Should shared parenting be forced? Feminist critique of private bill C-422

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Loretta

My understanding is that they levy a fee on the payor, but I can't remember for sure and I couldn't find it on their website. I do get what the guidelines state I should get (that is, based on income from 4 years ago) without any loss to FMEP. I think it especially pisses my ex off that I signed him up for it two years ago when he started messing about big-time with our son's living arrangements and with the support. 

remind remind's picture

Yep, the fee payment comes from the payer, instead of the children getting it, as fees for the payer are based upon affordable income, thus the children get that much less awarded from the affordable income decision. It is a slight of hand that most do not realize.

G. Muffin

remind wrote:
Yep, the fee payment comes from the payer, instead of the children getting it, as fees for the payer are based upon affordable income, thus the children get that much less awarded from the affordable income decision. It is a slight of hand that most do not realize.

I don't understand how this can be.  If the Child Support Guidelines (based on earned income) say the payor owes $800 a month, then that is the amount that gets registered with FMEP.  If FMEP levies some sort of charge upon the payor, that's not going to affect the child support order.  On their website, the only reference I could see to any such charge is a $400 penalty which gets incurred when a payor is late or misses a payment twice.  That penalty doesn't go to the custodial parent but it's separate and above the child support amount. 

remind remind's picture

There is a monthly levy fee, that is calculated based on income, just as the child support is.

For example, my daughter who is not a daughter, now gets 469.00 per month instead of the 500.00 she was awarded by the courts initially, because the income of the father would not sustain the levy fee, now that she is going through FMEP.

The penalty payments are on top of the fee and have no bearing upon child support payments.

But at least if the penalty is not paid, nor the child support, said father loses his driver's license, if there are no wages showing that can be taken.

 

 

Loretta

Back to the original topic, there is no law that can be created that would provide for an absentee parent to be present for his or her children...it is a fallacy that it would lead to more fathers being involved positively in the lives of their children. All it will end up doing is giving controlling fathers more tools to use against their former partner, who is, in most cases, doing most of the work of raising the children.

I have seen the situation reversed, unfortunately, but in all of the families that I know that have experienced separation or divorce (I know, it's anecdotal evidence), I know only one where that is the case and father's rights groups manipulate the story to make it sound as though this is the norm when families separate. Fortunately, the man that I know who is being emotionally abused and manipulated by his ex doesn't see his situation as systemic but rather a result of this woman's individual personality.

72days4thechildren

This is a response to "martin dufresne".

My name is Dave Nash. I am the founder of Cross Canada Run For The Children, the organization that you, in your previous postings, have falsely reffered to as "a new manipulative PR gimmick from the Fathers lobby." For your information, I am not a member of any Father's Rights Group. Truth be told, I do not believe in Father's Rights. Nor do I believe in Mother's Rights. What I do believe in, is Children's Rights, Parental Rights, and Human Rights. The reason for my posting today, is to offer you the opportunity to write up an Intelligent Rebuttal as to why YOU believe that Children do not deserve the Right to an Equal Relationship with both their Mother and their Father after a Divorce or Seperation. If you would like to take me up on my offer, you can email me your Rebuttal Letter at crosscanadarunforthechildren@yahoo.ca , and I will gladly post it on my website for all of Canada to see. I look forward to hearing your response. Thank You

Dave Nash

www.crosscanadarun4thechildren.com

  

Bacchus

Dave,

Martin will be unable to respond here as he has been banned for abusive behavior but hopefully he will see your post and respond directly to you.

It is pointless to point to him further at this site

Jabberwock

I thought we were "off" banning?

 

Caissa

Nah, it's back by popular demand. Wink

72days4thechildren

It does not suprise me that SHE was banned. When you have a hate filled heart, "abusive" comments will spew out of a person. If any one knows HER, please let HER know about my invitation. Thanks.

Dave Nash

Matt 15:18 - But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart...

Bacchus

Her? I thought martin was known by others to be male

Michelle

Okay, Dave, I think you've overstayed your welcome at this point.  Sorry, but anyone who throws around female pronouns as if they were insults doesn't really belong on babble, and certainly not in our feminism forum.

Furthermore, it is not okay to call babblers or former babblers "abusive" or "hate-filled".  That's an unfair way to characterize what happened with Martin here, and an unfair way to characterize Martin himself.  If you're interested in why Martin is no longer on babble, you can read this thread instead of speculating and psychologizing.

Bacchus

Amazing how quickly his tone deteriorated. The OP was very calm.

Dave Nash

My apologies Michelle, but i figured that because we are on a "feminism forum' that martin was a woman. Once again, my apologies. I was in no way, shape or form "throwing around female pronouns as if they were insults."

Furthermore, I qouted the word "abusive" because that is the word that was used by Bacchus in exlaining why martin was banned from the site. I used the words "Hate Filled" to describe martin because that is how martin's previous posts about my Cross Canada Run come across. Take a close look at martin's words for yourself: "A Father running, how ironic of this lobby's priorities," and "appropriating the meaning of Parental Alienation as something men would be victims of instead of usually perps." These are the words of someone who is filled with hate for a particular segment of our society, the male segment, in particular, Fathers. I make no apologies for pointing this out about martin.

Baccus, my tone did not deteriorate at all. I was simply pointing out the truth about martin. The truth is, martin could be a woman. Do any of you know him / her personally??? Online, anyone can write anything under any username and never be held accountable for doing so. How many of you actually use your real names??? How many of you post your email addresses for everyone to see??? I noticed Michelle that you don't. What about you Bacchus??? I notice that you don't publicly display it either. Neither did martin.

I just think that if you are going to publicly make the Pro Feminist, Anti-Male, Anti-Children comments that many of you on here have been making, then maybe you should stop hidding behind cute usernames and publicly state who you are, and post your email addresses, so that people who do not share your one-sided opinions can respond to them in an intelligent manner, and hopefully, help you see the bigger picture, which is, Children Do Matter and Children Do Deserve The RIGHT To Have An Equal Relationship With Both Their Mother and Their Father After A Divorce or Separation. Thank You for your time.

 

Dave Nash      www.crosscanadarun4thechildren.com  -  crosscanadarunforthechildren@yahoo.ca         

Bacchus

Um except Martin didn't use 'cute usernames'; he used his own name and while I didn't know him personally, ithers did and vouched for his existence. I didn't like him, but he didn't hide at all

Dave Nash

I couldn't find an email address for matin. ???

remind remind's picture

Excuse me Dave, Martin uses his real name and is a real person....not pretending to be whatever....

 

and you were throwing female pronouns around and indeed you even carried it to the point of stating that martin was misrepresenting who he is...

 

Do you believe that all  men hate women so they would not speak out for our plight as martin has and does continually or something?

 

And it really is a piss off bacchus that you stated what you stated about martin, you know the unspoken rules here, how about I start levelling shit at you?

 

You want drag all this out again, let's go for it.....because it did not go down the way you stated it, and indeed there is much more that can be exposed  about that too and what DID NOT happen after all, how about we go into that too, seeing as how you decided to be toxic bacchus....

 

Frankly this really ticks me off....and that Dave is still here does so even more....

Dave Nash

Truthfully then Baccus, you don't know if martin is a man or a woman. You are going on heresay, on what others say, on what Michelle would say is "speculation." 

Dave Nash

Remind, is "remind" your real name?

Bacchus

Remind fuck off! You are NOT a moderator, Michelle is. And if she complains about any of my statements then I'll take my lumps and apologize. But you can just fuck off

remind remind's picture

apparently you cannot conceive of the fact the women have actual male allies, Dave....

 

Again and for the last time Martin uses his real name....

 

 

 

 

Bacchus

Google his name Dave and you will find him. He is NOT hiding

remind remind's picture

Typical toxic shit bacchus.....thanks......and you have the nerve to call martin abusive....

Dave Nash

Good. I am glad to hear that he does. He doesn't do what many of you on here do. Still no email address can be found for him though.

Remind, if that is you real name, please remember, I am not pro-male, nor am I pro-female. I am not pro-Father, nor am I pro-mother. I am an advocate for Children's Rights. Maybe you cannot conceive of the fact that Children actually have people who love them enough to stand up for their rights. Remind, would you run across Canada for Children's Rights, or Mother's Rights??? Are you Pro-Children, or Pro-Feminist??? Think about that. The answer to that question may answer the question at the top of this forum, and that is, "Should Shared Parenting Be Forced?" Maybe if more Women were Pro-Children's Rights, then it wouldn't have to be forced.

Dave Nash

Bacchus, I googled the name "martin dufresne" and found many results, but I am unsure on who to approach with my offer. There are many people with that name.

Bacchus

Abusive Remind? You are the abusive one, following and harassing people. Insults lies and passive aggressive behavior to provoke others.  As long as everyone believes in the rights of women and thir ability to do as they please, they do not have to follow anyones narrow view of themselves.

 

 

Bacchus

He's in Quebec as far as I know Martin. He does not hide and if you google him with Quebec feminist organizations you should find him. He is involved in several rights organizations

Dave Nash

Thanks Bacchus. I will do that. It is greatly appreciated.

Dave Nash

"He is involved in several rights organizations." - Bacchus

I bet it would be safe to say that none of those organizations have anything to do with Children's Rights?

Bacchus

He''ll tear you to shreds verbally. He knows his shit and can cite some good reports

Dave Nash

Are you saying that he will be able to intelligently state why he doesn't think that Children Deserve The Right To An Equal Relationship with both parents??? Bacchus, come on, I doubt any intelligent, un-biased person would be able to do so. He may be able to state why he doesn't think Fathers are deserving, but Children??? Do you really think that any un-biased person will buy into his bullshit???  

Dave Nash

Do you really think that he will be able to intelligently rebute Professor Edward Kruk's Research?

Bacchus

Quite frankly, yes. Im not saying hes right or wrong but he can argue effectively, intelligent and quote revelant research.

Dave Nash

Then I look forward to hearing from him on the matter of Children Rights. I am sure Mr. Kruk would like to write a rebuttal to martin's rebuttal as well. If I receive one from martin, I will forward it to Professor Kruk and ask him to respond to it. This should be interesting.

G. Muffin

I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Bacchus on this one, Dave.  I can't say I entirely understand why Martin doesn't post here anymore and when he did post here we disagreed on this issue but there's no question that Martin makes a cogent and compelling argument.  Good luck.

Dave Nash

I doubt that his argument will actually have anything to do with children's rights. Think about it, he will have to argue against the United Nations Convention On The Rights Of The Child if it does. His argument will more than likely be about womens rights. He is a Pro-Feminist Right??? Does he have any Children himself???  

Dave Nash

Why is it that nobody on here uses their real name??? What is everyone afraid of??? Do the people on here not want their friends to know how they truly are??? 

G. Muffin

Dave Nash wrote:
I doubt that his argument will actually have anything to do with children's rights.

Actually his POV on this issue is entirely centred on children's rights.

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Think about it, he will have to argue against the United Nations Convention On The Rights Of The Child if it does. His argument will more than likely be about womens rights. He is a Pro-Feminist Right??? Does he have any Children himself??? 

So why don't you contact him and see instead of speculating here?  Although, I should warn you, if somebody contacted me with the kind of attitude you're displaying here, they'd be met with radio silence.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Dave Nash wrote:

Why is it that nobody on here uses their real name??? What is everyone afraid of??? Do the people on here not want their friends to know how they truly are??? 

 

 

'Cause we're not all self-aggrandizing narcissists.

Dave Nash

WOW!!!

G. Muffin

Dave Nash wrote:
Why is it that nobody on here uses their real name??? What is everyone afraid of??? Do the people on here not want their friends to know how they truly are??? 

Because I'm a serious activist and babble is a pleasant social activity for me.  When my name comes up on Google, I don't necessarily want the world to read my musings on other matters.  And, also, were I to get in a disagreement with someone such as yourself I would not want to be personally contacted by you.  Any more questions???  (By the way, nothing says calm and intelligent like over-punctuating.  Remember to use bold and italics too.  Then people will really know you know your stuff.)

Bacchus

Tongue out

jas

Michelle wrote:

If you're interested in why Martin is no longer on babble, you can read this thread instead of speculating and psychologizing.

Ah, I wondered. I missed that particular kerfuffle. I have missed Martin. Maybe he went a bit over the top on this one, but I haven't found this to be characteristic of his posts here. He does push the envelope on feminist issues in a way that many here don't, and I appreciate that. 

oldgoat

Dave you're a troll and you've long outstayed your welcome.  Remind and bacchus, you are feeding both the troll and each other to the detriment of all.

 

May as well close this for general deterioration.

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