After Osama BIn Laden's Death III

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Fidel

We've got a live one. Check under your bed just in case, people. You never know. lol!

 

Fidel

Yep, DNA testing musta bin done at Burger King drive-thru, or something...

Molecular Biologist for 9/11 Truth wrote:
"I know DNA. And, one thing I know about DNA is that you cannot, repeat CANNOT: take a tissue sample from a shot-in-the-noggin-dead-guy in a north central Pakistan special forces op, extract the DNA, prepare the DNA for assay, test the DNA, curate the raw DNA sequence data, assemble the reads or QC the genotype, compare the tested DNA to a reference, and make a positive identity determination.... all in 12 hours- let alone transport the tissue samples all the places they'd need to have gone in order to get this done.

Some might try to argue that ruggedized, field ready kits could test a DNA sample- which is true if one is attempting to determine the CLASS of a bacteria. It is not true if one is trying to determine the specific identity of an individual. Any way you slice it, the real work would require days, and I find it unlikely (although not impossible) that an aircraft carrier would have a laboratory outfitted for this kind of work... it is not the Starship Enterprise out there."

Starship Enterprise needed for DNA confirmation of Elvis bin Laden in lickity-split time.

thorin_bane

knownothing wrote:

Who else thinks the US had these videos all along?

They have been in the can in case of emergency hit the glass. In other news the US is sinking into the abyss and Obama is being blamed. No connection there.

knownothing knownothing's picture

So this is all a distraction from the debt ceiling problem?

 

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

As for him being unarmed and shot on the spot I really don't care; you'd think getting shot by a Special Forces unit kind 'a goes with the job of being a terrorist master mind/commander. That and considering all the shit he talked about jihad, martyrdom and fighting America the fact that he didn't have a weapon on him even when it took to SEALs 10 or 15 minutes to get to him kind 'a makes him look like a bit of a dumbass if you really think about it.

This attitude is typical of the U.S. gloat-fest now in progress. It's apparently quite acceptable to have one's military forces assassinating unarmed terror suspects, and it's their own stupid fault for not trying to shoot back.

The rule of law is completely out the window; the armed forces are judge, jury, and executioner. Everyone they kill deserves to die. No arrest, no charge, no evidence, no trial necessary.

If the government names someone as a terrorist, that's good enough reason to kill them. How exactly is this different from Nazi Germany?

Kai Wright wrote:

The gap between rhetoric and reality has long been a defining trait of American life. Lies about our values have shielded us from the brutal facts of our nation ever since we built it on the back of genocide and slavery. But it is in times like these that the dissonance becomes unbearable.

The president says we can do anything we want because we can kill. We could not stop poverty rates from spiraling upward to a record-setting 14.3 percent of Americans in 2009, but we can kill so we are exceptional. One in four black and Latino families live below the poverty line now, and as a result America’s child poverty rate—one in five kids—is the second worst among rich nations, behind Mexico. But we can kill, so we are great.

Fourteen million Americans are out of work, nearly a third of them for more than a year. The Depression-like jobs crises in black neighborhoods around the country have become so acceptable as to be literally unremarkable in national news media. When overall joblessness inched downward in March, the fact that black unemployment increased, again, was greeted with callous shrugs from the White House to CNN. But America is exceptional because we can kill.

Our economy is defined by greed. The top 1 percent of earners take home a quarter of income in this country. Wall Street banks are logging record profits while the Treasury Department professes helplessness at the fact that tens of millions of people are still losing their homes to those banks. Because of that foreclosure crisis, the stunning racial wealth gap—the typical black family has a dime for a dollar of wealth held by its white counterpart—will surely grow worse. The White House is paralyzed with inaction in the face of all of these challenges. But it can kill, so we are great.

We have the world’s most expensive health care system, and yet in 2009 infant mortality in the U.S. was higher than in 29 other countries and the worst among rich nations. Why? In large part because the infant mortality rate is so high among black and Latina women. We cannot find justice for them, but we can kill and call it justice.

We have a $14 trillion deficit. A massive giveaway to defense contractors lurks inside that number—a transfer of public funds that has been justified, in ways both explicit and implicit, by the evil visage of Osama Bin Laden. And now, Washington is as likely as not to make up the loss by taking apart the safety net that once created something like economic justice in America. But the president would like us to agree that we are great because we can kill.

[url=http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/02-11]Source[/url]

Fidel

I think some people are just born without a skeptical gene or something...

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

M. Spector wrote:

This attitude is typical of the U.S. gloat-fest now in progress.

I can understand you're bitterness but you're confusing unsympathetic indifference with gloating...

 

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Fidel wrote:

Mind us, the information was all bogus anyway, and he admitted to leading them on wild goose chases, but KSM did admit that he lied his head off in telling them what they wanted to hear in order order that they stop torturing him.

Actually the official story (or one of the official stories, at any rate) is that under torture KSM gave up the name of the "courier" that the U.S. death squads followed around for five years until he led them to bin Laden.

Thus the assassination of bin Laden is used as a [url=http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/05/02/report_harsh_interroga... for the entire program of torture carried out over the last decade[/url]. [Caution: that last link is to a revolting right-wing website]

Fidel

Bec-De.Corbin wrote:
As for him being unarmed and shot on the spot I really don't care; you'd think getting shot by a Special Forces unit kind 'a goes with the job of being a terrorist master mind/commander.

What about torturing information from bin Laden? Would he not have bin the absolute best source of intelligence on Qaeda terrorism ever? Maybe even a little kangaroo trial in the World Court to bolster a US-led phony globo war on terror? It would have been a news media extravaganza, and reporters quoting the king of terror's defence statements. He might even have talked about orchestrating 9/11 from the confines of his concrete bunker complex in the mountains of Tora Bora! Talk about golden opportunity!

I mean, sure they tortured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed for five years before finally extracting a confession from him. But in the end he did confess! Mind us, the information was all bogus anyway, and he admitted to leading them on wild goose chases, but KSM did admit that he lied his head off in telling them what they wanted to hear in order that they stopped torturing him. Five year's worth of torture? I think I'd have cracked in the first five minutes. KSM must have received some kind of special forces army training in preparation for terrorist duty in Afghanistan, or something, to have endured torture for that long, by gum!

I'll bet the US Military simply decided that torture would not work on OBL either. Afterall, they trained him in the black arts of terrorism, guerilla warfare and torture, too. He'd likely have known all their tricks anyway.

I think that's why they killed Elvis bin Laden instead of capturing him alive. He wouldn't have been a good source of intelligence on gladio terrorism anyway. His former employers knew just about everything he did and prolly more. A lot more.

Fidel

Sure, they managed to extract all kinds of confessions from KSM including Qaeda plans to blow up the [url=http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/Terrorist-s-threat-stirs-up-old..."Plaza Bank"[/url] in Warshington State, a bank which wasn't founded until three years after KSM's capture. 

Khalid Sheik Mohammed wrote:
"During the harshest period of my interrogation," he said,

I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop.... I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent...wasted a lot of their time and led to several false red-alerts being placed in the US."

And the Homeland Stupidity Bureaucracy loves to issue a decent terrorism alert warning every now and then whenever politically expedient. The American inquisition extracted confessions from every second person they snatched off the streets of Kabul, Baghdad, Rabat, Algiers etc. And they all "spilled the beans" if only to stop the torture.

Even the person who fingered KSM as the "9/11 mastermind", [url=http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/04/justin-vogt-zubay... Zubaydah[/url], is not mentally stable. So for a number of reasons we should really be using the term "alleged 9/11 mastermind" when referring to KSM.

Inquisitions and torture are never designed to discover truth. Military inquisitions are antithetical to truth and democracy

NDPP

Osama Bin Laden Episode And Pakistan's Dispirited Mercenary Army   -  by Abdus Sather Ghazali

http://countercurrents.org/ghazali070511.htm

"The real question before us is : what agenda or agendas is the 'death of bin Laden' designed to further?"

More Government Lies and Deceptions  -  by Timothy V Gatto

http://countercurrents.org/gatto070511.htm

"The events that have occurred this last week have been beyond anything I have ever witnessed. This President must really be either incredulously stupid or he just doesn't care.."

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NDPP

Counterpunch Diary: A Volcano of Lies  -  by Alexander Cockburn

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn05062011.html

"Barack Obama, who pledged to restore ethical honor to the White House after the Bush years, is now burying himself under an active volcano of lies, mostly but not exclusively concerning the assassination of Osama bin Laden.."

and let us not forget our own good -doggie politicians who also responded 'favourably' to the Emperor's version of things..

NDPP

The Fog of War, Murder of OBL and the Inevitable War Against Pakistan  -  by Irfan Salah Butt

http://www.cageprisoners.com/our-work/opinion-editorial/item/1529-the-fo...

"The events of 2nd May 2011 perfectly fit Obama's policy of bringing OBL to 'justice' and widening the War on Terror itno Pakistan, as people who understand the mechanics of Us foreign policy should be fully aware. You can fool most of the American people most of the time but you cannot fool the rest of the world all the time..."

NDPP

"Osama Was Never Here": Abbottabad Residents (and vid)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28054.htm#idc-cover

Unionist

Finally - a credible conspiracy theory:

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-... bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan[/url]

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The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.

Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.

It must have taken Pakistan all 10 years to work up the indignation at this breach of its sovereignty!!

 

al-Qa'bong

This seems to be a widely-held view.

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Bin Laden had apparently been in a safe house near the Pakistan military academy for six years. Nobody believes this could have happened without the knowledge of senior intelligence officials. A meeting with one such person in 2006, which I recounted in my last book on Pakistan, confirmed that Bin Laden was in the country and being kept safe. The person concerned told me the Americans only wanted Bin Laden dead, but that it was in Pakistan's interest to keep him alive. In his words: "Why kill the goose that lays the golden eggs?" – a reference to the billions in aid and weaponry being supplied to the army. At the time I wasn't sure whether my informant was fantasising to amuse or misinform me; he was obviously telling the truth.

Tariq Ali

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al-Qa'bong wrote:

This seems to be a widely-held view.

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Bin Laden had apparently been in a safe house near the Pakistan military academy for six years. Nobody believes this could have happened without the knowledge of senior intelligence officials. A meeting with one such person in 2006, which I recounted in my last book on Pakistan, confirmed that Bin Laden was in the country and being kept safe. The person concerned told me the Americans only wanted Bin Laden dead, but that it was in Pakistan's interest to keep him alive. In his words: "Why kill the goose that lays the golden eggs?" – a reference to the billions in aid and weaponry being supplied to the army. At the time I wasn't sure whether my informant was fantasising to amuse or misinform me; he was obviously telling the truth.

Tariq Ali

Nice view, but no proof just speculation

al-Qa'bong

What do you mean, "no proof?"  The USA does give Pakistan millions of dollars in military aid.

jas

With this story, I couldn't decide between hilarity or nausea.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/fyi/the-man-who-shot-osama-1214...

Giving us a "portrait" of a fictional character.

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He's out there somewhere, an instant icon in the annals of American conflict, the ultimate big-game hunter. But an enigma, too, his identity cloaked for now, and maybe forever.

He is the unknown shooter. The nameless, faceless triggerman who put a bullet in the head of the world's most notorious terrorist.

Yet there are clues...

He's likely between the ages of 26 and 33, says Marcinko, founder of the elite SEALs Team 6 -- now known as DEVGRU -- that many believe led the assault on bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. He'll be old enough to have had time to hurdle the extra training tests required to join the elite counterterrorism unit, yet young enough to withstand the body-punishing rigours of the job. The shooter's a man, it's safe to say, because there are no women in the SEALs. And there's a good chance he's white, though the SEALs have stepped up efforts to increase the number of minorities in their ranks, Marcinko and Smith say. A "positive thinker" who "gets in trouble when he's not challenged," Marcinko suspects, a man who "flunked vacation and flunked relaxing."

He was probably a high school or college athlete, Smith says, a physical specimen who combines strength, speed and agility. "They call themselves 'tactical athletes,' "says Smith, who works with many prospective SEALs in his Heroes of Tomorrow training program in Severna Park, Md. "It's getting very scientific."

Marcinko puts it in more conventional terms: "He'll be ripped," says the author of the bestselling autobiography Rogue Warrior. "He's got a lot of upper-body strength. Long arms. Thin waist. Flat tummy."

....

The shooter's probably not the crew-cut, neatly shaven ideal we've come to expect from American fighting forces.

"He's bearded, rough-looking, like a street urchin," Marcinko supposes. ...

His hands will be calloused, Smith says, or just plain "gnarled," as Marcinko puts it. And "he's got frag in him somewhere," Marcinko says, .....

He sounds dreamy...yet dangerous. A hero for everyman: part outlaw, part patriot... A gruff, but romantic figure for the annals of Americana....

So we're now fully and unapologetically in the realm of blatant fiction --- and few seem bothered by this. No, I guess we won't ever know his real identity, for the primary reason that he doesn't exist.

I recall that the 9/11 Commission Report was praised for its literary performance as well.

knownothing knownothing's picture

I mean no proof that Osama was there in Pakistan compound yet

Fidel

knownothing wrote:

I mean no proof that Osama was there in Pakistan compound yet

 

That's true I think. But if you read Tariq Ali's comments, it's pretty bizarre jts. The ISI has basically been an extension of the CIA since at least General Zia ul Haq and just about every military dictatorship since then. Pakistan's elites run the army and army intel over there. And their elites have common cause with US and western world elites. The bottom line for all of them is, money is loyal to no country. Treachery.

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Bin Laden compound turned into a video game.

 

It's all about making money for corporate America. And Bin Laden dead, or announced as dead, is more valuable than alive.

That's capitalism for ya.

Fidel

The authenticity of this interview, which is available in recognized electronic news archives, is confirmed.

Osama bin Laden categorically denies his involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

Bin Laden's statements in this interview are markedly different from those made in the alleged Osama video tapes

Usamah on 9/28/01 wrote:
Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed.

According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the US government has stated. But the Bush administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive...

Usamah accused U.S. groups of perpetrating false flag terror on 9/11. He was probably murdered not long after as per Benazir Bhutto's statement to David Frost and implicating Omar Saeed Sheikh as Usamah's murderer. Omar Saeed is an MI6 and ISI agent according to Pakistan's previous US-backed dictator Pervez Musharraf.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Fidel wrote:

The authenticity of this interview, which is available in recognized electronic news archives, is confirmed.

This "interview" has been floating around the web for some time now, but I have yet to find a non-conspiracy-theorist source for it.

Excerpts from it have also been described as a "letter to the Pakistani people" in a [url=http://general.mtstars.com/271043.html]purported official CIA transcript[/url]. Which was it? A letter or an interview? Has anyone seen an actual image of the CIA document?

Who exactly was it that "confirmed" the authenticity of this interview/letter?

Fidel

M. Spector wrote:

Fidel wrote:

The authenticity of this interview, which is available in recognized electronic news archives, is confirmed.

This "interview" has been floating around the web for some time now, but I have yet to find a non-conspiracy-theorist source for it.

Excerpts from it have also been described as a "letter to the Pakistani people" in a [url=http://general.mtstars.com/271043.html]purported official CIA transcript[/url]. Which was it? A letter or an interview? Has anyone seen an actual image of the CIA document?

Who exactly was it that "confirmed" the authenticity of this interview/letter?

 

Apparently The BBC has copyright to the translation from Urdu of a statement Usamah allegedly made to or was published by The Daily Ummat, a newspaper in Karachi.

American Pendulum states that the first US internet publication of Usamah's 9/11 denial was published [url=http://www.americanpendulum.com/2011/05/flashback-osama-bin-laden%E2%80%...

So we have the first alleged statement of Usamah being one of denial and basically restating what hundreds of millions of Muslims already know, which is that murder of innocent people is forbidden by Islam.

Then everything after that from "Usamah" was bizarre. Usamah apparently made a series of faked videotapes and photos of himself looking younger and healthier than before and confessions to everything 9/11 guilt to declaring holy old jihad against the USA resulting in soaring stocks for the military industry and oil.

The FBI never stated that Usamah was wanted for 9/11 only terror attacks on US Military and embassy targets. They still have no proof that bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11.

I really don't think the Pentagon or CIA had any evidence implicating Usamah in 9/11 terror. And apparently now the one and only window of golden opportunity for the US Military or US Govt. to prove otherwise was dumped in the ocean. Darn!  

But this missed opportunity, and by wild coincidence, just so happens to be consistent with the Pentagon's unconditional refusal to provide real evidence they claim to possess to the 9/11 Commission cover-up proving beyond a doubt bin Laden's and Qaeda's guilt for 9/11. It should also be noted that several hand-picked bipartisan 9/11 Commissioners themselves have stated there was a cover-up. And so I think you would find it difficult to find a non-conspiracy oriented source in US Government itself to provide you with any proof whatsoever of Sloboddam Milosovein bin Laden's hand in perpetrating 9/11. Sometimes you simply have no other recourse but to think you've been lied to. Constantly. There is no stable reference point that begins with non-conspiracy in this case.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Thanks, Fidel.

There are two separate things here. First, the [url=http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/]September 17, 2001 report from CNN[/url] quoting from an Al Jazeera item in which bin Laden clearly denies having anything to do with 9/11. Assuming the communication to Al Jazeera was genuinely from bin Laden, this CNN report is credible, because a) CNN would have no interest in publishing a falsehood that absolves bin Laden of responsibility, and b) CNN has not withdrawn, qualified, corrected, or amended the report in the intervening years. Whether bin Laden was telling the truth to Al Jazeera is another question altogether.

Second, there is the later purported interview in the Pakistani Urdu-language newspaper Ummat published on September 28, 2001. If it was ever published in English by the BBC, it is no longer on the BBC website.

It seems to me that the skepticism that is applied to the authenticity of bin Laden videotapes ought to be applied equally to written statements and reports - or even more so, since written reports and documents are much easier to fake than videos. I don't trust what I read in the National Post; why would I trust Ummat more?

I don't know what to believe. I am troubled by the lack of primary source evidence and the anonymity of the journalists involved in the CNN and Ummat reports. Quite apart from the authenticity of the statements, they are self-serving and exculpatory, and worthy of skepticism as to their credibility on that account alone.

NDPP

Native American Women Slice Hoopla Over Bin Laden

http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2011/05/native-american-women-slice-hoopla...

"...on the US/ Mexico border, Uya O'odhan, responding to the sheeplike trance of Americans induced by the media spin and cheerleading of the assassinations and the ongoing wars:

'Indigenous peoples remember that Bin Laden stood up against the United States corporate machine to defend his ancestral homelands and way of life. He is a traditional person much like our ancestors that took up arms to defend our people and homelands. Prayers and blessings to Osama bin Laden's extended family and homelands..'

Fidel

Trust no one. That's my motto as well. 

Someone said recently that OBL could even have been captured alive and is being tortured for information before his execution. Who knows? We can be somewhat sure that: 1. he was dead, 2. is recently dead, or 3. is soon to be dead. No trial at the Hague or World Court Sobodan Milosevic style for certain. They almost botched that one when Milosevic was said to be winning his trial and then died suddenly.

It could be that ALL of the alleged bin Laden communiques are false. Or perhaps the US Military and CIA have been telling the truth all along, which I think is highly unlikely and especially without full disclosure to the public. I don't think we'll ever know for sure and not without a real commitment to government transparency and accountability to the public. A long period of glasnost is in order if they want to come clean. I guess they feel they have to speak to the public the odd time about covert operations, and this is one of those few times. Whether the donkey or elephant party wins the next election will mean nothing to this or very many issues. Central Asia and bin Laden is a bipartisan covert affair since the late 1970s. One accuses the other and vice versa, and it's all at arm's length from cosmetic government for the purpose of plausible deniability as usual.

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NDPP

'My Father's Death Was Criminal And I May Sue The US'..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1385714/Osama-Bin-Ladens-son-Oma...

"...Omar who is Bin Laden's fourth eldest son, claimed he and the other AQ chief's other children are reserving the right to take legal action in the US and internationally, to 'determine the true fate of our vanished father..'

The letter on the Islamist website purporting to be from Omar said, in part:

'We hold the American President Barack Obama legally responsible to clarify the fate of our father, Osama Bin Laden, for it is unacceptable, humanely and religiously, to dispose of a person with such importance and status among his people, by throwing his body into the sea in that way, which demeans and humilitates his family and his supporters, and which challenges religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims.."

al-Qa'bong

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Osama bin Laden was suspected ordering of one of the most horrific crimes of the decade. He might have been taken alive. Yet Obama's commandos killed him. A big part of the puzzle—the key to the truth, who might have led us to other people responsible for 9/11—is gone.

Barack Obama is our Jack Ruby.

Liberals would be appalled if this had happened four years ago. They would have protested Bush's violations of international law and basic human rights. They would have complained about killing the Al Qaeda leader before questioning him about possible terrorist plots. They would have demanded investigations.

What if the US Were a Nation of Laws?

Fidel

Cont'd from the Common Dreams article above"

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The United States' 900-pound gorilla act might go over better if we weren't a nation that constantly prattles on and on about how civilized we are, how important it is that everyone follow the rules. For example:

"We're a nation of laws!" Obama recently exclaimed. "We don't let individuals make their own decisions about how the laws operate."

He wasn't talking about himself. This was about PFC Bradley Manning, the soldier accused of supplying the big Defense Department data dump to WikiLeaks. Manning has been subjected to torture including sleep deprivation and forced nudity-treatment ordered by Obama.

Truth is, the Constitution, our treaty obligations and our stacks of legal codes are worthless paper. We're not a nation of laws. We're a nation of gun-toting, missile-lobbing, drone-flying goons.

"Gun-toting, missile-lobbing, drone-flying goons"? Is he talking about the Flyers and Bruins or USA in general? I think that description is accurate and will be making it a macro to save keystrokes in future.

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M. Spector M. Spector's picture

[url=http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/some-final-thoughts-... Moore's[/url] paean to the death squad assigned to assassinate bin Laden:

Michael Moore wrote:
Last week, President Obama fulfilled a campaign promise and killed Osama bin Laden. Well he didn't actually do the killing himself. It was carried out by a very brave and excellent team of Navy SEALs. ...

The official story from the Pentagon changed four times in the first four days! It went from OBL firing on the troops with one hand and using his wife as a human shield with the other, to, by the fourth day, not single person in the main house, including bin Laden, being armed when killed. ...

These SEALs are trained to follow orders. I don't know what their orders were that night in Abbottabad, but it certainly looks like a job (and this is backed up in a piece in the Atlantic) where they were told to not bring bin Laden back alive. The SEALs are pros at what they do and they instantly took out every adult male (every potential threat) within a few minutes - but they also took care to not harm a single one of the nine children who were present. Pretty amazing. This wasn't some Rambo-style operation where they just went in guns blazing, spraying bullets. They acted swiftly and with expert precision. ...[emphasis added]

Then he goes on to talk about how his "spiritual beliefs" don't allow for capital punishment! What a fucking hypocrite he is!

 

 

Fidel

Even Ralph Nader has the killer instinct when commenting months ago on how to murder bin Laden. 

Well, at least least they are both against saturation bombing, "collateral damage", acceptable losses and that whole other category of hypocrisy.

They wanted Americans to believe that one man out-witted a $40 billion dollar a year intelligence agency on 9/11 a false flag operation no doubt. And realistically they only needed some phony majority of US voters to believe that. A phony majority either way whether Republican or Democrat never mattered. 

Fidel

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/12/congress.bin.laden.photos/?hpt=T2]More lawmakers want photos of bin Laden's body released[/url] CNN

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Nelson, a Democrat who is a senior member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in a news release, "I've said already that I agree with President Obama's decision not to release these pictures right now. Satisfying skeptics and conspiracy theorists isn't worth inflaming radicals or putting our troops in even more danger."
But "I personally believe the free flow of information is tantamount to our democracy. Thus, these pictures should eventually be made part of the public record."

Pandering to skeptics isn't worth endangering the lives of US troops. Apparently they've been shown real photos of the actual evidence this time. Or at least,  this is what they claim. This is becoming as dicey as an X-Files.

They could show us the real photos if'n they wanted to. But they don't wanna. I wonder what the real reason is?

VanGoghs Ear

M. Spector wrote:

[url=http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/some-final-thoughts-... Moore's[/url] paean to the death squad assigned to assassinate bin Laden:

Michael Moore wrote:
Last week, President Obama fulfilled a campaign promise and killed Osama bin Laden. Well he didn't actually do the killing himself. It was carried out by a very brave and excellent team of Navy SEALs. ...

The official story from the Pentagon changed four times in the first four days! It went from OBL firing on the troops with one hand and using his wife as a human shield with the other, to, by the fourth day, not single person in the main house, including bin Laden, being armed when killed. ...

These SEALs are trained to follow orders. I don't know what their orders were that night in Abbottabad, but it certainly looks like a job (and this is backed up in a piece in the Atlantic) where they were told to not bring bin Laden back alive. The SEALs are pros at what they do and they instantly took out every adult male (every potential threat) within a few minutes - but they also took care to not harm a single one of the nine children who were present. Pretty amazing. This wasn't some Rambo-style operation where they just went in guns blazing, spraying bullets. They acted swiftly and with expert precision. ...[emphasis added]

Then he goes on to talk about how his "spiritual beliefs" don't allow for capital punishment! What a fucking hypocrite he is!

 

 

it's because you don't believe that being a solldier is an honourable profession and he does.  He doesn't judge them since he doesn't believe he has the right to - probably got that from his spiritual beliefs

Fidel

Hear-hear! We need some democracy soon.

al-Qa'bong

HOO RA, Michael Moore digs mass murderers:

"The SEALs are pros at what they do and they instantly took out [that means shot to death, by the way] every adult male (every potential threat) within a few minutes - but they also took care to not harm a single one of the nine children who were present. Pretty amazing."

 

What would be amazing is if a retribution squad of Iraqis snuck into the USA and "took out" Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz and Powell.

 

After all, what they have done was a hanging offence at Nuremberg. Moreover, everyone knows they're clearly responsible for invading Iraq, which can't exactly be said about bin Laden's culpability with 9/11.

NDPP

Fidel wrote:

Hear-hear! We need some democracy soon.

NDPP

If you were serious, you would need to add the present president to the list - who has gone much farther than 'W' and co in expanding US warmaking and promises to go even farther. (With the complete cooperation of Canadian pols: 'learning from the best' judging from their enthusiasm for NATO, Libya etc)

'US Bill To Expand Pres. War Powers'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/179618.html

NDPP

M. Spector wrote:

[url=http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/some-final-thoughts-... Moore's[/url] paean to the death squad assigned to assassinate bin Laden:

Michael Moore wrote:
Last week, President Obama fulfilled a campaign promise and killed Osama bin Laden. Well he didn't actually do the killing himself. It was carried out by a very brave and excellent team of Navy SEALs. ...

The official story from the Pentagon changed four times in the first four days! It went from OBL firing on the troops with one hand and using his wife as a human shield with the other, to, by the fourth day, not single person in the main house, including bin Laden, being armed when killed. ...

These SEALs are trained to follow orders. I don't know what their orders were that night in Abbottabad, but it certainly looks like a job (and this is backed up in a piece in the Atlantic) where they were told to not bring bin Laden back alive. The SEALs are pros at what they do and they instantly took out every adult male (every potential threat) within a few minutes - but they also took care to not harm a single one of the nine children who were present. Pretty amazing. This wasn't some Rambo-style operation where they just went in guns blazing, spraying bullets. They acted swiftly and with expert precision. ...[emphasis added]

Then he goes on to talk about how his "spiritual beliefs" don't allow for capital punishment! What a fucking hypocrite he is!

NDPP

What about another 'fucking hypocrite' Jack Layton and his approving good doggie noises in support?

NDPP

Russia-US: Terrorism's Vicious Circle    -  by Eric Walberg

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2011/05/12/russia-us-terrorism-s-vicious-circle

"Russian analysts were quick to note the operation would most likely guarantee US President Barack Obama's reelection.."

NDPP

George W Bush Gives First Public Reaction To Osama Bin Laden's Death (and vid)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-reacts-publicly-osama-bin-lad...

and Condi Rice isn't nice too

al-Qa'bong

With "Geronimo" now dead, the frontier will open up for the expansion of the West into "Indian country" by the Zionist-US long knives.

NDPP

Disposable And Expendable  - by William Bowles

http://williambowles.info/2011/05/12/disposable-and-expendable-by-willia...

"...In fact the contradictions and paradoxes of US-Pakistan relations are irrelevant to the main objective of the US in the region which is to maintain a state of chaos and instability, just as USNATO's presence in Afghanistan is not about winning but simply about being there. Let the occupation go on forever, money is being made, economies are bing held hostage and kept in a permanent state of dependence on the Empire. And all the while the Empire moves ever closer to its two main rivals, Russia and China. This is what Empire building is all about..."

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Alexander Cockburn wrote:
Pinko terror-symps and the “rule of law” gang  may cavil and whine at the lack of legal propriety in the execution of Osama , but it’s not cutting much ice with liberal America.  For long years what might be called the “progressive” segment of American voters have chafed at Republican gibes that their guy Obama is a wimp, all the more irritably because deep down many of them thought the charge had some merit.

But now the former professor of constitutional law is really and truly an American. He’s flashed his  long, long Cadillac of a birth certificate, not merely the unconvincing shorty going the rounds for years. Better still, he has cojones.  Bigger cojones than those of  George Bush, who said that the capture of Osama was of no interest to him. Obama didn’t task the Navy SEALs: “if Osama shows no sign of resistance, it is your duty under Rules of Engagement to bring him home alive to face a fair trial.” No. He said “Make sure it’s Osama, then kill him.”

We have Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma to thank for making Osama’s [sic!] orders clear. In an interview with CNN’s Eliot Spitzer he described the photographs, thus far denied the American people but available to members of Congress.
Inhofe:

“Three of the first 12 pictures were of Osama when he was alive. And they did this for the purpose of being able to look at those and seeing the nose, the eyes and his relationship for positive identification purposes. And that was good.

“One of the shots went through an ear and out through the eye socket, or it went in through the eye socket and out - and then exploded. It was that kind of ordinance that it was. Now that caused the brains to be hanging out of the eye socket, so that was pretty gruesome...."

Line up Obama with his fellow assassins, from Eisenhower through Bush, and I believe he’s the most repellent of the bunch, down there with Woodrow Wilson. None of his rivals quite match the instinctive egotism that allows Obama effortlessly to affect the earnestness of a man taking the moral high road while executing a cynical program of electioneering-by-assassination.
Cynical but effective. The Republicans are in a state of total confusion and have no plausible candidate to run against Obama. The progressives are solidly behind their man.

[url=http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn05132011.html]Counterpunch[/url]

NDPP

The Cold Blooded Killing Of An Innocent Man With Malice Aforethought  - by Ruth Hull

http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Cold-Blooded-killing-o-by-Ruth-Hull...

"...The reality is that, if Osama bin Laden is actually dead this time, and the events really did happen as stated, Obama deliberately killed an innocent, unarmed man with malice aforethought during the course of a burglary. The actions of agents are treated as acts of the principals in courts of law..."

Fidel

NDPP wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Hear-hear! We need some democracy soon.

NDPP

If you were serious, you would need to add the present president to the list - who has gone much farther than 'W' and co in expanding US warmaking and promises to go even farther. (With the complete cooperation of Canadian pols: 'learning from the best' judging from their enthusiasm for NATO, Libya etc)

'US Bill To Expand Pres. War Powers'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/179618.html

Oh for sure. And Clinton's regime was instrumental in working with al-Qaeda to create militant Islamic bases in Bosnia and Macedonia in the late 1990s. Hashim Thaci is another of their drug trafficking war criminal partners in crime. They should all be in jail.

Fidel

The New bin Laden wrote:
Orwell Wrote The Script

Since 9/11, with some diversions into Sheik Mohammed and Mohamed Atta, the two rivals to bin Laden as the "Mastermind of 9/11," Osama bin Laden has played the 21st century roll of Emmanuel Goldstein. Now that the Obama Regime has announced the murder of the modern-day Goldstein, a new demon must be constructed before Oceania's wars run out of justifications.

Hillary Clinton, the low-grade moron who is US Secretary of State, is busy at work making China the new enemy of Oceania. China is Amerika's largest creditor, but this did not inhibit the idiot Hilary from, this week in front of high Chinese officials, denouncing China for "human rights violations" and for the absence of democracy

Chimerica's bitter divorce proceedings not going well says father of Reaganomics.

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