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addictedtomyipod

Another by-election bombshell has hit.  This time in Victoria.  There is an article today in the Victoria Times-Colonist in which David Suzuki says that he never endorsed Galloway and the Green Party, and that he still does not.  He doesn't agree with their position on the sewage treatment plant.  The Greens have kept this up as a wedge issue to garner cheap votes and now it has bit them in the butt!  Will we see the Green vote collapse on Monday?  There isn't much time to make up for this huge hit and Lizzie May has a lot of explaining to do, as they milked his name for all its' worth during their campaign.

Murray Rankin and the NDP have been consistant in their position of going ahead with the treatment plant.  No other party took this position.

 

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/David+Suzuki+says+ocean+garbage+doesn+endorse+Green+candidate/7599952/story.html

nicky

In addition to the Suzuki fiasco there is more bad new for the Greens, this time from Calgary Centre.

A new poll shows the Greens fading from a close third to a distant third.

C 37 L 32 G 17 N 12

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/conservative-hold-slight-le...

NorthReport

David Suzuki says the ocean is not a garbage can, he hasn't endorsed Green candidate Galloway

Famed environmentalist David Suzuki says Greater Victoria must stop dumping sewage into the ocean, and he hasn't endorsed the Green party candidate in the riding or the party's position on the sewage issue.

Suzuki clarified his appearance at a Nov. 19 rally of more than 1,300 Green Party of Canada supporters in Victoria this week, saying he was asked by the party to attend. He gave a keynote address about environmental issues.

Many interpreted his presence as an endorsement for candidate Donald Galloway, including, it appears, the candidate himself. A door flyer distributed by the Galloway campaign Thursday read that he is "endorsed by David Suzuki," among others.

But when asked directly whether he endorsed Galloway or the Green party, Suzuki said, "No."

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/David+Suzuki+says+ocean+garbage+hasn+endorsed+Green+candidate+Galloway/7599952/story.html#ixzz2D5ntQc7L

The above article is troubling.

So if the Greens are lying in Victoria, what are they lying about in Calgary-Centre and elsewhere?

 

With the McGuinty/Trudeau Liberal fiasco about Western Canada, and the Greens fiasco in British Columbia, I would expect the NDP could gain, and the PCs to win in Calgary-Centre.

Could the NDP win in both British Columbia and Ontario, and come second in Alberta?

addictedtomyipod

Where is the national media on this story of E. May using David Suzuki?  Will they giver her another free pass?

 

I'm still waiting.......

jerrym

This comment by a reader from the Times Colonist article above puts the Greens in an extremely akward position because when you say that David Suzuki endorses you in your campaign literature and your website and he then denies it, your credibility is destroyed.

"Moss_Rocks 9:51 AM on 11/23/2012

I find it TOTALLY unethical that the Greens are handing out flyers saying Suzuki endorses them. I found one on my door just last night. They also had him all over their website in the endorsement section until this article came out. Was going to vote Green, but forget it. Murray Rankin has proven himself to be the real environmental and honest candidate. You can't just make up endorsements."

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/David+Suzuki+says+ocean+garbage+doesn+...

 

Centrist

addictedtomyipod wrote:
Another by-election bombshell has hit. This time in Victoria. There is an article today in the Victoria Times-Colonist in which David Suzuki says that he never endorsed Galloway and the Green Party, and that he still does not.

Hey, the NDP will win Victoria - As I've said before it's a slam dunk. But I have to disagree with your comments - in terms of fairness. While Suzuki has obviously not directly endorsed Galloway, he spoke at the Green Party rally for Galloway and Suzuki obviously does favour the Greens. The article does state:

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However, he appeared to praise Galloway at the event. "Thank you, Donald, for offering yourself for this very, very tough challenge," Suzuki said at the rally. "The people are here today, I think, to say they appreciate it. They're going to be all out there beating the doors for you as I will be for [Green Party of B.C. candidate] Andrew Weaver when he runs for office next year."

If that does not suggest that Suzuki favours the Greens, I do not know what does. In any event, who cares?

jjuares

Centrist wrote:

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However, he appeared to praise Galloway at the event. "Thank you, Donald, for offering yourself for this very, very tough challenge," Suzuki said at the rally. "The people are here today, I think, to say they appreciate it. They're going to be all out there beating the doors for you as I will be for [Green Party of B.C. candidate] Andrew Weaver when he runs for office next year."

If that does not suggest that Suzuki favours the Greens, I do not know what does. In any event, who cares?

Actually the question is not whether Suzuki favours" the Greens. The Greens claimed he endorsed them. He does not. They were not truthful. Also when you look at the quote you provided he specifically mentions how the people there will be working  for Galloway but does not include himself but says he will do so for Weaver. He will work for Weaver but not for Galloway and does not like the Green position on sewage plant. That is pretty telling.

Finally, you ask, "who cares?". I don't know. Maybe people who value truth and accuracy.

 

janfromthebruce

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addictedtomyipod

Centrist wrote:

addictedtomyipod wrote:
Another by-election bombshell has hit. This time in Victoria. There is an article today in the Victoria Times-Colonist in which David Suzuki says that he never endorsed Galloway and the Green Party, and that he still does not.

Hey, the NDP will win Victoria - As I've said before it's a slam dunk. But I have to disagree with your comments - in terms of fairness. While Suzuki has obviously not directly endorsed Galloway, he spoke at the Green Party rally for Galloway and Suzuki obviously does favour the Greens. The article does state:

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However, he appeared to praise Galloway at the event. "Thank you, Donald, for offering yourself for this very, very tough challenge," Suzuki said at the rally. "The people are here today, I think, to say they appreciate it. They're going to be all out there beating the doors for you as I will be for [Green Party of B.C. candidate] Andrew Weaver when he runs for office next year."

If that does not suggest that Suzuki favours the Greens, I do not know what does. In any event, who cares?

Well, this sentence below makes me think he doesn't want to directly endorse the Greens.  It matters because this blatant use of his name could be reason to sue.  The Green party acted in very bad faith here and that shows that they are no better than any other party, prepared to use any dirty tricks they can find to get elected.

'But when asked directly whether he endorsed Galloway or the Green party, Suzuki said, "No."'

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/David+Suzuki+says+ocean+garbage+hasn+endorsed+Green+candidate+Galloway/7599952/story.html#ixzz2DA9IAKQo

NorthReport

Forget the CEO run press. They only have one real mission in life,  and that is to keep the rich, rich, and the poor, poor.

It is up to us with letters to the editor, op-ed page opinions, demonstations, and ulitimately the ballot box - it can be done.

 

addictedtomyipod wrote:

Where is the national media on this story of E. May using David Suzuki?  Will they giver her another free pass?

 

I'm still waiting.......

mark_alfred

NorthReport wrote:

Forget the CEO run press. They only have one real mission in life,  and that is to keep the rich, rich, and the poor, poor.

It is up to us with letters to the editor, op-ed page opinions, demonstations, and ulitimately the ballot box - it can be done.

 

I think the less attention given to E. May's games the better.  Best ignored.

Aristotleded24

mark_alfred wrote:
NorthReport wrote:

Forget the CEO run press. They only have one real mission in life,  and that is to keep the rich, rich, and the poor, poor.

It is up to us with letters to the editor, op-ed page opinions, demonstations, and ulitimately the ballot box - it can be done.

 

I think the less attention given to E. May's games the better.  Best ignored.

I said at the time of the last federal election that May failing to win a seat would have been better for the Greens in the long term. Looks like that is coming to pass.

Brachina

The embarassing Trudeau video warms my heart, let Canadians see the goofy and fruad for his true self.

In other news I heard a radio ad for Larry, attacking the limo rides and 16 dollar glass of juice (that much for a glass of juice it better be fresh squeezed by the pope himself). I've heard adds from the conservative tool, the Liberal whose tried to exploit and offended vets, and but this was the first I'd heard from the NDP and it blow the other ads away, it was much better and effective. I think Larry's got a real shot in Durham.

nicky

I think the stakes for the Greens are very high in these by-elections.

They have obviously put a lot of resources into Victoria and Calgary C. And the media has been paying them a lot of attention.

Victoria was their 6th best result in all of Canada in the last general election- 11.6 per cent - and Calgary C was their 7th best - 11.0. Even in Durham they got 5.5 per cent, well above their national average of 3.8.

If the Greens can't win either Victoria or Calgary, two of their most promising seats, in a by-election where they can concentrate their efforts, then it will raise the legitimate questions of where can they ever make gains and why are they still hanging around to split the anti-Conservative vote.

NorthReport

The NDP candidate Murray Rankin is the only one who wants a sewage treatment plant to go ahead now for Victoria.  Good, as that will differentiate him from the rest when voters go to the polls tomorrow.

Victoria Byelection: Where the candidates stand 

Sewage-teatment debate unexpectedly becomes crux of election

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Victoria+Byelection+Where+candidates+s...

jerrym

The following site, Canadian Election Atlas, gives an excellent detailed demographic and electoral history of the Victoria and Durham ridings. I couldn't find the Calgary Centre byelection. It may be under construction as Durham is dated November 25 and Victoria is dated November 24.

http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2012/11/federal-by-elections-pa...

http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2012/11/federal-by-elections-pa...

http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/p/by-elections.html

jerrym

Here's a clip of the final Calgary Centre debate with Dan Meades challenging Crockatt over her unwillingness to engage the other candidates in debate until she was in electoral trouble.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Calgary/ID/2309081171/

felixr

jerrym wrote:

Here's a clip of the final Calgary Centre debate with Dan Meades challenging Crockatt over her unwillingness to engage the other candidates in debate until she was in electoral trouble.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Calgary/ID/2309081171/

Bravo to Dan Meades, for putting the pressure on Crockatt early and for his winning bison tourtiere!

Ippurigakko

http://www.durhamregion.com/blog/post/1542394--my-prediction-for-the-dur...

This guy predict in Durham by-election tomorrow

NDP 40.3%
CON 38.7%
LIB 12.7%
GRN 7.3%
CHP 0.9%
OPC 0.1%

 

hope????

jerrym

The Canadian Election Atlas now has the demographic and electoral histories for all three byelections in Calgary Centre, Victoria and Durham ridings. 

http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/

janfromthebruce

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David Young

How is the weather today in Eastern Ontario?

Will that be a factor in the turn-out?

 

Ippurigakko

here preliminary results in 3 riding at 10 pm EST live results

http://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts_e.aspx

NorthReport

Any results yet?

Date / Event / Riding / NDP / Cons / Libs / Grns

2011 / GE / Durham / 21% / 55% / 18% / 5%

2012 / BY / Durham / ? / ? / ? / ?   (NDP candidate - Larry O'Connor)

2011 / GE / Calgary - Centre / 15% / 58% / 185 / 12%

2012 / BY / Calgary-Centre /? / ? / ? / ? (NDP Candidate - Dan Meades)

2011 / GE / Victoria / 51% / 24% / 14% / 12%

2012 / BY / Victoria / ? / ? / ? / ? (NDP candidate - Murray Rankin)

 

Ippurigakko

no not yet... 2 hours go......

NorthReport

What time did polls close in Durham?

Some of Durham's results must be available somewhere by now.

 

Calgary-Centre voting closes at 7:30 PM

Ippurigakko

durham 9:30 EST, calgary centre 7:30 MST and victoria 7 pm PST

live results at 10 EST here ontario (8 pm in calgary and 7 pm victoria)

jerrym

The notice is from Elections Canada. They are waiting until polls are closed in all 3 ridings before releasing any results as advertised in the box below). There is also a new notice for a fraudulent calls form in view of the complaints against the Cons from the 2011 election (see below in bold)

Looking for the fraudulent calls form? See ournew integrated complaints form.

 

Election results tonight starting at 20 p.m.

 

http://www.elections.ca/home.aspx

Debater

The conventional wisdom would be to predict that the 3 ridings will all remain held by the same parties (eg. 2 Conservative & 1 NDP).  However, as many people are saying, if the race in Calgary Centre is as close as some of the weekend polls show, the Liberals could have a strong finish there.  If the Liberals finish ahead of the NDP in Calgary Centre and significantly improve on their 2011 result, it may indicate movement back towards the Liberals and away from the NDP.

clockwise

Meanwhile, if the Liberals finish in third place in Victoria and Durham it may indicate that the Liberals are still the least popular major party in Canada.

Debater

All eyes are on Calgary Centre tonight!  That's the bellwether!

felixr

Debater wrote:

All eyes are on Calgary Centre tonight!  That's the bellwether!

It also seems to be the only riding the Liberals think they have a snowball's chance in Hell in.

NorthReport

Thanks.

 

Ippurigakko wrote:

durham 9:30 EST, calgary centre 7:30 MST and victoria 7 pm PST

live results at 10 EST here ontario (8 pm in calgary and 7 pm victoria)

NorthReport

This must be what is being referred to here:

 

 

The Liberal blunder boys strike again

 

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/11/23/the-liberal-blunder-boys-strike-again/

Debater

felixr wrote:

Debater wrote:

All eyes are on Calgary Centre tonight!  That's the bellwether!

It also seems to be the only riding the Liberals think they have a snowball's chance in Hell in.

They don't hold any of these ridings, so why should they be competitive in those others?

Debater

Harvey Locke of the Liberals is narrowly ahead of Joan Crockatt at the moment in Calgary Centre:

Conservatives well ahead of NDP in Durham so far:

http://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts_e.aspx

Debater

From kady o'malley:

Meanwhile, in #yyccentre, the Liberals still have a small lead over the Conservatives - 35 % to 32.4% - with the Greens at 24%,

https://twitter.com/kady

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Gloater, its Arthur, your Frat Boy pal. When are you going to apologize to Jan? Oh, and by the way, what's your real name?

jerrym

   Party                                             Votes   %

Green Party Virginia Ervin                       84  5.0

Liberal Grant Humes                            237  14.2

Christian Heritage Party Andrew Moriarity   14   0.8

0.8%Online Party Michael Nicula                         8   0.5

NDP-New Democratic Party Larry O'Connor 529  31.7

Conservative Erin O'Toole                      7994   7.8 

Total number of valid votes: 1,671  

NorthReport

The Liberal's popular vote is even less in Durham at the moment than they got in 2011.

Debater

Greens are taking nearly 25% of the vote in Calgary Centre!  Would be interesting to know who they are taking the most from.  NDP?  CPC?  LPC?

If Crockatt narrowly wins in the end, will people blame Greens.  But good sign for the Liberals.  NDP is in 4th with single digits.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Gloater, the PCs are ahead in Calgary. Gloater? Gloater? Buhler? Buhler?

NorthReport

I think the riding to watch is Durham

 

The NDP's popular vote is up 10% over 2011 at the moment.

 

And the Liberal's popular vote is even less in Durham at the moment than they got in 2011.

 

Why are the Liberals doing so poorly in Durham, which is in Ontario, probably the bellweather province for these by-elections?

Debater

NorthReport wrote:

The Liberal's popular vote is even less in Durham at the moment than they got in 2011.

Nobody cares!  The story tonight is Calgary Centre! Smile

Debater

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Gloater, the PCs are ahead in Calgary. Gloater? Gloater? Buhler? Buhler?

Could we keep away from the name-calling please?  Thanks.

They're tied right now.

And no one is predicting a Liberal win.  What's significant is how close they are, and it looks like it could be a squeaker for whoever wins tonight.

jerrym

  Candidate             Party             Votes       %

Joan Crockatt      Conservative         718       31.8

Antoni Grochowski Independent          10         0.40.4%

Harvey Locke              Liberal         772        34.2

Dan Meades                   NDP         168          7.4

Tony Prashad          Libertarian          17          0.8

Chris Turner                  Green        572         25.3

35/263Voter turnout: 2,257 of 93,984 registered electors (2.4%)

 

 

Debater

They just said on CBC on Ian Hanomansing's program that the story of the night is how close the results are in Calgary Centre.  This has been a Conservative stronghold for 40 years.

Ippurigakko

friggen Durham still Conservative nearly 50%..... how are they blind?

NorthReport

There is no story in Alberta as the Cons are now pulling away from the pack, and no one expected much for the NDP in Alberta

 

But the big story tonite is why have the Liberals crashed and burned in Ontario?

 

Debater wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

The Liberal's popular vote is even less in Durham at the moment than they got in 2011.

Nobody cares!  The story tonight is Calgary Centre! Smile

felixr

Debater wrote:

felixr wrote:

Debater wrote:

All eyes are on Calgary Centre tonight!  That's the bellwether!

It also seems to be the only riding the Liberals think they have a snowball's chance in Hell in.

They don't hold any of these ridings, so why should they be competitive in those others?

Lol. So any riding the Liberals don't hold, they should not be competitive in? Nice. A true winner's attitude Laughing

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