Canada's foreign affairs minister is a conspiracy theorist!

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Canada's foreign affairs minister is a conspiracy theorist!

That's right, you read it here first!

Canada's very own Foreign Affairs Minister, Chrystia Freeland is a Conspiracy Theorist!

Here is what she had to say today about Jamal Khashoggi's murder:

 “The murder of Jamal Khashoggi is abhorrent and represents an unconscionable attack on the freedom of expression of all individuals,” Freeland said in a press release.

“Canada continues to call for a credible and independent investigation. Those responsible for Jamal Khashoggi’s murder must be held to account and must face justice.”

In the meantime, she has placed sanctions on 17 individuals
she believes are complicit in her conspiracy theory:

    Mansour Othman ABAHUSSAIN (born 10 or 11 August 1972)
    Naif Hassan ALARIFI (born 28 February 1986)
    Fahad Shabib ALBALAWI (born 24 January 1985)
    Meshal Saad ALBOSTANI (born 27 March 1987)
    Thaar Ghaleb ALHARBI (born 1 August 1979)
    Abdulaziz Mohammed ALHAWSAWI (born 20 July 1987)
    Mustafa Mohammed ALMADANI (born 8 December 1961)
    Badr Lafi ALOTAIBI (born 6 July 1973)
    Khalid Aedh ALOTAIBI (born 28 June 1988)
    Mohammad AL-OTAIBI (born 6 November 1964)
    Saif Saad ALQAHTANI (born 1973)
    Saud AL-QAHTANI (born 7 July 1978)
    Turki Muserref ALSEHRI (born 1982)
    Waleed Abdullah ALSEHRI (born 5 November 1980)
    Mohammed Saad ALZAHRANI (born 8 March 1988)
    Maher Abdulaziz MUTREB (born 23 May 1971)
    Salah Mohammed TUBAIGY (born 20 August 1971)

Who would ever have believed that Canada has a crazy tin-foil-hat-
wearing conspiracy theorist as their Foreign Affairs Minister?

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voice of the damned

Are you trying to argue that it's inconsistent to criticize, say, 9/11 Truthers as conspiracy-theorists, because we recognize the concept of conspiracy in regards to criminal undertakings(such as the murder of Khashoggi)?

If so, that's one I've heard before, and I think it  plays sleight-of-hand with two different usages of the word "conspiracy". I can agree that, say, a group of people might conspire together to rob a bank. That doesn't mean I can't consider it a priori ridiculous when some someone advances a "conspiracy theory" in the sense of alleging that the orientation of power behind the scenes is radically different than what you would assume from everyday observation, eg. the Catholic Church controlled both Nazi Germany and the USSR.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

I think we all recognize that when two or more people plan some secret bad thing, that's a conspiracy, and those have happened.  But it's syllogism-grade "logic" to then so "so therefore 9/11 or Sandy Hook or Boston Marathon are also conspiracies".

I think this dog won't hunt, Noops.  Go back to how fire cannot weaken metals.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

A Huuuuuuge reach. Entertaining though.

Noops

voice of the damned wrote:

Are you trying to argue that it's inconsistent to criticize, say, 9/11 Truthers as conspiracy-theorists, because we recognize the concept of conspiracy in regards to criminal undertakings(such as the murder of Khashoggi)?

Basically.

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 That doesn't mean I can't consider it a priori ridiculous when some someone advances a "conspiracy theory" in the sense of alleging that the orientation of power behind the scenes is radically different than what you would assume from everyday observation, eg. the Catholic Church controlled both Nazi Germany and the USSR.

Not going for the Catholic Church "conspiracy theory".

When I read Chrystia Freeland's statement today I immediately rubbed my eyes because I thought I was reading:

“The murder of 3000 Americans is abhorrent and represents an unconscionable attack on the freedom of expression of all individuals.

America/Canada/the world continues to call for a credible and independent investigation of 9/11. Those responsible for the murders must be held to account and must face justice.”

Noops

Mr. Magoo wrote:

I think we all recognize that when two or more people plan some secret bad thing, that's a conspiracy, and those have happened.  But it's syllogism-grade "logic" to then so "so therefore 9/11 or Sandy Hook or Boston Marathon are also conspiracies".

Shame on you Mr. Magoo for not knowing that 9/11 and Boston Marathon have been declared conspiracies
officially by the U.S. government!

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

A victory for the conspiracy theorists!

But then what are they still obsessing about??

Noops

Mr. Magoo wrote:

A victory for the conspiracy theorists!

But then what are they still obsessing about??

No obsessing here about anything.

Two things jumped off the page for me earlier today when I read Chrystia Freeland's
statement.
1. She solved the crime! She is so confident (Lord knows how) that 17 Saudis were complicit
in the alleged murder of Khashoggi that she has placed sanctions them! Good job Sherlock.
2. The wording of her statements were so inviting.
“Canada continues to call for a credible and independent investigation. Those responsible for Jamal Khashoggi’s murder must be held to account and must face justice.” Hmmm..... something a little more important that's worth an independent investigation?

The truth is that we know next to nothing about what happened to Khashoggi.

Yet she has jumped on the bandwagon, and pulled 17 Saudi names out of her a__.
Just how does she know these Saudi's have conspired about anything?

Do you know Magoo?

WWWTT

Corporate circus freak side show.  

It worked to! You read the article. Give yourself a big pat on the back noops, you got played. 

Noops

WWWTT wrote:

Corporate circus freak side show.  

Yes it was indeed a corporate circus freak side show.

 

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It worked to! You read the article. Give yourself a big pat on the back noops, you got played.

On the contrary. I exposed the freak show. Brought it to the attention of all fellow rabblers!

Noops

I feel I should clarify my position on this as there seems to be some confusion as to what I am actually trying to say here.

The CIA poisoned the term "conspiracy theorist" in the early 1960's by using it to bully, intimidate and ridicule anyone not buying into the U.S. government’s fabricated 'lone-gunman' JFK fairy tale.

Since that time news media worldwide have adopted the CIA's stance, using the term "conspiracy theorist" to knock anyone who doesn’t regurgitate any official government position on murders committed in the international theater.

Even when a murder is clearly the work of a conspiracy, the pejorative term "conspiracy theorist" is still used, rather than simply “theorist”.

Generally speaking I am sympathetic to so-called “conspiracy theorists".
I think people should have the right to voice their opinions and not feel threatened or cowed by those with political or financial interest.

With my OP I simply wanted to put the shoe on the other foot, so to speak.

We have a murder case now of international concern (Khashoggi).
Facts are few and far between. The story keeps changing on an almost daily basis.

Yet our Foreign Affairs Minister, Chrystia Freeland has taken it upon herself to have solved the crime!

A conspiracy likely did take place.

It is Chrystia Freeland’s theory that 17 Saudis are complicit in the conspiracy and she feels so sure about her theory that she decided impose sanctions on these 17 individuals.

Why should anyone take offence to calling Chrystia Freeland a conspiracy theorist? Because technically that’s what she is at this stage.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Generally speaking I am sympathetic to so-called “conspiracy theorists".

They have my sympathy too.

But I think you're pretending you're not a consipiracy theorist, Noops.  Why not just own it?  Let your freak flag fly!

WWWTT

Ok Noops, you called out the freek show and your reasoning sounds fair. 

Freeland And Justin are real quick to use these tragic events to promote themselves. Keeping their name in the corporate Canadian media 

Freeland is going a step or two further this time round. I suspect her accusations were orchestrated by the liberals, and Freeland was picked to be the face

Noops

Mr. Magoo wrote:

But I think you're pretending you're not a consipiracy theorist, Noops.  Why not just own it? 

 No I'm not pretending I'm a "consipiracy theorist". I don't even know what that means!

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Let your freak flag fly!

With all due respect Mr. Magoo, I dislike the tone of your posts. Please put a lid on them. You don't know me.
You seem to be implying that conspiracy theorists are freaks.
Or were you implying something else?

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Or were you implying something else?

It's a song.  Also, lyrics to another song.  And an old phrase.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I remember a time when the Canadian government needed actual evidence before they imposed penalties on foreigners. Who complied her list and on what evidence is my question.