A coup d'état in the USA is/is not brewing ...

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A coup d'état in the USA is/is not brewing ...

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Sean in Ottawa

The Socialists in France are not winning the next election

 

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The Duran: Trump Takes on (presumably outgoing) CIA Director John Brennan.

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The outgoing CIA director John Brennan fired the first strike against President-elect Donald Trump during an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

The CIA director warned that Trump does not fully understand the threat of Russia and Vladimir Putin, as well as scolding the President-elect for his “spontaneity”, which in Brennan’s view “is not something protects national security interests.”

Trump replies...

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Never one to back down from a fight, even if it means going against a nasty, deep state globalist like Brennan…President-elect Trump took to twitter to suggest that the soon-departed CIA director may have been behind the salacious “golden shower” intelligence leak to BuzzFeed….

from Zero Hedge ...

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This is the most direct accusation yet in the escalating feud with Obama’s intelligence agencies. As we noted earlier, no president since John F. Kennedy has dared to take on the CIA or the rest of the national security establishment. They knew that if they opposed the national security establishment at a fundamental level, they would be subjected to retaliatory measures. To the extent that President Kennedy consciously stood up to the system, he paid the price for his attempt at independent wielding of power from the Oval Office. It is a shuddering thought. A sharp lesson in history that must not be misinterpreted. The implications for Trump are quite clear. If his refusal to take intelligence briefings, or follow CIA advice is serious, then serious consequences will follow. If Trump is serious about peace with Putin when they insist on war, there will be a problem.

" If Trump is serious about peace with Putin when they insist on war, there will be a problem."

Sean in Ottawa

Harper is not coming back to be PM

Sean in Ottawa

The Scottish are not going to attack and take over London

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In another thread I quoted D Babych [from Russian media Sputnik] who noted the lessons that Trump had better learn, and quickly, from the successful US-sponsored coup in Ukraine in 2014.

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The example of Ukraine, given on Peter Lavelle's show by Dima Babych, is a useful comparison. Yanukovich, Poroshenko's predecessor, once he defeated Clinton clone Timoshenko (a real monster), found himself trying to compromise with Ukrainian uber-nationalists/fascists, neo-cons barking orders from the US regime throught their puppets, and so on. This was his downfall, in a word.They aimed to destroy him from day one of his government and they succeeded.

They were completely unwilling to compromise. It is the same with the cabal of DNC and neo-con zealots. They will not compromise and the more surely Trump recognizes that, and, so far I think he does, the better.

Sean in Ottawa

Now Trump going on another personal attack -- sure but it does not belong in this thread becuase this thread is about all those absurd things that are of course not happening.

Like the moon is not going to crash in to Ottawa today, (Whew!)

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You're trolling the thread, Sean?

Very adult.

voice of the damned

Yeah, prob'ly a coup. Trump will go down in history as the racist, sexist, Islamophobic, crotch-grabbing, Likudite-fascist, plutocrat version of Salvador Allende.

Sean in Ottawa

Oh here is another one:

Trump will not gain any respect on this site.

(Due to what he has said and done and the people he surrounds himself with).

Pro Trump propaganda will not work.

Hey, I am starting to like this thread.

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Sean in Ottawa

This just in: Trudeau will not resign tomorrow.

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You've marshalled some impressive arguments. Here, you might need this shovel.

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It is impossible to troll anyone who uses zerohedge as a source of "news".

Sean in Ottawa

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/past-comes-back-to-haunt-stru...

 

"Disbarred for making a series of outlandish assertions - including the claim that he had been kidnapped and blackmailed by one of Britain’s most senior judges - former barrister Alexander Mercouris’ credibility had surely hit rock bottom.

Indeed the Bar Standards Board described his behaviour as “unhelpful and profoundly dishonest”.

Within a few years however Mr Mercouris had managed to reinvent himself, using his powers of persuasion to become a commentator on world affairs for Russian TV news outlets and websites.

He is regularly interviewed by the pro-Putin news channel RT, which is funded by the Russian government, for his views about topics such as the Ukraine crisis, the defection of US whistle-blower Edward Snowden and Syria."

 

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"He also became Editor-in-Chief of an English language pro-Russian website The Duran."

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“How can he have any sort of credibility when he was discredited for making up such incredible stories in my case?” she said. “The problem, as I found out to my cost, is that he can be very persuasive.”

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"Mr Mercouris said he would be defending the claim, saying he thought Mrs Jamous would find it difficult to prove she had suffered psychological damage as a result of his actions.

"He did, however, state that he would always regret his behaviour in the way he handled her case.

“I completely understand why she is angry with me and why seeing me on TV would revive that sense of grievance she has,” he said. “I’m terribly ashamed of what I did and I’m going to have to live with it for the rest of my life.

My favorite bit here:

"Mr Mercouris added: “I’ve never tried to conceal my past and people only need to look me up to become aware of it. It does go to the question of my credibility, but it it’s not brought up very often. In fact I’m always careful when stating the facts of a case, precisely because of what I did in the past.”

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The elements involved: the CIA, facing imposed reform; the DNC cabal of zealots who cannot accept the electoral defeat they suffered nor take responsibility for same; the MSM, humiliated and beaten to a pulp by a brash, new POTUS; and so on.

The FBI is more divided on this.

(Cracks open a cold one.)

Sean in Ottawa

Oh -- you can't make this up:

Alexander Mercouris, Author at BSNEWS

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montrealer58 wrote:
It is impossible to troll anyone who uses zerohedge as a source of "news".

Fine. Parse this statement then. See if you can do it without ad hominem attack on the authors. lol.

" If Trump is serious about peace with Putin when they insist on war, there will be a problem."

Sean in Ottawa

montrealer58 wrote:

It is impossible to troll anyone who uses zerohedge as a source of "news".

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Zero Hedge is a batshit insane Austrian school finance blog run by two pseudonymous founders who post articles under the name "Tyler Durden," after the character from Fight Club.Wikipedia's W.svg It has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions.[citation NOT needed]

Tyler claims to be a "believer in a sweeping conspiracy that casts the alumni of Goldman Sachs as a powerful cabal at the helm of U.S. policy, with the Treasury and the Federal Reserve colluding to preserve the status quo." While this is not an entirely unreasonable statement of the problem,[1] his solution actually mirrors the antagonist in Fight Club: Tyler wants, per Austrian school ideas, to lead a catastrophic market crash in order to destroy banking institutions and bring back "real" free market capitalism.[2]

The site posts nearly indecipherable analyses of multiple seemingly unrelated subjects to point towards a consistent theme of economic collapse any day now. Tyler seems to repeat The Economic Collapse Blog's idea of posting blog articles many times a day and encouraging people to post it as far and wide as humanly possible. Tyler moves away from the format of long lists to write insanely dense volumes[3] filled with (often contradicting) jargon that makes one wonder if the writers even know what the words actually mean.[4] The site first appeared in early 2009, meaning that (given Tyler's habit of taking a shit on each and every positive data point), anyone listening to him from the beginning missed the entire 2009-2014 rally in the equities market.

The only writer conclusively identified is Dan Ivandjiiski, who conducts public interviews on behalf of Zero Hedge.[5] The blog came online several days after he lost his job at Wexford Capital, a Connecticut-based hedge fund (run by a former Goldman trader). Later Colin Lokey joined Zero Hedge's writing team in 2015 and left in April 2016 publishing an article identifying the writing team as Dan Ivandjiiski, Tim Backshall, and himself. This is quite a bit less than the 40 or so writers Ivandjiiski claimed to be on staff in earlier years. Note that they chose the pen name from a nihilistic psychotic delusion.

Zero Hedge is not quite the NaturalNews of economics, but not for want of trying.

Sean in Ottawa

ikosmos wrote:

montrealer58 wrote:
It is impossible to troll anyone who uses zerohedge as a source of "news".

Fine. Parse this statement then. See if you can do it without ad hominem attack on the authors. lol.

" If Trump is serious about peace with Putin when they insist on war, there will be a problem."

Parse this prediction:

If it is sunny tomorrow, it will be nice.

Find fault with that!

Sean in Ottawa

ikosmos wrote:

 

(Cracks open a cold one.)

How many other cold ones did you crack open today?

bekayne

voice of the damned wrote:

Yeah, prob'ly a coup. Trump will go down in history as the racist, sexist, Islamophobic, crotch-grabbing, Likudite-fascist, plutocrat version of Salvador Allende.

Considering the new Ambassador, maybe Kahanist would be better

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Christ, Sean, I'd have to drink a dozen to fall to the low level of "debate" you've demonstrated here.

eta: If you don't like a thread, then ignore it.

bekayne

The Duran is giving Gateway Pundit and Brietbart a run for their money in terms of slobbering coverage of their new God

http://theduran.com/tag/donald-trump/

KenS

Tempest in a teapot. (or maybe that is in a Trumpet)

CIA will make up with Trump. These people have way, way too much in common.

They dont like him- so what?

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Well, as one of the Duran pieces noted, the last President to have such an open conflict with the CIA was one John F. Kennedy.

We all know how that ended.

Sean in Ottawa

ikosmos wrote:

Christ, Sean, I'd have to drink a dozen to fall to the low level of "debate" you've demonstrated here.

eta: If you don't like a thread, then ignore it.

I think you got the tense wrong-- did you mean:

"I had to drink a dozen before I fell below the level of "debate" you've demonstrated here?"

Also much of what I said was in humour -- and this thread title deserved that.

KenS

Ikosmos, is the most important thing about Trump the fact that he does not fall into line with Russia and Putin bashing?

(just to be clear- not meant to be related to the thread topic)

 

josh

The coup d'etat already happened. Thanks in good part to the FBI. That's why Trump is being sworn in on Friday.

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KenS wrote:
Ikosmos, is the most important thing about Trump the fact that he does not fall into line with Russia and Putin bashing?

(just to be clear- not meant to be related to the thread topic)

There is a Trump Admin thread where that is being addressed. For a Canadian, as most babblers allegedly are, my own view is that what matters to me most - and should matter most - is foreign policy.

Of course, some babblers cannot distinguish this country from the USA and so, like many USians, they only concern themselves with domestic policy ... and noisily object when anyone brings up, say, Obama's record of drone strikes against funerals and wedding parties, etc., on the grounds that it's "not relevant" or some such garbage.

The most important thing about Trump right now is that he's the President-Elect of the most powerful country/Empire in the world. Everything he says and does ought to be of some interest. I think the last PM called Trudeau said something like "living next to the US is like sleeping with an elephant".

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For a Canadian, as most babblers allegedly are, my own view is that what matters to me most - and should matter most - is foreign policy.

I do, in fact, allege that I'm Canadian.

But are you referring to CANADIAN foreign policy, and suggest it's more important than Canadian domestic policy?

Or is the foreign policy of some other country what we should be focussed on, in lieu of either Canadian foreign or Canadian domestic policy?

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The foreign policy as it affects Canada, Magoo. Can you really not figure that out by yourself?

Sean in Ottawa

ikosmos wrote:

KenS wrote:
Ikosmos, is the most important thing about Trump the fact that he does not fall into line with Russia and Putin bashing?

(just to be clear- not meant to be related to the thread topic)

There is a Trump Admin thread where that is being addressed. For a Canadian, as most babblers allegedly are, my own view is that what matters to me most - and should matter most - is foreign policy.

Of course, some babblers cannot distinguish this country from the USA and so, like many USians, they only concern themselves with domestic policy ... and noisily object when anyone brings up, say, Obama's record of drone strikes against funerals and wedding parties, etc., on the grounds that it's "not relevant" or some such garbage.

The most important thing about Trump right now is that he's the President-Elect of the most powerful country/Empire in the world. Everything he says and does ought to be of some interest. I think the last PM called Trudeau said something like "living next to the US is like sleeping with an elephant".

Oh come on.

"For a Canadian, as most babblers allegedly…" -- ok so a swipe at most people here -- or presumably any who do not agree with you. All right moving on…

Then the next one-- what matters for you is what you think should matter for anyone. I won't even bother to pretend to be polite in the face of that arrogance.

Then we discuss foreign policy for a moment. First for me environmental policy is global and so it is foreign policy. Trump was not qualified simply by saying he was not a believer in climate change science. But, moving on again. You contend that the world is safer with a guy who throws tantrums, does not believe in advice or science, is close to republican hawks, attacks anyone who disagrees with him, bullies people, picks fights with one country after another before being sworn in…. On foreign policy Trump is not an upgrade. He is a loose cannon. Clinton was terrible but there is no real evidence that the guy who thinks a new nuclear arms race is a good thing would be better.

Now here is the thing about people on the left you might not know -- they are not entirely self centred like right wing people often can be. So the absolute disaster that Trump poses to the US domestically is of concern because they are human beings not just because people here, other than you, are too stupid to tell the difference between Canada and the USA.

But Canada is influenced by political waves south of the border. A wholesale attack on anyone who is not heterosexual, white and male risks influencing this country as well as being intolerable for any person who has any compassion and desire for justice as, perhaps news to you, something people who are left of centre have.

A guy who will remove healthcare, roll back women's reproductive rights, facilitate anti-union and homophobic legislation, promote racial conflict and disrespect, increase poverty to help the wealthy, promote police a state, is not a person who will be popular on a left of centre site -- even if that site is located in a different country.

A note on trade: The argument that the FTA or NAFTA was negative for Canada does not mean that the disordered unraveling of those agreements to be replaced with the bullying of the US president and protectionist hawks would be a good thing. The advantages we had before those agreements are gone and we are dependent on them somewhat now for the economy we have. A change would need to be managed carefully even if it may be beneficial. Opponents of the FTA back in 1988 made it very clear that the opt out was not real because the economy would adjust to the new reality, we would lose some things that would not come back by magic if the deal ended.

Trump is a disaster for the globe as well as his own country. He might on balance be good for Russia due to the impact of sanctions he will lift. But I am not even sure if they will benefit.

Lastly your contention that those who oppose Trump are supportive of the foreign policy of Obama and Clinton including drone strikes is not just bullshit, it is calculated to inflame as it is such an obvious lie given how many people here have attacked both Trump and US policy under Obama.

Perhaps it is you who cannot tell the difference between the US and Canada. We do not vote and are not obliged to support either. We do not have to support Trump just because we dislike Obama's record on drones. We also do not have to support Obama's records to say that we have no faith that Trump, backed by Republican hawks, will be any different.

Now you attacked my debating but it is you twisting arguments, using weasel words and subtle insults. My insults have been to your posts and have been direct and are there for a reason. I have added some humour about the thread title but my arguments have had substance.

 

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The foreign policy as it affects Canada

So, the foreign policy of some other country.

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Can you really not figure that out by yourself?

Can you really not just say 'the foreign policy of some other country"?

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Well, it took a while but nice to see some substantive arguments from you, Sean.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
"For a Canadian, as most babblers allegedly…" -- ok so a swipe at most people here -- or presumably any who do not agree with you. All right moving on…

We have, in fact, had a problem with this issue in the past on babble. Look it up.

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Then the next one-- what matters for you is what you think should matter for anyone. I won't even bother to pretend to be polite in the face of that arrogance.

How another country affects my own is the first - not the only - concern for a patriot. Of course, we have to look at it all but the big picture comes first, just as preventing war comes first generally when it comes to conflicts, because war is the greatest crime, containing within itself all other crimes, yadda yadda.

To take your example: if some country has a better environmental policy than Canada (which is easy to do) , but invades our country or carries out some form of warfare against us, then which is more important? The enviro policy or the general foreign policy picture?

 

 

bekayne

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Zero Hedge is not quite the NaturalNews of economics, but not for want of trying.

Check out the comments section. It's also a cesspool of racism.

NorthReport

Thank you bekayne - what a shit website which several posters here love to regularly quote. Go figure!

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How another country affects my own is the first - not the only - concern for a patriot.

By "my own" do you mean Canada, or Russia?

At this point, I believe that's a fair question.  Congrats on levelling up to "patriot".

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bekayne wrote:
Check out the [ZeroHedge] comments section. It's also a cesspool of racism.

So is the CBC which, I understand, closed comments on FN issues because it was such a racist cesspool.

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As they should.  But did Zerohedge do the same?

Webgear

I have heard reporting that the last deep undercover KGB agents from the old USSR are actually behind the current tension in the US of A. They have a global plan to rebuild the USSR on the ashes and broken foundations of the US of A.

There is no word of Putin’s support however my sources say that the FSB is not impressed and will support the MI6 in regaining control of 13 colonies in the spring once General Wellington is done dealing with the France/ISIS threat in Europe.  

 

Sean in Ottawa

ikosmos wrote:

Well, it took a while but nice to see some substantive arguments from you, Sean.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
"For a Canadian, as most babblers allegedly…" -- ok so a swipe at most people here -- or presumably any who do not agree with you. All right moving on…

We have, in fact, had a problem with this issue in the past on babble. Look it up.

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Then the next one-- what matters for you is what you think should matter for anyone. I won't even bother to pretend to be polite in the face of that arrogance.

How another country affects my own is the first - not the only - concern for a patriot. Of course, we have to look at it all but the big picture comes first, just as preventing war comes first generally when it comes to conflicts, because war is the greatest crime, containing within itself all other crimes, yadda yadda.

To take your example: if some country has a better environmental policy than Canada (which is easy to do) , but invades our country or carries out some form of warfare against us, then which is more important? The enviro policy or the general foreign policy picture?

Ok this is great at least we  can now see some of the issues.

I am not a patriot. I think nationalism is generally in the way of progress and mostly is there to protect inequality. When I was young I guess I was patriotic but I have not been for more than a couple decades. So that might be the issue here. I don't really care much differently for people in another country than I do for people here. Maybe that makes me a bad person. But as I say I really soured on nationalism. Given that the greatest problems in the worl are global, I would not mind a global government even.

Now back to your first goofy comment -- I suspect I add more content here than many and probably too much for some. I do like to trade in substance and facts so you did start your post with a rather stupid comment. Of course what I was talking about was your suggestion that a significant number of people here are just "allegedly" Canadian. I really could not care less if they are or are not (see my comment on nationalism) -- I am happier to discuss things with an intelligent and thoughtful person from the US or elsewhere than an idiot from this country if it comes down to it. But we do have many people here who provide interesting thoughts and are from here so to suggest they might -- in significant numbers -- be lying is quite disrespectful of this place -- wonder why you are here?

Martin N.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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How another country affects my own is the first - not the only - concern for a patriot.

By "my own" do you mean Canada, or Russia?

At this point, I believe that's a fair question.  Congrats on levelling up to "patriot".


My own first concern also. The Russkies' navy is rickety, their aircraft struggle to stay in the air but their troll network is first rate.

Webgear

Martin N. wrote:

My own first concern also. The Russkies' navy is rickety, their aircraft struggle to stay in the air but their troll network is first rate.

Actually the Russian military is very capable and well modernized, it is the best it has been in decades.  

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Russian President V.V. Putin finally wades in.
 

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We have a news agency. It is called Life. Everyone is trying to prod us closer to life. (Laughter.)
 
You know, there is a category of people who leave without saying goodbye, out of respect for the situation that has evolved, so as not to upset anything. And then there are people who keep saying goodbye but don’t leave. I believe the outgoing administration belongs to the second category.
 
What are we seeing in the United States? We are seeing the continuation of an acute internal political struggle despite the fact that the presidential election is over and it ended in Mr Trump’s convincing victory. Nevertheless, in my opinion, several goals are being set in this struggle. Maybe there are more, but some of them are perfectly obvious.
 
The first is to undermine the legitimacy of the US president-elect. By the way, in this regard, I would like to point out that whether deliberately or not, these people are causing enormous damage to US interests. Simply enormous. The impression is that, after a practice run in Kiev, they are now ready to organise a Maidan in Washington to prevent Trump from taking office.
 
The second goal is to tie the new president’s hands as he works to fulfil the campaign promises he made to the American people both at home and abroad. Well, think, how can anything be done to improve Russian-US relations if red herrings such as interference by hackers in the election campaign are trotted out? Although to reiterate, hackers – whoever they are – did not compile anything; they did not make anything up; they only disclosed material. Or, especially, if Russian special services have some compromising material on the president-elect.
 
Look, I am not acquainted with Mr Trump. I have never met him. I do not know what he will do in the international arena, so I have no reason either to attack him or criticise him for whatever reason or to defend him, no matter what. We will not even ask the Nobel Committee to give him a Nobel Prize for mathematics or physics or any other subject. I have absolutely no grounds for that. However, these leaks are obviously fabricated.
 
When Mr Trump came to Moscow a few years ago – I don’t remember exactly when – he was not a politician. We were unaware of his political ambitions. He was just a businessman to us, one of the wealthiest men in America. Does anyone think that our special services are chasing after every American billionaire? Of course not. It’s nonsense. That’s my first point.
 
Second, concerning the allegation that Trump arrived in Moscow and the first thing he did was meet with Moscow prostitutes. First, he is an adult and, second, he has for many years sponsored beauty contests and had the chance to meet the world’s most beautiful women. Why would he run to a hotel to meet up with our girls of limited social responsibility? Although they are, of course, the best in the world. But I doubt that Trump fell for it.
 
Finally, there’s one more consideration. Prostitution is an ugly social phenomenon. Among other things, young women engage in it because they cannot make a decent living otherwise. To a great extent, the guilt lies with society and the state.
 
People who order these kinds of fabrications, which are now being used to smear the US President-elect, and use it to advance their political agenda are worse than prostitutes. They have no moral constraints at all. By the way, Russia is constantly dealing with such people, our opponents. The fact that such methods are being used against the President-elect of the United States is certainly unparalleled and has never happened before. This indicates the significant level of degradation among political elites in the West, including the United States.
 
But I very much hope that common sense will prevail. This applies to relations between the United States and its allies, including in Europe. After all, it is the current outgoing administration that has involved many European political leaders in the US domestic political fight. Today’s problems are the result of these activities.
 
I am sure that major mutual interests will set things right. Of course, there may be nuances, and it might leave a bad aftertaste, but still things will fall into place eventually. By the same token, I am sure, we will eventually be able to return to normal state-to-state relations in the interests of both the peoples of Europe and the peoples of Russia and the United States, which will contribute to advancing the global economy, stabilising the international situation and providing security.

 
Not bad for an authoritarian despot aiming at world conquest. lol. This was a very vulgar Putin, even for him, and shows how angry and outraged he is over the contemptible tactics now being used to discredit the President-elect, and himself, in the barbarous Western regimes and their lickspittle MSM.

[I've been unable to post a link to The Duran article. ]

josh

Probably a good thing because in your fawning over Putin you seem to have ignored copyright.

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Shorter Putin: "I'm shocked, shocked that some people are using political dirty tricks."

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A foreign Head of State breaks his silence over the astonishing attempt to undermine, even overthrow, the newly-elected POTUS and some babblers think a personal attack on the messenger is a good contribution. 

Rocket scientists, I salute you.  

josh

ikosmos wrote:

A foreign Head of State breaks his silence over the astonishing attempt to undermine, even overthrow, the newly-elected POTUS and some babblers think a personal attack on the messenger is a good contribution. 

Rocket scientists, I salute you.  

Let me correct you.  A foreign head of state continues to stonewall over his attempt to elect the PEEOTUS by, among other things, hacking the party opposing the PEEOTUS and disseminating the stolen information.

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