Rachel Notley tours Canada to shill for pipelines

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progressive17 wrote:

In the production of an electric car, just as much environmental damage is done as in the production of a gasoline car. The mining of lithium is one of the most disgusting businesses on the planet.

Not as much environmental damage is done, however, in the use of an electric car, which is the actual point.

Not only that, but in Montreal alone there are 20,000 km of roads which are paved and patched with bitumen (which I can determine from the stench). So they can drive their E-cars made using mining (and energy mostly derived from fossil fuels), and on roads made with heavy oil. But they can feel good about themselves, I suppose.

When I take transit to somewhere the metro doesn't serve, I board a bus. It drives those same roads. Should I feel just as guilty as someone driving? Would it be no improvement whatsoever if every transit bus in the city were electrified?

Yeah, reducing pollution is a great idea. But the answer is to get as many cars off the road as possible, gasoline or electric. That means making it easier for people to get to work and to where they want to shop, get care, and be entertained. Uh, much more accessible transit.

I don't think anyone on this board is arguing against expanding accessible transit. Some people don't use it, whether it's because they can't given their commute, they're truck drivers hauling cargo, or they're just the stereotypical selfish driver we all love to hate. Surely it's better to have them driving electric cars than the gasoline-powered variety. In the face of a climate catastrophe, every little bit helps.


I found it very weird for progressive to attack me on this when I'm a known enemy of private cars. I was simply talking about electrification to reduce pollution, above all the number of private cars on the road. I know about the pollutants in batteries; there are a lot of pollutants in conventional cars as well.



lagatta4 wrote:

I found it very weird for progressive to attack me on this when I'm a known enemy of private cars. I was simply talking about electrification to reduce pollution, above all the number of private cars on the road. I know about the pollutants in batteries; there are a lot of pollutants in conventional cars as well.

I think it's pretty funny even though I am on your side of this debate.

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

If you haven't seen this, just read (actually, scroll through) it.


Sure it's the corporate media, but even without getting into the problems inland, and the Fraser valley aquifers, this takes this debate from theory to logistical reality.

This is excellent and I have shared it a few times on Facebook.  The reason why those vessels have Canadian pilots on board are because of what mariners call cabatage laws. Those laws are under attack around the globe because it adds a "unnecesary" cost to what shipping companies have to pay for transit through internal shipping lanes. In Canada February 23 is a day of protest over the Liberal intention to adopt the Emerson Report that would do away with the cabatage laws at the same time as the tanker traffic increases expotentially.



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Rachel Notley finds herself in pipeline battles at home and away


The New Democratic Party Leader finished a cross-country tour this week designed to capture people's affections for Alberta's oil in general, and Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain planned pipeline expansion in particular. She finished her excursion in Vancouver on Thursday, speaking to an audience of mostly pipeline boosters at the board of trade. The hearty standing ovation she received at the conclusion of her speech was no great surprise.

A greater test of her message would have been a chat before the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs. While Ms. Notley was getting easy applause in front of a pro-business crowd, the union's grand chief, Stewart Phillip, was issuing a news release promising more delays on the Trans Mountain project. He vowed a drawn-out and expensive legal battle that would not end well for the pipeline.

I'm still shaking my head after reading this sentence - guess I haven't managed to fully plumb the depths of Ms. Notley's obsessive crusade:

It's Ms. Notley's belief that Mr. Kenney and his supporters have been cheerleading for opponents of the pipeline all along, quietly hoping it fails for their own political reasons.

Is this true? Asking those who are closer to the antediluvian politics of Alberta.

yep Kenneys win is by no means assured

the pcs might plug their nose and vote now even

and now Kennedy has knifed Derek fildebrandt he might lose even more wild rosters.


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I wasn't attacking anyone. To say that I was should probably not be unexpected. I was trying to make a few points to dispel the illusion that electric cars are a panacea. 

- Reducing car driving and keeping the roads for busses and delivery vehicles will drastically reduce wear and tear on those roads. In Germany, they charge trucks a per-kilometer charge for road usage, which pays for road repairs.

If you still have a car, drive behind just one truck during the summer, and witness for yourself the depression its wheels make in the asphalt in real time.

I mean, electric cars are so cool we have one orbiting around the sun now. Brought there by millions of pounds of thrust. Way to go, Elon!


I've never owned a car in my life, though of course a lot of people don't  have that choice, and not only in rural or remote areas. We do need alternatives. Town planning is another facet of this transition, to mean more walkable neighbourhoods and towns.


Alberta launches petition, email tool to rally support for Trans Mountain pipeline


Last week, Notley announced Alberta would no longer import wine from British Columbia for sale in the province's retail outlets.

She said on Monday she would give talks between B.C. and federal officials a couple of days before taking further action.

Bombing raids?



Premier Notley praised by Alberta's energy industry for tough stance in pipeline dispute


"We are very supportive of Premier Notley. She has shown some incredible leadership on this file," Mark Scholz, head of the Canadian Association of Oilwell Drilling Contractors, said Thursday at a panel discussion in Red Deer.

After imposing a boycott on B.C. wine last week, Notley formed a panel of experts to advise her on Alberta's options if B.C. blocks the federally approved pipeline expansion.


"We are very pleased that the government of Alberta is standing up for Alberta, standing up for jobs and standing up for fairness in Canada," said Jeff Gaulin, vice-president of communications for the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP), adding he backs Notley's creation of a panel to further explore Alberta's options.

Gaulin said the energy industry in Canada has three main needs right now: additional investment, more infrastructure like pipelines, and innovation.

"We're really challenged right now, and Canada is falling behind with increasing costs and new rules and complex regulatory systems from government," he said. 

I'm confident Ms. Notley will help reduce those costs, delete those rules, and simplify the regulatory systems. After all - jobs.



Good lord.  So depressing.  I was really excited when the NDP won in Alberta, and I suppose I can add the obligatory "I understand the politics" caveat about their position now but everything about this situation sucks.   The chasm between the NDP's stated and traditional principles and their relentless shilling for the oil industry is so disheartening.   I would say they don't deserve to stay in power, but that's not my call, and unfortunately their position is playing well locally.