winnipeg, and presided over increases in the number of murders that happened in Winnipeg. You're right, it is scary that people will blindy defend their party no matter what sins the party commits. That's not limited to the Liberals. The Conservatives have plenty of those types as well.

Do you have any suggestions how to deal with the meth crisis in Winnipeg? Or 11 dead per day OD crisis in BC?

It seems like a complex issue.

And no one likes services being cut but honestly there comes a point when governments run out of money and can't keep borrowing it. Shitty decisions have to be made to balance the budget. I don't like it anymore than anyone else but that's what happens when the government spends money willy nilly. We're pretty good at giving money away and bragging about it on Twitter.

Paladin1

Pondering wrote:

 or being smarmy with women

You consider groping a woman then offering an elitest "sorry I didn't realize who you were" to be swarmy?

What do you think of where Trudeu's right hand is placed in his Black face photo?

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alan smithee wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

@ allan smithee

You've got a lot of anger brother. I recognize the racist in me. Maybe that helps? 

You seem to have a redundancy problem. You're predictable and boring. 

Just admit it, you won't for Jag because you're a racist!

I would never recoment voting liberal because if Justin, a proven self admited racist becomes pm, the optics will be horrifc.

And when the Conservatiuves win you're going to bitch and moan about their policies. You want to talk racism? Take a good look at the Cons and especially Scheer who has appeared on Faith Goldy's show so yeah, I don't want a racist pm who is going to suck off Donald Trump and get Canada inolved with all the wars they have up their sleeves at the beheast of Israel and now Saudi Arabia.

Or all the pipelines that will be built across Canada and even in the Arctic.

Or them taking a chainsaw to our social safety net.

Not to mention all the terrrible super right wing  policies they will make into law. Oh you wait. This is still Stephen Harper's party .

And you think the Liberals are bad? 

You're in for a big surprise, Buckwheat.

Pondering

Paladin1 wrote:

Pondering wrote:

 or being smarmy with women

You consider groping a woman then offering an elitest "sorry I didn't realize who you were" to be swarmy?

What do you think of where Trudeu's right hand is placed in his Black face photo?

Not the right word, maybe more like slimey, creepy. Concerning the groping allegation because the woman herself was not ready to back up her words or describe specifically what happened I won't judge him on it. I stumbled and accidently touched a man inappropriately from behind, so embarassing, but I didn't intentionally grope him. I don't like his hand placement in the photo but it seems like he was deliberately acting a part not copping a feel and I don't know his relationship to the woman. I see him as somewhat clueless and obviously theatrical. He acts as chairman of the board not CEO as PM. Unelected people are running the government. It is a sad state of affairs that we have so little to choose from on the national stage.  Whatever his flaws Singh is certainly the most intellectually qualified to be PM out of the lot. 

 

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Pondering wrote:

. I see him as somewhat clueless and obviously theatrical. He acts as chairman of the board not CEO as PM. Unelected people are running the government. It is a sad state of affairs that we have so little to choose from on the national stage.  Whatever his flaws Singh is certainly the most intellectually qualified to be PM out of the lot. 

 

Last election you were fawning all over Trudeau...  After this election?....Gush for the Con leader? It seems to be the pattern.

Unelected people are running our government? What the fuck does that mean? What are you talking about? 

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