Feminist viewpoints on prostitution and sex work Volume 3

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susan davis

i see you edited out the link to people trying to kill me, also, i like how you try to own our supporters. many people DO support the safe work site but that does not make it an olympic brothel.

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susan davis wrote:
i see you edited out the link to people trying to kill me, also, . many people DO support the safe work site but that does not make it an olympic brothel.

noted above that I did so,  sincerely sorry about that, did not read that far into it. Make sure I will next time....

You keep going on about this "olympic brothel" as if  such a title, or lack thereof, somehow makes a difference in things...it doesn't make a darn but of difference

Fact:  you wanted a co-op brothel started in time for the Olympics...and stated such, to many people. That it would also extend after, makes no difference  to things, its primary focus in 2007 was for it to be operational in time for the Olympics.

susan davis

what the hell do you know about our plans, what work is being done and where we are with it?do you honestly tink i am going to ever share any of our plans here again?the personal attacks and phone calls etc. to people with whom we partner and our supporters does not make this a safe place to share what we are doing no to move forward. with no funding, an anti olympic brothel campaign and the economic downturn. do you seriously think we are going get any funding...?any where....?even for exiting ideas....? no ...becuase the government, like you could give 2 shits what happens to us.

you are question my motives and desire, wow nice low blow to a person working her ass of for freeto try to reachthese goals in the face of overwhelming misrepresentation of our plans and our intentions.

you have alot of nerve lady to question my commitment, what have you done......?oh yeah........nothing

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Co-op's are like credit unions, they depend upon funding from the membership....until profits start, hence my suggestion that people look up what they are...

... what I gathered from that aspect, long ago now it seems,  you only were allowed  incorporation as a legal community association...not as a "brothel",  and are now seeking to remove/obscure the "brothel" component in order to try and access funding....even though you have had almost 2 years to undertake membership drives to fund your own legal activities...

Now...I am not dissing you on this, as at least you, as you say, have a plan...but I guess I am questioning motive and real desire...because there has been no action for 2 years, other than volunteer lobbying for  a "experimental brothel" before the olympics started. As such, all your volunteer co-opertive actions have been geared towards lobbying and not towards said legal business org model.

susan davis

and once again, it is NOT a fact that we wanted olympic brothels, read the damn reports. we wanted to creat alternative income sourcesfor workers, period for the games. you keep beating that dead horse though.

why don't you go hang out with your buddies on with leather?.you provide no proof and still assert these misrepresentations. i find it completely tasteless and rude for you to continue to declare my so called dishonest intentions. i don't know where you grew up but let me tell you.......

rework

Read this over three times.

Could not find the word Olympic.

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susan davis wrote:
what the hell do you know about our plans, what work is being done and where we are with it?do you honestly tink i am going to ever share any of our plans here again?the personal attacks and phone calls etc. to people with whom we partner and our supporters does not make this a safe place to share what we are doing no to move forward. with no funding, an anti olympic brothel campaign and the economic downturn. do you seriously think we are going get any funding...?any where....?even for exiting ideas....? no ...becuase the government, like you could give 2 shits what happens to us.

you are question my motives and desire, wow nice low blow to a person working her ass of for freeto try to reachthese goals in the face of overwhelming misrepresentation of our plans and our intentions.

you have alot of nerve lady to question my commitment, what have you done......?oh yeah........nothing

 

This is really uncalled for susan..

I know nothing about phone calls  to yourself and others, and attacks upon you, and as such I take your statenments as accusations  against me,  as you are infering that such was  me, and that is slander...

My last comment because this is beyond belief now;

You have detailed your plans here at length, an indeed on your website..hopefully most of us know where you are at with this, as I thought that was the point.

 

 

susan davis

no mention of our website...is that not some work? no mention of any of the committee work i do or the trade secrets project...i mean what do you think we are...?some big organization with 100 people working on things.....?

membership drive......?you honestly think impoverished sex workers on the street are going to make up a million dollars in membership dues....?

the entire point was to create an accessible safe work environment for street level sex workers. membership fees were kept low $20, we are talking about poor people.we have never waivered from our desire to work on the brothel. it just seemed to me that exiting was a more attainable goal and so we decided as a group that those aspects would be our first priority.

it was never an olympic brothel and has nothing to do with te games. it has to do with stabilizing the safety of sex workers on the street right now. how do you create safe work space without profiting from room rentals....?the members own the business, a cooperative.

conflating our plans with the olympic games has only served to draw awareness to the abolition position and completely distort the true nature of these plans.

respectfully, you have no idea what you are talking about.

susan davis

i never accused you personally of anything remind, nice try though.

it certainly was the point. i came into babble with an open mind. hoping to discuss plans and hear about plans on the abolitionist side. look at the reception i got. i will continue to contest blanket assumtions and try to combat thhe misrepresentations of what we do. i have to say though, after all that has happen here, i am no longer comfortable sharing the details of how we will reach our goals.

i had hoped to be able to appeal to people for advice and put our plans and ideas out for all to see... but instead i have been called every name under the sun, belittled, baited, insulted, called "racial biased", misrepresented and bullied.

i do appreciate the support of members here who have expressed such but its been emotional......

Bacchus

Ignore the bullies and stay the course Susan

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

This is difficult to watch.  (Figuratively)

 

This stuck out to me:

 

Quote:
So far, some of the strongest opposition has come from escort agencies threatened by the prospect of organized competition, Davis said. Politicians and local businesses have largely been supportive. Davis said the sex workers' group aims to have the co-op brothel and museum fully operating in time for the influx of tourists expected during the Olympics.

 

How do these men have influence?

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There should be no sex work, poverty, domestic violence, etc...But we should try to protect those in danger right now...And normally we're in agreement here?  Really seems deja-vu-ish.

JMartin

Stargazer,

I wanted to go back to a question that was asked about what abolitionists are doing right now to improve the safety of women who are currently on the streets. 

Many of the abolitionist women I come across are working in women's shelters, or are personally mentoring and financially supporting women who are exiting or are currently selling survival sex. 

I do clothing drives and put together care packages that I hand out personally to the women on the DTES when I can, but am looking for ways to become more involved with front-line work on a consistent basis. I would welcome suggestions. 

Stargazer

Thanks Jmartin, I think that's good work.

 

Remind, you do not own the voices of FN women and what I find offensive is that you think we all think alike. I also find it offensive that you essentially called susan racist (and got away with it)

 

Michelle, something is seriously wrong in these threads. You know what I mean and I wonder why susan is getting slapped down and not anyone else.

Slumberjack

I guess it's the difference between fine tooth combing, and the brush off.  Depends on what is expected as standard fare, and what isn't.

susan davis

RevolutionPlease wrote:

It was from this link:

 

http://www.womensenews.org/story/the-world/071011/sex-workers-plan-broth...

it is once again a mistake by the reporter to conflate that the cafe/museum exhibit and brothel are the same thing. many people find our plans difficult to understnad, not sure why.....but it happened over and over, i guess i just need to focus the message more, it's hard though as we are trying to adress so many issues.

anyway, i have always been trying to open the restaurant/cafe in time for the olympics, but big surprise, no funding.

yes, there is a threat from business owners or organized crime. i have been updating some factions as a way to protect myself and increase understnading of those people about the intentions of our actions.

my former madame, i was almost killed working for this woman......, is a horrible person, she held my friend prisoner and forced her to work, she fined us into debt servitude and continues to bully us in anyway possible ever since.

she is extremely threatened, and has threatened us, me in prticular, on many levels.do you think there is a mechanism to complain....?nope she is still in business. and it's the sex industry's fault exploitation exists right? how bout total complcency and complete and utter failre on ther part of th police and systems intended to protect us.

in argentina one of the sex worker union orgaizers was killed, assasinated.

so yes, i would say i am at risk. if you would like to read more about working conditions indoors, dveloping capacity for change- www.wccsip.ca under resources- goes into great detail about problems facing workers indoors.

Maysie Maysie's picture

I'm closing this for length, and haven't had time to read it all. If some mod or other reads it, please re-open to comment where necessary. My head hurts and I have to lie down.

Michelle

I would also suggest that we give this thread a rest.  At this point, it's mostly just bickering between two posters with occasional interjections from others, and flagged posts. 

So unless people really want to start fresh with a new thread and not just continue quoting posts from this one and sniping at each other about them, please don't bother continuing this one just for the sake of continuing it.

Thanks.

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