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Originally posted by It's Me D:
[b]not enough inventive animated films for adults these days IMV.[/b]

Oh please, yes there are. And I have a partial list, too:

[i]Millennium Actress[/i]

[i]Perfect Blue[/i]

[i]Tokyo Godfathers[/i]

[i]Paprika[/i]

[i]Waking Life[/i]

[i]A Scanner Darkly[/i]

Check them out before you come up with the bullshit you just said.

Sky Captain Sky Captain's picture

quote:


Originally posted by It's Me D:
[b]not enough inventive animated films for adults these days IMV.[/b]

Oh please, yes there are. And I have a partial list, too:

[i]Millennium Actress[/i]

[i]Perfect Blue[/i]

[i]Tokyo Godfathers[/i]

[i]Paprika[/i]

[i]Waking Life[/i]

[i]A Scanner Darkly[/i]

Check them out before you come up with the bullshit you just said.

Sky Captain Sky Captain's picture

quote:


Originally posted by It's Me D:
[b]not enough inventive animated films for adults these days IMV.[/b]

Oh please, yes there are. And I have a partial list, too:

[i]Millennium Actress[/i]

[i]Perfect Blue[/i]

[i]Tokyo Godfathers[/i]

[i]Paprika[/i]

[i]Waking Life[/i]

[i]A Scanner Darkly[/i]

Check them out before you come up with the bullshit you just said.

Briguy

I watched [b]Religulous[/b] on the weekend. I liked the theme, but not the delivery. Maher's targets were all imbeciles, which made one feel kinda sorry for their ignorance, not angry about it. I came away thinking "those poor, poor, deluded, defective Religionists" rather than being all fired up, and wanting to take the world back from religious madness.

Briguy

I watched [b]Religulous[/b] on the weekend. I liked the theme, but not the delivery. Maher's targets were all imbeciles, which made one feel kinda sorry for their ignorance, not angry about it. I came away thinking "those poor, poor, deluded, defective Religionists" rather than being all fired up, and wanting to take the world back from religious madness.

Briguy

I watched [b]Religulous[/b] on the weekend. I liked the theme, but not the delivery. Maher's targets were all imbeciles, which made one feel kinda sorry for their ignorance, not angry about it. I came away thinking "those poor, poor, deluded, defective Religionists" rather than being all fired up, and wanting to take the world back from religious madness.

al-Qa'bong

I just started reading [i]American Fascists[/i], Chris Hedges' book on the religious right, and now want to hide under the bed.

al-Qa'bong

I just started reading [i]American Fascists[/i], Chris Hedges' book on the religious right, and now want to hide under the bed.

al-Qa'bong

I just started reading [i]American Fascists[/i], Chris Hedges' book on the religious right, and now want to hide under the bed.

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Just watched [i]August Rush (2007).[/i] Good movie, fabulous music.

Tommy_Paine

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Originally posted by Stargazer:
[b]I own Spartacus.[/b]

Hmm. Stargazer is much more Patrician than I would have thought...

All these chanels I get, someone's always doing a Kubric festival. I was watching Thparticuth the other day and wondering what the musical score might have been if Kubric had more autonomy-- and casting, too. Douglas was a favorite of Kubric's, but I'm sure Tony Curtis was not his choice.

A interesting film by Kubric that doesn't get as much attention is "Paths of Glory." When "Full Metal Jacket" was first released, and I saw it at the theatre, I wasn't impressed. But years later, after watching it a few times, it has grown on me.

Tell me, Boom Boom, do you consider the eating of oysters to be moral and the eating of snails to be immoral?

Watched "Doomsday" with Malcolm MacDowel the other day. There were so many things wrong with this movie, I cannot, and will not begin. Many thumbs down.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

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Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
Tell me, Boom Boom, do you consider the eating of oysters to be moral and the eating of snails to be immoral?

Not sure what this has to do with a movie thread, but I don' eat either of those. I stay away from shellfish in general, although I make an exception for locally harvested Snow Crab, which are incredibly delicious either by themselves, or added to sandwiches and salads.

I'm watching a documentary on Luciano Pavarotti - great stuff, even if I don't understand Italian.

Tommy_Paine

Thought I'd have fun. It's dialogue from Spartacus, between Crassus (Larry Olivier) and his body slave (Tony Curtis). It wasn't really about oysters and snails and the scene was cut from the original release.

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Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Ah, I see. I cn't remember anything from Spartacus, it's been ages since I've seen it.

The Who on in 15 minutes! Won't be fooled again. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

TVParkdale

There's another version of Spartacus but I haven't been able to get a copy that's supposed to be excellent.

Trying to remember which country put it out as a miniseries?

Oh yeah and Fav movie of all time? The 9th Configuration. If you haven't seen it, try it. It's for people with oddball tastes [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by Lard Tunderin' Jeezus:
[b]Watched 'Drunken Master', a 1978 Jackie Chan flick with the kids tonite. They've been getting into martial arts movies like The Forbidden Kingdom and (my favorite) Kung Fu Hustle.

Much better than them watching me scream and curse and pull my hair out watching the election.[/b]


LOVED the Drunken Master series!

Try getting "Confessions of a Chinese Courtesan" for Shaw camp at it's finest and for serious fans try, "Harikiri" and "Sword of Doom".

Tommy_Paine

I'm waiting for a movie version of "Romance of the Three Kingdoms". Seems to me, with all the interest in China, and Chinese cinema being rather excellent, someone would make this film.

vaudree

I want to see Stop-Loss

Just got Fight Club at the clearance bin at Superstore last Tuesday when I was picking up the Hulk.

Forbidden Kingdom is out but have to wait until Christmas to see it.

Lots of teen boy movies out this season:

Nov 4 Get Smart
Nov 9 Kung Fu Panda
Nov 11 Hellboy II
Nov 18 Wall-E
Nov 25 Hancock
Dec 2 Narnia 2
Dec 9 Dark Knight
Dec 16 Mummy 3

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
[b]I'm waiting for a movie version of "Romance of the Three Kingdoms". Seems to me, with all the interest in China, and Chinese cinema being rather excellent, someone would make this film.[/b]

That is a book?

3 line synopsis pls?

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by vaudree:
[b]I want to see Stop-Loss

Just got Fight Club at the clearance bin at Superstore last Tuesday when I was picking up the Hulk.

Forbidden Kingdom is out but have to wait until Christmas to see it.

Lots of teen boy movies out this season:

Nov 4 Get Smart--timewaster
Nov 9 Kung Fu Panda--cute but no cigar
Nov 11 Hellboy II--passable
Nov 18 Wall-E--unknown
Nov 25 Hancock--unknown
Dec 2 Narnia 2--passable
Dec 9 Dark Knight--definitely worth the watch 2x
Dec 16 Mummy 3--blech[/b]


Fight Club is worth spending some time watching a few times to catch all the undertones.

[ 25 October 2008: Message edited by: TVParkdale ]

jas

Yes, I prided myself on being able to capture the frame in each of the instances that Pitt's character appears for a split-second before he enters the plot. I guess I had more time than was healthy for me that week [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

That makes for a good Babble MOVIES TRIVIA QUESTION, though: without looking it up online (although you can watch the movie), in how many scenes, and which ones, does Tyler Durden appear as a split-second hallucination to the narrator before they actually meet?

I will share the pics here if I can, and if it doesn't violate any copyright.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Just watched [i]How She Move[/i] (2008). Incredible dancing to great rap. I'd love to see this stuff live.

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by jas:
[b]Yes, I prided myself on being able to capture the frame in each of the instances that Pitt's character appears for a split-second before he enters the plot. I guess I had more time than was healthy for me that week [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

That makes for a good Babble MOVIES TRIVIA QUESTION, though: without looking it up online (although you can watch the movie), in how many scenes, and which ones, does Tyler Durden appear as a split-second hallucination to the narrator before they actually meet?

I will share the pics here if I can, and if it doesn't violate any copyright.[/b]


It's "fair use" if you add commentary or are using it for critiquing purposes.

[img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

And I think the answer is 6?

TVParkdale
jas

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Originally posted by TVParkdale:
[b]
... And I think the answer is 6?[/b]

Can you name which scenes? [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img] If it's 6 then I definitely didn't catch them all. I don't think it's 6.

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by jas:
[b]

Can you name which scenes? [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img] If it's 6 then I definitely didn't catch them all. I don't think it's 6.[/b]


Look HERE:

[url=http://irwingd.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/hidden-scenes-from-fight-club-ac... Club--Hidden scenes[/url]

This guy found 5.

jas

I said, no looking online! So not only do you not win the prize, but you've ruined my trivia quiz.

Anyway, I missed the one in the copy room. The fifth instance occurred at the end of the film, so is technically not part of my question, and there's no proof that it is, or is intended to be, any character in the film.

It's Me D

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Oh please, yes there are. And I have a partial list, too:

Millennium Actress

Perfect Blue

Tokyo Godfathers

Paprika

Waking Life

A Scanner Darkly

Check them out before you come up with the bullshit you just said.


Thanks for the personal attack random noob; I have seen all these pictures and they are an example of just how scarce good animate fare aimed at adults has become (which is not to suggest they are bad films). Of six films you've listed four are Japanese and the other two are from the same director; so that shows what exactly: its hard to find more than one director working in adult animation in all of North America?

The Japanese have great animated films for adults, many cultures outside North America still do (such as Persepolis which was discussed earlier); the fact remains that we North Americans have slid backwards with respect to producing animation for adults and it is something to be upset about. Looking back a couple decades the scene was more promising, particularly the works of Ralph Bakshi which were for the most part excellent and always groundbreaking.

But hey, why do I bother responding, if you think that North America is currently producing great animated films for adults then enjoy; just layoff with the personal attacks against someone who obviously cares for the medium and the genre a great deal more than you do.

Stargazer

Perfect Blue wasn't bad. I really like anime, with my favourite genre being romance anime. The love triangles rock. IMO the best anime in this genre is Peach Girl.

[url=http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7271659798438112644&ei=GJUHSYftLo... Girl - Espisode 1[/url]

Papal Bull

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Originally posted by TVParkdale:
[b]

3 line synopsis pls?[/b]


The average plot synopsis for Romance of the Three Kingdoms is longer than War & Peace [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

I just watched "I Am Legend", I was impressed, to say the least, given that I didn't have high hopes for the film.

I'm going to watch Ghost World tonight, which is something I have been meaning to see for a while.

Being a movie clerk is sweet!

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by Papal Bull:
[b]

The average plot synopsis for Romance of the Three Kingdoms is longer than War & Peace [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

I just watched "I Am Legend", I was impressed, to say the least, given that I didn't have high hopes for the film.

I'm going to watch Ghost World tonight, which is something I have been meaning to see for a while.

Being a movie clerk is sweet![/b]


I actually liked the original "Omega Man" better. Personal taste, I guess.

Other dystopian movies I liked were the original Rollerball, Dark City and of course Bladerunner.

Tommy_Paine

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The average plot synopsis for Romance of the Three Kingdoms is longer than War & Peace

Yeah. And I wouldn't try to do a screen play that attempted to cover the whole epic. It would be like trying to condence "Lord of the Rings" into a 90 minute movie. Still, there are many stories within the big story that could be done justice in movie format.

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
[b]

Yeah. And I wouldn't try to do a screen play that attempted to cover the whole epic. It would be like trying to condence "Lord of the Rings" into a 90 minute movie. Still, there are many stories within the big story that could be done justice in movie format.[/b]


Wouldn't it make a better mini-series then?

LOTR Synopsis:

Cute hobbit saves mankind by going on perilous journey with loyal friends to drop an evil entity's ring into a pool of fire. [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]

Tommy_Paine

HBO's mini series "Rome" seemed to do well. But here, I would have started the story much earlier, perhaps where Colleen McCullough did, with the arrival of Gius Marius into Roman politics. An even more interesting time than Julius Ceasar's.

A series would be cost prohibitive, with today's fractured T.V. audience. Even HBO was very tentative with it's "Rome" series-- waiting to see if season 1 got the ratings to justify season 2.

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
[b]HBO's mini series "Rome" seemed to do well. But here, I would have started the story much earlier, perhaps where Colleen McCullough did, with the arrival of Gius Marius into Roman politics. An even more interesting time than Julius Ceasar's.

A series would be cost prohibitive, with today's fractured T.V. audience. Even HBO was very tentative with it's "Rome" series-- waiting to see if season 1 got the ratings to justify season 2.[/b]


Would 8-20 hours cover it? That's a fair sized chunk for a good story.

Rome was excellent [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img] I also liked Dune/Children of Dune, The Tin Man, The Lost Room and 'way back--The Strauss Family. What about Shogun sized?

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

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Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
[b]HBO's mini series "Rome" seemed to do well. But here, I would have started the story much earlier, perhaps where Colleen McCullough did, with the arrival of Gius Marius into Roman politics. An even more interesting time than Julius Ceasar's.

A series would be cost prohibitive, with today's fractured T.V. audience. Even HBO was very tentative with it's "Rome" series-- waiting to see if season 1 got the ratings to justify season 2.[/b]


I believe there were also international co-production partners, which raised the budget considerably and helped to justify the investment in the second season.

It was very good, but I didn't like how they ended things with Vorenus, purely on a narrative level.

It's Me D

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I actually liked the original "Omega Man" better. Personal taste, I guess.

Actually Omega Man was itself a remake, the original would be "The Last Man on Earth" with Vincent Price [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img] I like all the versions, I am glad the latest returned to the original book title though [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

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I also liked Dune/Children of Dune

You liked the mini-series and the movie? Thats a rarity; I have met a few who like the mini-series (bleh [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img] ) but generally those who do HATE Lynch's movie. Lynch's movie of Dune is awesome [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

Tommy_Paine

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Originally posted by Timebandit:
[b]

I believe there were also international co-production partners, which raised the budget considerably and helped to justify the investment in the second season.

It was very good, but I didn't like how they ended things with Vorenus, purely on a narrative level.[/b]


There are also problems keeping an ensamble together. I think a lot of those who appeared on "Rome" were and wanted to be doing other things.

Vorenus had to die. I knew he was going to die right from the first episode, without knowing the plot details. Vorenus was the old, moral and traditional Roman. Pullo, the new and pragmatic Roman. The relationship between Vorenus and Pullo aptly mirrored the political upheaval.

If you didn't like it, blame Cato and his political cronies. Everything was their fault.
[img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by It's Me D:
[b]

You liked the mini-series and the movie? Thats a rarity; I have met a few who like the mini-series (bleh [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img] ) but generally those who do HATE Lynch's movie. Lynch's movie of Dune is awesome [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]


Opposite actually. I can live with the movie if I ignore the actual storyline of Dune.

Loved the miniseries though. The hats were annoying. Costuming in Lynch was better. Wish Duke Atredies [actor?] could improve, he's over the top one minute and deadpan the next [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
[b]

There are also problems keeping an ensamble together. I think a lot of those who appeared on "Rome" were and wanted to be doing other things.

Vorenus had to die. I knew he was going to die right from the first episode, without knowing the plot details. Vorenus was the old, moral and traditional Roman. Pullo, the new and pragmatic Roman. The relationship between Vorenus and Pullo aptly mirrored the political upheaval.

If you didn't like it, blame Cato and his political cronies. Everything was their fault.
[img]wink.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]


I agree with you there was no "out" for Vorenus.

I liked your analysis but I'd say Vorenus didn't survive for other reasons...

Like Marc Antony they "suffered the same sickness" meeting anything that challenged their egos with violence and rage. They both *enjoyed* violence and disruption.

Vorenus, was emotionally fragile as was Marc Antony.

Pullo, on the other hand let his heart, lead him. Emotionally, he had inner strength to survive prison, torture and complicated life circumstances plus the same experiences that broke Vorenus.

Pullo learned to *use* violence, not be driven by it. So, he survived...

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by vaudree:
[b]I want to see Stop-Loss

[/b]


You can find it here:

[url=http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzI4NzM5OTY=.html]Stop Loss CD 1[/url]

[url=http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzI4NzQwNDQ=.html]STop Loss CD 2[/url]

Papal Bull

I just rewatched "Moscow Does Not Believe In Tears". It is pretty good. I'm sure that there is a lot of criticism one can toss on it, particularly at the end. However, doesn't change the fact it is has a very well composed story. Plus, it has the actor from The Cranes Are Flying!

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

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Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
[b]

There are also problems keeping an ensamble together. I think a lot of those who appeared on "Rome" were and wanted to be doing other things.

Vorenus had to die. I knew he was going to die right from the first episode, without knowing the plot details. Vorenus was the old, moral and traditional Roman. Pullo, the new and pragmatic Roman. The relationship between Vorenus and Pullo aptly mirrored the political upheaval.

If you didn't like it, blame Cato and his political cronies. Everything was their fault.
[img]wink.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]


It was the ambiguity, actually, that bothered me most. If that had been narratively clear it would have been a pisser anyway but we don't know that he died -- not in the way that we know all other characters who met their end in the series did.

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by Timebandit:
[b]

It was the ambiguity, actually, that bothered me most. If that had been narratively clear it would have been a pisser anyway but we don't know that he died -- not in the way that we know all other characters who met their end in the series did.[/b]


Ambiguity? How ambiguous is septicemia and dying in the arms of his daughter?

Did I miss something?

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Saw [i]Passchendaele[/i] last night. The technical departments richly deserve to win any awards they are nominated for. I realize they were working with a much larger budget than most Canadian feature films, but even allowing for that advantage their work was fantastic. The cast were also excellent, in [i]isolation[/i] the acting in each scene was first rate. I would, though, only give the movie a moderate recommendation. Gross over-reached himself... the writing and editing were extremely uneven and the direction (in places) was clearly more suitable for the stage than the screen. The script and final cut should have been subjected to a ruthless editing process by someone other than the writer/director (Gross). The first half hour of the film raised my expectations and the remaining 90 minutes trashed them. It was not quite the total vanity project that, say, [i]Dances With Wolves[/i] turned out to be, but it still disappointed me that Gross failed to subject the film to the kind of editing he needed.

Sky Captain Sky Captain's picture

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Originally posted by Papal Bull:
[b]I'm going to watch Ghost World tonight, which is something I have been meaning to see for a while.[/b]

Skip [i]Ghost World[/i]: it's masturbation on a mental level, about two shiftless losers who need a life, and who I secretly wish could get drafted and be sent to Iraq/Afghanistan. I know it sound dumb, but I'd rather hang out with the characters from the [i]High School Musical[/i] movies instead, or the kids from [i]Dazed & Confused[/i].

Papal Bull

It was actually quite good. They are shiftless losers that need to get a life. And that is the crux of the movie, one of them does, and one of them doesn't. It primarily focuses on the friction between the two friends as they diverge after high school. You never really feel "bad" for either of the characters or the choices that they make, because the movie highlights the desolate wasteland of plenty that they live in - sub-urban California.

The score to the film is really well placed, the characters become increasingly developed, and it is based on an awesome comic book.

And High School Musical? Really?

Now, onto the Ninth Configuration. I picked it up because the DVD cover has an astronaut on the moon with a crucified Jesus in front of him casting a shadow. It looked really cool.

TVParkdale

Papal Bull wrote:

Now, onto the Ninth Configuration. I picked it up because the DVD cover has an astronaut on the moon with a crucified Jesus in front of him casting a shadow. It looked really cool.

 

The fight scene in that is actually used in some film schools to show how tension can be built as well as the very realistic bar fight. [no nansy pansy fancified bullcrap karate moves]

Anytime I want a laugh I just run the scene with the crazy vet flying around with a jetpack while the one guy is dressed as a nurse chasing after him with a stretcher as the theatre director is trying to train dogs to recite Shakespeare while the painter is zooming up and down on the scaffold complaining about his brushes. 

Keach is freakin' brilliant. He really did almost blow out his eyeballs when his blood pressure skyrocketed in his rage scenes. That look is REAL. 

Let me know how you like it... 

Sky Captain Sky Captain's picture

Papal Bull wrote:
It was actually quite good. They are shiftless losers that need to get a life. And that is the crux of the movie, one of them does, and one of them doesn't. It primarily focuses on the friction between the two friends as they diverge after high school. You never really feel "bad" for either of the characters or the choices that they make, because the movie highlights the desolate wasteland of plenty that they live in - sub-urban California.

Oh, so it's the enviroment's fault that they are slackers? California is the problem? Please. They are slackers because their white skin makes it possible for them to be so, among other factors related to both of them. The sad thing is, while they can coast around being idiots (Enid mostly) other young people, and young people of colour will have to think hard about their futures, most of which will probably involve the millitary that these two could also join, but won't because of the above-mentioned factors. Like Charles Rangel said and wante to put into law, and Jack Clark himself also said on a podcast of his Blast The Right show [url=">http://www.therationalradical.com/2002/10/i-was-thinking-best-long-term-...'A Draft Without Deferments for a War Without End. All Americans Should Share the Burden Equally'[/url] a no defferment draft would be the best thing for these two-it isn't as if they can do anything anyway.

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The score to the film is really well placed, the characters become increasingly developed, and it is based on an awesome comic book.

It's based on an overrated piece of shit comic book from a mediocre writer.  Robert Cormier, S.E. Hinton, Norma Klein, and others are masters of the genre, and have written better novels on teen life and better characters than anything Daniel Clowes can come up with. The score is the only thing good about this movie.

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And High School Musical? Really?

Hey, its a musical in the classical American tradition about high school! The characters may be unrealistic to you, but at least they have a zest for life, and a dedication to achieving something and being somebody than a stupid bitch like Enid Coleslaw who's life is one long snark. For that matter, the characters from Superbad are better than the characters from Ghost World. 

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Now, onto the Ninth Configuration. I picked it up because the DVD cover has an astronaut on the moon with a crucified Jesus in front of him casting a shadow. It looked really cool.

Maybe I'll check that one out.

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Although I have seen it before, I could not pass up seeing "August Rush" again, tonight, played through my powerful stereo and tower speakers. It's magnificient - the music is great!

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