Defense of the Nordic Model for dealing with Prostitution (and the right to defend it)

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Struggling

There you go. Banning such advertizing might turn out to be pointless. Had they chosen to regulate such advertizing instead, then they could have simply required advertizers to devote equal space on the same page for educational purposes (social services, mental health, etc.).

Struggling

Also, while I agree with the hefty fines on clients in principle, not as punishment but rather to help them out of the trade, I do have an issue with imprisonment. Fines go to government coffers. Imprisonment takes from government coffers.

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The Scottish study that Quizzical linked to appears, imo, to show that the success or failure of any model of prostitution depends on sufficient social services being available to help those who want to exit the sex trade, rather than on the legal status of prostitution. Which leads me to believe that the results of the Conservatives prostitution law will be much worse than in Sweeden, because sufficient resources are not being made available to help women get out of prostitution.

Struggling

Money is needed for such services. Tax increases are one source of funding. I would also support fines on those who purchase such services (with the fine doubling for each repeat offence), not as a punitive measure but rather as an aid to kick their addiction, compulsive behaviour, or whatever other mental health challenge they may be facing. Eliminating the tax exempt status for sex addiction therapy could be another source of funding. I am sure most sex addicts who are consumers of sexual services would be more than willing to pay the taxes to access the help they need, the only real problem there being to educate them on the existence and benefit of such services. The money the government gains from eliminating its tax exempt status could go towards providing free therapy for sex workers and potential sex workers.

There could be other sources of funding too, but that could be a start.

susan davis

you assume all sex buyers are addicts, you assume all sex workers wish to exit.....all of your ideas are around these 2 ideas....what about consenting adults? too bad for us? 

this is the problem, we are always seen as the reasonable casualty in the fihgt for anyone else's rights....and i mean anyone.

your depression and addiction are not caused by sex workers, stop blaming us and trying to find ways to punish us for your issues.

we need to advertise, we need to be safe, we are canadian and deserve the same rights as everyone.

Struggling

Sorry you misunderstood. No I do not blame my problems on you nor do I assume all sex workers are addicts or want out nor suggest you should not be allowed to advertise, only that that advertising ought to be better regulated to ensure that if is accompanied with more educational advertising too. This would not affect consenting adults nor the industry at all. It would merely ensure that those who do need help would be aware of their options. The rest would simply ignore the alternative ads. How else do we ensure that those who do need help are aware of their options if it is not adequately advertized precisely where they are looking? We cannot expect them to be psychic.

susan davis

bullshit, it affects our ability to accurately describe our services. my ads are now completely censored.....where i say i don't do "greek"....anal sex.....there are a bunch of stars...so now i must contend with requests for things i do not do....taking up time, confusing cosnumers and placing me at risk....

i do not offer that service but cannot commincate that in my ad....so for clients who do not ask questions, they may expect things i don't do...because i cannot advertise openly...when they arrive and don't know what i will or will not do and expect the services they saw in their dreams and i don't provide it...and they have paid me money....for what they are unclear ...and discover that they will not be receiving greek...for example....what do you think will happen...? after preforming "some services"...should i refund the money? even though i have worked?....but won't provide things that are beyond my boundaries?...can you imagine the violence that will come from our lack of ability to advertise?...to openly define our terms of employment? ...how would it affect your work?

how is that stopping the slaughter of sex workers..." do you understand whats at stake...?

its not

 

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Struggling

I do not know where you advertise but where I looked such comments were clear by fooling the sensors (e.g. alternative spellings, etc.)

That said, I totally agree that you should not need to do that. Here we would have a case where the regulation of the advertising of sexual services could also regulate the right of advertisers to sensor, which could be to your advantage and the client's. That too would make it more informative. Essentially by requiring alternative advertising on the top of a page (sex assault helplines, mental health services, government or employment assistance websites, sex education websites, etc.) there would therefore be LESS need to sensor the bottom half of the page. Most people know how to scroll down.

Struggling

Another way of looking at it is that if the purpose of regulation in this case would be strictly educational, then that would require restricting sensorship to only things like minors and sex trafficking. Such regulation could therefore restrict the freedom of advertisers to sensor beyond the criminal.

Add to that that if let's say a potential client decides to click on a link at the top of the page directing to sexual education and reads some of the risks of greek, bbbj, bbsf, (usually advertized as 'no restrictions' or even 'few restrictions') etc., then when he goes back to the page and scrolls down to look for an escort, he might become less likely to look for those offering such services and instead look for those that refuse such services. That would be to the client's advantage and yours. It would also encourage those escorts who do lose clients because of this to rethink their offering of such services too. Of course they'd be free to advertise such services if they want to, just that then clients are more aware of the risks they are actually taking with such escorts.

Of course there is also a possibility that some potential clients have their minds changed altogether about seeking an escort and decide instead to seek out one of the other services at the top of the page, whether marriage counselling or mental health services or mutual support groups etc that they might not have considered before, or just simply lose interest in seeking an escort altogether. But then again, who would want such a potential client participating in that industry anyway? Rather than sensorship, such regulation would instead promote greater accessibility to sex, mental health, employment, and other education. I can't immagine anyone being against improving the educational content of advertizing, especially when we consider the STD, mental, health, relationship, and other social risks involved. Yes it is true that many are already informed and want in the industry. They would just ignore the ads and just scroll down. Like I said, most people know how to scroll down.

But for the rest who are not aware of their options for getting out of the industry, why hold them back to access to the appropriate educational information?

susan davis

where i am i saying hold people back? did you even read the OHS material? 

i am done talking to you about it. read the forums or don't.

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