Petition for Arthur Cramer

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Misfit Misfit's picture
Petition for Arthur Cramer

We miss him.

Pondering

I don't think he is permanently banned but if so I will add my name to your petition.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I like AC. He's passionate about his politics but never said anything I found offensive.

 

 

 

I'm sure his banishment was overzealous.Hope to see him again soon.

nicky

Hear, hear !!!

As a wise poster said on another thread:

"Bring back Arthur!!! He's worth a thousand Ponderings, a million Debaters and more TerryTs than there are stars in the heavens."

I move that the moderators contact Arthur and invite him to return.

Jacob Two-Two

Well, within the confines of my limited knowledge about AC and his banning or not, I will add to the people saying that I'd like to see him back.

David Young

nicky wrote:

Hear, hear !!!

As a wise poster said on another thread:

"Bring back Arthur!!! He's worth a thousand Ponderings, a million Debaters and more TerryTs than there are stars in the heavens."

I move that the moderators contact Arthur and invite him to return.

I second the motion!

 

Unionist

Stop this foolishness. I argued endlessly with Arthur to get him to stay. He couldn't stand the provocations and baiting. Finally it penetrated my head that if he wanted to leave that badly, he had the right to do so. I will, however, reach out and see if he's ready to come back. But please leave the mods alone. And already this thread is turning into a dirty little pissing match of the usual kind. It's a wonder anyone would want to hang around here. A tribute to the invincibilty of the human spirit, perhaps.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Thoughtful post, U.

How's Montreal this week?  Getting the "arctic air" blasting through like the rest of the continent?

Unionist

Yes. Ugh. And walking is treacherous.

Slumberjack

Aside from his politics, I like Arthur.  It seems that the back and forth that comes from being involved in party political discussions is frustrating business at the best of times.  Certainly, the individual can't be faulted for stepping away from it all.

zerocarbs

Oh man. Arthur C got banned? I don't think I agreed with most of his stuff, but at least I could understand it. I've self-banned myself for a couple of months, so have no idea what the the issues were/are. But arguing about the correct way to argue has always been one of the worst features of this place. If there was some sort of leftie panel that that had more than a half-dozen posters, I'd be long gone...

Sean in Ottawa

I heard from Art who told me he would like to come back. While I had not intended to post now, I feel obliged to as I can and he cannot. In my case, my not posting is not a moderator decision.

I saw the thread about me and speed Time Bandit responded -- I have no interest in reading what else I missed along that line. I recognize it is not productive to argue even if the point is a twisting of what I said or an over-the-top attack. The way out of that catch 22 is not to read or post and I am okay with that.

But when it comes to Art or anyone else who has been banned and wants to post, I think it does not help to keep off opinions that are controversial, different from the orthodoxy, provocative or even aggravating. A discussion group is boring with out that and lacks the intellectual honesty that comes from being challenged. Banning may be essential sometimes but it is an extreme that should be avoided if possible and short term if it cannot be. Perhaps this one can now be reversed.

In each person we interact with there is a personal context that we do not know. This is all the more true online. These contexts change. As well, we all have different ideas of what fundamental justice and fairness looks like. Some of us respond very strongly, perhaps too strongly, when we see this breached -- that might be the common ground here. Art is one of those passionate people and he has a lot to offer you.

There would be little left of your community if everyone who had ever responded badly had been edited out of the discussion. I think there are very few of you who could claim to have always followed policy and always maintained the necessary respect for others.

Happy New year to all of you.

janfromthebruce

Please let Arthur come back. Art was banned and it was not self imposed. Thank you for listening and let's start the new year by being inclusive. Thanks babble.

NDPP

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

 

But when it comes to Art or anyone else who has been banned and wants to post, I think it does not help to keep off opinions that are controversial, different from the orthodoxy, provocative or even aggravating. A discussion group is boring with out that and lacks the intellectual honesty that comes from being challenged. Banning may be essential sometimes but it is an extreme that should be avoided if possible and short term if it cannot be. Perhaps this one can now be reversed.

There would be little left of your community if everyone who had ever responded badly had been edited out of the discussion. I think there are very few of you who could claim to have always followed policy and always maintained the necessary respect for others.

Happy New year to all of you.

Happy New Year to Arthur and you Sean. I support you in these thoughts. Both you and Arthur should return. And also M Spector, Northern Shoveler, Kropotkin, Fidel, Merowe, Frmr Soldr, and anyone else who may wish to return and contributions they wish to make. Some people have been 'disappeared' without the rest of us even knowing they're gone, or why. History is happening. It requires discussion, analysis, response. The board is poorer for their/your absence...

 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Arthur's suspension has been lifted, at his request, and he can come back and post as he wishes.

And thank you NDPP, as always, for injecting some much-needed humour into this thread.

6079_Smith_W

Be careful what you ask for.

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Never mind that there seems to be a bit of blurring between free expression and and being a jerk (including some who are more than happy to shout others down),

I can think of a number of names that never seem to get mentioned every time this gets brought up, either because they probably aren't the kind of challenge that these campaigners want, or they are one of the many who for wnatever reason decided to walk away, but don't fit the martyr's suit.

 

 

 

 

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

I want to thank everyone for their kind expressions of support. I have given my committment to adhere to board norms. I am going to put this behind me and move forward. Happy New Year to all of my Babble Comrades; this year will no doubt be "interesting". to say the least. Again, my humble, sincere and grateful thanks to everyone and best wishes to you and yours for a splendid 2015! I'm very happy to be back. Cheers!

Unionist

Aristotleded24

Welcome back Art. Nice to hear from you! Looking forward to hearing who you think should be Premier on March 8th! :)

6079_Smith_W

Yeah,  welcome back.

In case it isn't clear, my concern is less with those who honestly want to come back and more with the over-the-top rhetoric we get treated to every time someone decides to storm the Bastille.

It kind of begs the question... has there ever been such a case in which that door has NOT been reopened?

(Speaking as one who helped in such an endeavour not too long ago)

Pondering

Welcome back. I will try not to aggravate you. Smile

Slumberjack

Then stop being a Liberal.

lagatta

I'm nursing a hurt knee and ankle. I fell on some ice that seemed to be coated in a bit of melted water, and my knee got hurt by the gravel the city had put down to create some traction. It is very difficult just running errands.

And no, I was not wearing high-heeled boots like the lady in this photo: http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/votre-opinion/201501/06/01-4832994-janvier...

swallow swallow's picture

Welcome back Arthur, get well soon lagatta!

rhubarb

Welcome back Arthur, I have read your posts in the past and appreciated them.