The campaign against Meghan Murphy

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Timebandit Timebandit's picture

It’s not an either/or. False binary. 

We also have little influence over what people do in other countries, so I’m not sure just how we’d apply spending on that particular issue. 

Not to mention that the practice has seen a steady reduction over the last couple of decades. 

Bacchus

Misfit you stated it as a universal truth and it is not. Proof was in the link provided

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The problem is how do y0u tell Chinese women or women anywhere in the world that they cannot access abortions because you don't like the reason they want one.  I struggle with this one because the same tests are being used to "weed" out things like Downs Syndrome in our society.

voice of the damned

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The problem is how do y0u tell Chinese women or women anywhere in the world that they cannot access abortions because you don't like the reason they want one.  I struggle with this one because the same tests are being used to "weed" out things like Downs Syndrome in our society.

You can't tell them. If you accept(as I do) that a woman has the right to an abortion without having to justify her decision to anyone else, that includes women who are making the choice for reasons that we might not agree with, or even go against the idea of sexual equality. 

Now, as a thought-experiment, I have considered the scenario of a drug whose only known purpose is to guarantee that a woman has a male baby. If such a drug existed, I would want it to be legal(for the reasons outlined in the above paragraph), but there is no way I would want it covered by any government-supported pharamacare program. A woman can finance that particular choice with her own money, as far as I am concerned.

But with a surgical abortion, there is no way of knowing the reasons that someone is undergoing it, unless you ask her, and she can of course just say something else(plus, you've got the contra-scenario of someone with a vendetta against a woman calling up the hosptial and falsely claiming that she's having the abortion because the fetus is female). So I don't think there's any way of defunding sex-selective abortions, while still maintaining fidelity to the principle of bodily autonomy.  

 

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Exactly, krop and vod. It’s a woman’s right to choose, regardless whether you approve of her reasons or not. 

quizzical

is it a choice though?

back to men taking over women  spaces like just happened in 'the wing,,' when are women going to take freemasons to court?

voice of the damned

quizzical wrote:

is it a choice though?

It might not always be the most freely made choice, in the wider sense of the word "free", but again, there's no real way of knowing that when booking the procedure.

Yes, some women might have abortions because their husband is pressuring them in order to avoid a female child. And some women might have abortions because their boyfriend is pressuring them in order to avoid child support. But how are you going to regulate that? Have a panel investigate to determine if there are some bad characters in the woman's life pressuring her to have an abortion, before allowing the procedure to go ahead?   

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Quizzical, if a woman decides to terminate a pregnancy that puts her at risk, either physically or economically, we have no right to interfere with that decision. Whether the cause of those risks are family or marital relationships or just circumstances doesn’t change the fact that she is at risk. There are some situations where leaving is more dangerous than staying. That’s not to say that every sex selection decision is made by coercion, either. If we support women ‘s right to choose, her reasons are her own business anyway.

Sex selection is better approached through education and promoting opportunities and emancipation for women, not removing their right to bodily autonomy. 

lagatta4

Probably the best remedy would once again promoting women's role, as well as equal educational opportunities for girls and women. If I recall, women actually tended to support elderly parents and other relatives more than men did, and this was played up in some cases.

And I would certainly never lecture potential parents facing Downs or other grave conditions interrupting the pregnancy. Or going on with it.

quizzical

i agree with education being key to personal choice.

 

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counter  event was cancelled due to complaints about who was asked to speak?

Indigenous feminist called the white male privilege at play with trans activists. 

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