Brecon & Radnorshire by-election today reduces Johnson’s Minority Government coalition with the N Ireland Yahoos to 1 (one)

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Brecon & Radnorshire by-election today reduces Johnson’s Minority Government coalition with the N Ireland Yahoos to 1 (one)

But before we get too excited there are others who vote with the Tories as well so maybe we should not get our hope’s up just yet 

But undeniabily we do have to have a clearly Remain party to support which will probably sweep to power when the next election occurs

What an absolute nitenare this whole right-wing Brexit sham is particularily for the UK working class

 

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That SHOULD read "could reduce the Johnson's Tory-DUP coalition to a working majority of 1 seat".  As written, it makes it sound like losing the seat would mean there was only one Tory MP remaining in the House(which would be a wonderful thing, but which is sadly not likely to happen anytime soon).

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Lib Dems win

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Jo Swinson, the newly elected Lib Dem Leader, and now the defacto Leader of the anti-Brexit forces, will be very happy tonite. The 2 other anti-Brexit parties stood down to give the Lib Dems max support for the anti-Brexit forces. It did indeed give them the edge and the win

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49164500

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Why would the Cons run the guy who was recalled 

Not very smart but the Lib Dem strategy was brilliant

 

 

Debater

Another victory for the Liberal Democrats.

When will Corbyn agree to step down before he takes Labour down with him?

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robbie_dee

Debater wrote:

Brexit parties still took the majority of votes they were just split three ways allowing the Liberals to come up the middle in a seat they used to own for decades. I'm not sure how much this result really reflects on Corbyn.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

And again, Labour CAN'T take an "we're going to fight for Remain and that's all there is to it" position without going all the way back to Blairism, so it's enough that they're for a second referendum now and there's no good reaso to push them to take any other stance now.  It's time to let the EU-bashing of Corbyn end, since it can only be antisocialist, antiworker and antipoor to be all-out Remain, and it can only guarantee that all Labour voters in the North and Northeast of England vote Brexit Party, thus guaranteeing a Labour defeat, to keep demanding that Labour go all-out Remain.

There's nothing Labour can offer those voters, the ones left to rot by Thatcherism, Blairism AND the EU, that can make up for putting them back under the institution that will always leave them to rot.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Labour hasn't won Breconshire and Radnorshire(previously called Brecon and Radnor) since 1974.  It hasn't come close to winning the constituency since Neil Kinnock managed to blow what should have been an easy by-election win there in 1986.  Labour finished third there in every election Blair fought as leader.  Why should it have been a test for Corbyn when, apparently, it wasn't a test for anybody else's leadership?

brookmere

Ken Burch wrote:
Why should it have been a test for Corbyn when, apparently, it wasn't a test for anybody else's leadership?

It was expressly a test of Johnson's leadership, since it was a vote on a no-deal Brexit, which is the only thing Johnson visibly stands for. And it was an incumbent Tory seat.

Of course it's not a seat Labour needs to win. But Labour cannot win if their decline in support is reflected elsewhere.

Debater

robbie_dee wrote:

Debater wrote:

Brexit parties still took the majority of votes they were just split three ways allowing the Liberals to come up the middle in a seat they used to own for decades. I'm not sure how much this result really reflects on Corbyn.

It reflects on Corbyn because he wasn't able to increase support or even retain Labour's existing vote share.  Instead, Labour fell down to 5% in the riding.

No one said that Labour had to win the riding, but to fall into single digits is not a good sign.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

It's likely that Corbyn and those around him decided that it was best to get out of the way and make sure the corrupt Tory who used to hold the seat was defeated.   

It would be fine for Corbyn to stand down, and he'd probably be fine with it, if the PLP just accepted that there HAS to be somebody on the leadership ballot-probably John McDonnell-who actually disagrees with the Tories, rather than insisting that the only candidates be "Labour moderates"-i.e., the people who only disagree with the Tories on trivial side issues, while backing them on economics, spending, and foreign policy/defense issues-the only issues where change actually matters.

As long as the PLP sees dumping Corbyn as a means to lock in Blairism for the rest of eternity-and everyone here would, I think, have to concede that it would be meaningless to even HAVE a Labour government if the party went back to Blairism-you're not going to see the guy back down.

The PLP has to change its attitude, and has to accept that the vast bulk of the party WANT Labour to be totally different than the Tories.