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robbie_dee
Winnipeg North recount

[url=http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=med&document=may1311&dir=pr... Canada announces judicial recount will be held in Winnipeg North[/url]

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OTTAWA, Friday, May 13, 2011 - The Chief Electoral Officer of Canada, Marc Mayrand, announced today that there will be a judicial recount of the votes in the electoral district of Winnipeg North (Manitoba). Following validation of the results in the electoral district, the difference between the two leading candidates was 45 votes. An elector requested the recount.

The recount will be conducted by a judge of the Court of Queen's Bench of Manitoba and will begin on Monday, May 16, 2011. The results of the recount will be published on the Elections Canada Web site after the recount is completed.

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knownothing knownothing's picture

Go Blaikie!

nicky

What is happening with the other ridings in which rcounts are pending?

Policywonk

Still nothing on the Elections Canada website with regard to results of the other recounts.

Stockholm

My undersytanding was that they were doing the Montmagny etc... recount this week and that it was supposed to wind up today. i don't know if all the recounts happen simultaneously.

bekayne

Stockholm wrote:

My undersytanding was that they were doing the Montmagny etc... recount this week and that it was supposed to wind up today. i don't know if all the recounts happen simultaneously.

Nipissing is starting the same time as Winnipeg North, & Etobicoke Centre starts May 18

edmundoconnor

robbie_dee wrote:

[url=http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=med&document=may1311&dir=pr... Canada announces judicial recount will be held in Winnipeg North[/url]

Arthur, you wouldn't happen to be the author of the complaint, did you?

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

@edmundoconnor:

No, it wasn't me. I actually thought there wouldn't be a recount. That was my opinio. I truly have no idea at all how this has come about.

vermonster

When the final count coming out of election night turned out to be 45 votes, instead of the 117 it had been previously reported, it was somewhat inevitable that there would be a recount (even if is slightly outside of the margin for a mandatory judicial recount). With only 138 rejected ballots, it is unlikely that there will be enough votes to overturn the result, but it isn't surprising that an elector would request a recount and that Elections Canada would grant one.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

I don't expect a different result either. It is a shame, once more Winnipeg North has faux populist Corporatist elected to the House, who belongs to a party that works against the very interests of the very same people who elected this guy.

Its g-d sad!

Krago
JeffWells

Ah, nuts.

 

 

robbie_dee

So what's happening in Nippissing and Etobicoke Centre?

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

You said it Jeff! That Lamoureux is a real wesal. One more electon and he gets a MPs pension to go with his MLA's pension. The guy has never had a real job. Its disgusting.

Stockholm

I think Lamoureux should be the next leader of the Liberal Party. They need to find a new identity and new issues that they can "own". Lamoureux is an ultra-social conservative who opposes a woman'[s right to choose and has ties to the so-called pro-life movement. Since Harper has told the pro-life crowd to get lost - this opens up a fantastic opportunity for the Liberals - they can exploit this vacuum by reinventing themselves (or really going back to their roots) as a party for socially conservative Catholics who have some vague notion of social justice being a good thing.

Go Kevin go!!

SwineFlewBy SwineFlewBy's picture

Stockholm wrote:

I think Lamoureux should be the next leader of the Liberal Party. They need to find a new identity and new issues that they can "own". Lamoureux is an ultra-social conservative who opposes a woman'[s right to choose and has ties to the so-called pro-life movement. Since Harper has told the pro-life crowd to get lost - this opens up a fantastic opportunity for the Liberals - they can exploit this vacuum by reinventing themselves (or really going back to their roots) as a party for socially conservative Catholics who have some vague notion of social justice being a good thing.

Go Kevin go!!

ha!......u funy

if this actually happened we might wanna change that new NDP logo approved by kathleen monk:

to "Crush The ConservaLibs"

but really, i prefer "LibraCons"

SwineFlewBy SwineFlewBy's picture

robbie_dee wrote:

So what's happening in Nippissing and Etobicoke Centre?

Cons retain victory over Libs in Nipissing by 18 votes:

http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=med&document=may1711b&dir=p...

Stockholm

I've noticed in these recounts that typically the vote count doesn't change at all or it might change by a couple of votes out of tens of thousands cast. I think that the only time a recount actually has a chance of overturning anything is if the initial margin is in low single digits.

Pogo Pogo's picture

I think the rural ridings may have more issues, only because there may be fewer scrutineers available.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

You know, this is amazing. I was reading a thread on Lamoureau's recount victory, and listening to the Lib gloating, you'd almost think they won the election. It's amazing. These guys lost, and they think nothing has changed. I read the Taber story. WTF? I have never seen anything like this in my life. This is unbelieveable.

adma

Actually, beyond Lamoureux holding, the most interesting thing about Winnipeg North (and contrary to the by-election result) is that the Cons hit 26%, thus turning it into a technical 3-way marginal.

How on earth did *that* happen?!?

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

You know, I noticed that as well. And what is worse is the Tory candidate took forever to get her campaing underway. My answer is I don't know, but it makes me feel worried about the upcoming provincial election.

This is un-nerving.

genstrike

Arthur Cramer wrote:

You know, I noticed that as well. And what is worse is the Tory candidate took forever to get her campaing underway. My answer is I don't know, but it makes me feel worried about the upcoming provincial election.

This is un-nerving.

The real problem in Manitoba isn't that the Tories might win the next provincial election, the problem is that most of the left and the labour movement has either atrophied, been utterly co-opted, or some mixture of the two under 12 years of NDP governance.  Add to that that there seems to be very little real creative thinking and organizing beyond thinking about the next election, and we're in a situation where we are extremely vulnerable.

vaudree

I think that Lamoureux wants to be the next Liberal leader.  If he doesn't get it, Rebecca will get the riding next time.

About Manitoba, the NDP have been in power a long time.

knownothing knownothing's picture

genstrike wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

You know, I noticed that as well. And what is worse is the Tory candidate took forever to get her campaing underway. My answer is I don't know, but it makes me feel worried about the upcoming provincial election.

This is un-nerving.

The real problem in Manitoba isn't that the Tories might win the next provincial election, the problem is that most of the left and the labour movement has either atrophied, been utterly co-opted, or some mixture of the two under 12 years of NDP governance.  Add to that that there seems to be very little real creative thinking and organizing beyond thinking about the next election, and we're in a situation where we are extremely vulnerable.

Sounds like Manitoba has the same situation as here in Saskatchewan.

SwineFlewBy SwineFlewBy's picture

hey, they don't call it Saskitoba 4 nuthin

 

SwineFlewBy SwineFlewBy's picture

Or maybe that's Saskatoba?

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Lamoureux will never  be Libeal leader. That would be like having the batboy hit cleanup. The guy is a "legend in his own mind".

Lens Solution

I know his last name is French, but is Lamoreux bilingual?  If not, I don't see him becoming leader as all party leaders in Canada today are expected to be bilingual.  This isn't like several decades ago when certain parties could get away with not having a bilingual leader.  Even the Green Party is realizing it needs to have a leader who is bilingual and that Liz May has to work on her French.

SwineFlewBy SwineFlewBy's picture

guess that's y the block got annihilated then

Tongue out

Snert Snert's picture

The NDP won another seat (Montmagny-L'Islet-Kamouraska-Rivière-du-Loup) after a recount. NINE VOTES.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

SO I open the free newspaper, the Winnipeg Metro, and what do I find? Why its Kevin Lamoureux saying he is going to boycott Esso untill gas is a $1.15 a litre here. And great picture, Lamoureux standing there in front of I assume an Esso giving the "thumbs-down: THIS is the consequence of not voting!

If anyone thinks this guy will be Liberal leader, you are totally delusional. If the Libs pick this guy, people won't stop laughing for a 100 years. GO KEVIN, GO!

vaudree

Arthur Cramer - I said that he wants to be.  Liberals don't have much options unless they want a Leader that doesn't sit in Parliament.

 

adma

*Federal* leader?!?  I suppose if he wants to be a populist fringe maverick standard-bearer; but he wouldn't get any higher than that.  OTOH if he's bidding to be *provincial* leader whenever Jon Gerrard goes, it's probably his for the taking...

Debater

Rebecca Blaikie was a disgraceful political opportunist who was trying to use her father's name to get into Parliament.  She had no connection to Winnipeg North and was a total parachute candidate.

robbie_dee

I assume you're not a fan of Justin Trudeau either, Debater?

janfromthebruce

Debater is "entitled" to his opinion for what it's worth - which is about 18% of the popular opinion of Canadians! Kiss

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

@debater:

How about when Lamouruex ran against Pat Martin in WINNIPEG CENTRE? I know from trying to debate with Libs on the Free Press threads that you guys either don't reply, or you tell me "its different".

So, how about it? Or can you dish it out, but not take it?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

SwineFlewBy wrote:

Or maybe that's Saskatoba?

Isn't saskatoba that kind of really thick wheat noodle you put in Japanese broth soups?

A_J

janfromthebruce wrote:

Debater is "entitled" to his opinion for what it's worth - which is about 18% of the popular opinion of Canadians! Kiss

Or 64% of the popular opinion in Winnipeg North Wink

Arthur Cramer wrote:

SO I open the free newspaper, the Winnipeg Metro, and what do I find? Why its Kevin Lamoureux saying he is going to boycott Esso untill gas is a $1.15 a litre here. And great picture, Lamoureux standing there in front of I assume an Esso giving the "thumbs-down: THIS is the consequence of not voting!

I recall Jack Layton also making a big deal about high gas prices throughout the campaign.

 

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

@AJ:

Where was Lamoureux, and for that matter, the Libs during the election on this issue? No where.

My issue with Lamoureux is he is an opportuistic populist. He is a fiscal Conservative, and supports the fiscal and monetrary policies of his party, the same parties that have put us in the mess we are in now. The hypocracy of this guys is astouding. I have met and spoken to this guy about issues in person and I simply do not like him or trust him.

And frankly, once again, Winnipeg North, a working person's riding is being represented by a Corporatist opportunist.

Stockholm

Its funny how "debater" (who now runs away from any actual debate) used to pontificate about how he JUST wanted to beat Harper and that he would support any party that would defeat Harper and since the Liberals were the official opposition with twice as many seats as the NDP - that meant supporting Liberals in most places. NOW, the NDP has 103 seats and the Liberals have a piddling 34 - its ABUNDANTLY CLEAR to any sane, rational, objective observer that if you want to defeat the Tories and prevent another Harper term - the NDP is the ONLY game in town - yet suddenly he decides now is the time to show his true colours and shit on the NDP.

It just goes to show that virtually all of these "strategic voting/we just want to stop Harper" types were always just big "L" Liberals who never gave a damn about beating Harper - they just wanted to trick people into voting Liberal.

As far as i'm concerned those people can all go suck an egg!

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Well debater, I am still waiting for an answer. How about it hot shot?

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Stock, that is what these "strategic voting" sites were always about. Simply front groups for Lib shills. The Libs care about one thing only, making you afraid enough to ONLY vote Liberal. The Libs are SOLEY about power. THAT IS ALL.

Stockholm

I hope those jokers realize that we are in a new political reality and that if you are a Liberal, now might n ot be a good time to be putting out the message that people should not waste their votes on boutique third parties that have no chance of winning!

outwest

Arthur, I'm sorry to dispel your illusions but the 2 strategic voting organizations I have been involved with -- federal and provincial -- are definitely NOT front shill groups for Liberals; they are pragmatic, multi-partisan groups trying to stop the Liberals/Greens/NDPers from splitting the vote in certain ridings. (I don't know how many times those of us working in these groups have to defend this fact!)

If you'd ever spoken at length with those of us who work for strategic voting as a temporary measure until PR is enacted (and then all bets are off), you would realize that our groups include members in equal numbers from BOTH the Liberal and ND parties, as well as a representative number of Greens and independents, etc., and that we are all united in our opposition to right wing policies and legislation. 

 

Lord Palmerston

Certainly some people were involved in it were sincere "unite the left" types (even though I fail to see how John McKay or Dan McTeague could be said to be "progressive), but as Wilf Day has pointed out on babble, [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/project-democracy-skews-projec... Democracy skewed their numbers in the last few days of the campaign[/url]

 

Stockholm

outwest, I'd like to know how you ever came to think that there was even such a thing as a "progessive" vote in Canada that ever went Liberal? How can the Liberals be considered progressive when in each and every election since 2004 - large chunks of their voters keep shifting to the Conservatives??? In fact, if you believe the mythology - the Conservatives won a majority because so many Liberals decided they liked Stephen Harper better than Jack Layton - and its pretty common knowledge that if the Tories had not won a majority - they would not have sweated for a moment because the Liberals would have come to the rescue and given them carte blanche to govern as if they had a majority just as they have done for the past 5 years. How many times does the Liberal party have to keep whacking you over the head with a two by four for you to see the light? They had a chance to get rid of Harper in Jan. 2009 - but no, no, no, they decided it was more important to keep Harper in power than to form a government where the NDP would have 25 percent of the cabinet.

The Conservatives keep winning elections because too many people are voting Conservative. Maybe if these misguided useful idiots from the strategic voting "movement" would put more time into convincing people NOT to vote Conservative and less time with their smoke mirror SV campaigns and that only serve to confuse people and never seem to deprive the Tories of a single seat - we would not have a Conservative government.

One other thing I would LOVE someone in the strategic voting movement to explain to me is why there was no quality control of any kind on who they "endorsed". Supposedly the point of these sites is to avoid splitting the so-called "progressive vote". So in the riding of Bramalea-Gore-Malton, they were telling people to vote for Liberal incumbent Gurbax Malhi. Malhi is a reactionary extreme social conservative in the Liberal caucus with a 100% homophobic voting record who also opposes abortion right. All the SV sites recommended that people vote for this hateful bigot. Well guess what? He came in THIRD and the NDP candidate who is extremely progressive lost narrowly to the Tory by 400 votes.

At the very least, the people behind catch-22 and project democracy owe us all an explanation and an apology for having endorses homophobic anti-choice freaks and having the false impression that these people were progressive.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

@outwest:

I simply do not want to vote Lib, EVER. There is NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between Tory and Lib when you look at which each party does in power. None. History PROVES it!

The best thing a New Dem supporter can do is vote New Dem. As the numbers rise, people become more aware that there is an actual REAL left alternative in Canadian politics, as was the case THIS LAST ELECTION.

I agree with other posters to this thread, if Libs are SERIOUS about voting in a REAL alternative to the Tories, now is the time more then it ever has been to vote NDP. The NDP is now, and HAS ALWAYS BEEN, the only REAL left alternative.

 

 

 

adma

Or, come to think of it--let's all concentrate on reducing the Conservative vote.  Which the Liberals and the NDP can do, from their separate spheres.  (Yes, I'm lenient.  I'd rather allow the Liberals to "prove themselves" than to blithely relegate them to the trash heap.  Though they won't do that w/Debater's sour persimmons, cousin.)

Incidentally, I'm still waiting for that one recount seat remaining: Etobicoke Centre...

Stockholm

I think we should concentrate on reducing the small "c" conservative vote. Since large numbers of Liberal candidates are homophobic and anti-abortion and prefer to prop up Tory governments than ever to cooperate with the NDP - I would like to know by what standard a vote for one for one those many, many, many rightwing Liberals can ever be considered anything other than a CONSERVATIVE vote.

Read the editorial in the Calgary Herald from a week ago. They are telling their rightwing audience that the Liberal Party MUST rise again because god forbid that the federal Tories get unpopular and the NDP comes to power and ACTUALLY starts to change things. According to the Calgary Herald - the oil patch and the business elites NEED the Liberal party to be strong - after all when people get sick of being governed by black cats - we need them to turn to the white cats NEVER to the mice.

If a Liberal Party vote is any way shape or form "progressive" then why is it that in BC federal Liberals and federal Tories have united to prevent any progressive government from being elected? Why is it that in Saskatchewan, federal Liberals merged with federal Tories to create the Sask party to make sure the NDP could be dislodged. Get it through your reads and repeat 100 times "The Liberal Party is not a progresive party and never will be".

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