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Red Winnipeg

Unionist wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Red Winnipeg wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

So North Report where are you and your ancestors from and when are you going back.

I can see you believe in the Canadian Charter right to Freedom of Expression except for people who are pro-China. Interesting take on freedom and democracy.

Wait. You are PRO-China??

I am a deep sleeper agent for the CPC. I spent 17 years on this board waiting for them to activate me and finally the moment has come.

WHAT??? Who authorized you to self-disclose? Did you miss the latest memo? We only sent out 2 of the 3 trigger keys. You've now officially blown a lengthy and expensive mission. Honestly, the "talent" they're sending us these days... You leave us with no option but to invoke the [secret] China-Canada Extradition Treaty and have you shipped home for, um, reassignment. Please confirm receipt in the usual fashion. If you can remember it.

You spelled “re-education” incorrectly at the end of the antepenultimate sentence.

Red Winnipeg

kropotkin1951 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Carrie Lam is just a puppet for the thugs running China. She is useless and needs to step down.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEGYABboYXcMXbPHb8MngqpsqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowqeP_CjDdg_oCMOXg6QU?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen

This article does not say that nor deal with that subject matter. It is a fairly balanced take on the protests and the two sides of the debate.

North Report we get that you hate anything that is not sanctioned by the Washington Post and NY Times. Your posts that only have fake headers are becoming a form of trolling on behalf of the imperial empire. You sir are a brainwashed North American who thinks our system is better than anything else on the planet. I feel sorry for you that you are so indoctrinated that you are not able to avail yourself of the ample opportunity's you have on this board to read and expand your basic understanding of the complex world of international politics.

While it’s silly to label any country’s system as the best system in the world — the Canadian system is unquestionably one of the very best systems in the world.

Which countries, Krop, would you put ahead of Canada? Names please.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I was promised a free trip to a resort near Tianshan Tianchi Lake. Is that re-education or reassignment?

NorthReport
NorthReport
kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Red Winnipeg wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Carrie Lam is just a puppet for the thugs running China. She is useless and needs to step down.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEGYABboYXcMXbPHb8MngqpsqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowqeP_CjDdg_oCMOXg6QU?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen

This article does not say that nor deal with that subject matter. It is a fairly balanced take on the protests and the two sides of the debate.

North Report we get that you hate anything that is not sanctioned by the Washington Post and NY Times. Your posts that only have fake headers are becoming a form of trolling on behalf of the imperial empire. You sir are a brainwashed North American who thinks our system is better than anything else on the planet. I feel sorry for you that you are so indoctrinated that you are not able to avail yourself of the ample opportunity's you have on this board to read and expand your basic understanding of the complex world of international politics.

While it’s silly to label any country’s system as the best system in the world — the Canadian system is unquestionably one of the very best systems in the world.

Which countries, Krop, would you put ahead of Canada? Names please.

What do you mean by best? Best for who? Canada is part of the NATO imperial system. It works very well for most Canadians but not so well for the people of places our system "helps" like Haiti, Ecuador, Venezuela, Honduras, Libya, Iraq and Syria. How is our system working for them? Many countries have not bombed other countries like we have in Libya and Syria.

If you want to peacefully protest the Trans Mountain tank farm expansion in a major urban area the current price tag is twenty eight days in jail. Get that deal quick, the Judge says the price will keep going up until everyone stops disobeying him.

If you want to talk about corruption then lets talk BC Rail and Montreal bridges and paying third world wages to temporary foreign workers building major infrastructure in Vancouver.

I know that the system advanced by the right wing American media that North Report regurgitates daily is the worst evil this planet has ever seen. That was my point.

I have despised American Exceptionalism my whole life, Canadian Exceptionalism is not something I will cheer on.

NDPP

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NorthReport
Red Winnipeg

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Red Winnipeg wrote:

While it’s silly to label any country’s system as the best system in the world — the Canadian system is unquestionably one of the very best systems in the world.

Which countries, Krop, would you put ahead of Canada? Names please.

What do you mean by best? Best for who? Canada is part of the NATO imperial system. It works very well for most Canadians but not so well for the people of places our system "helps" like Haiti, Ecuador, Venezuela, Honduras, Libya, Iraq and Syria. How is our system working for them? Many countries have not bombed other countries like we have in Libya and Syria.

If you want to peacefully protest the Trans Mountain tank farm expansion in a major urban area the current price tag is twenty eight days in jail. Get that deal quick, the Judge says the price will keep going up until everyone stops disobeying him.

If you want to talk about corruption then lets talk BC Rail and Montreal bridges and paying third world wages to temporary foreign workers building major infrastructure in Vancouver.

I know that the system advanced by the right wing American media that North Report regurgitates daily is the worst evil this planet has ever seen. That was my point.

I have despised American Exceptionalism my whole life, Canadian Exceptionalism is not something I will cheer on.

To repeat: Names, please — as in the names of the countries you view as being among the very best in the world.

NorthReport
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Red Winnipeg wrote:

To repeat: Names, please — as in the names of the countries you view as being among the very best in the world.

Who the fuck do you think you are to demand I answer your inane questions? I can tell you the worst country on the planet is the USA. I don't rate other peoples countries that way however if it floats your boat you tell me what is your criteria for "best". I have no idea what you mean by the term. Please give me the full parameters to consider in my assessment.

Red Winnipeg

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Red Winnipeg wrote:

To repeat: Names, please — as in the names of the countries you view as being among the very best in the world.

Please give me the full parameters to consider in my assessment.

You clearly have a set of your own criteria in order for you to rank the USA as “the worst” country in the world. The USA has obviously failed to meet those criteria. So, perhaps using the same criteria, which countries are among the very best, as measured by those criteria?

 

My personal criteria include factors such as literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality rate, per capita GDP, Gini coefficient, individual freedoms (e.g., freedom of expression and freedom of conscious), individual rights (e.g., trials by juries, right not to be deprived of one’s property without compensation), gender equity, free and fair elections (where the government in power cannot unreasonably exclude a party from participating), and so forth.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Great, lets have your ranking given your criteria. Who are the very best countries in the world according to you. Its your game so please continue playing.

WWWTT

Red Winnipeg wrote:

My personal criteria include factors such as literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality rate, per capita GDP, Gini coefficient, individual freedoms (e.g., freedom of expression and freedom of conscious), individual rights (e.g., trials by juries, right not to be deprived of one’s property without compensation), gender equity, free and fair elections (where the government in power cannot unreasonably exclude a party from participating), and so forth.

LOL!

What about the right to live free from poverty?

What's with this sick fascination of giving corporate imperialists an oportunity to run ones life? The Chinese faught a civil war to get rid of capitalists. But for some bizarre odd reason that I can only asume is pure ignorance, several posters here believe that the Chinese would be better off adopting a painfully flawed and corrupt system, democracy?!?!?!?!

The Chinese give a ratts ass about the corporate imperialists invention of democracy. Get over it. I suspect that posters like you and Ken Burch are affraid that Chinese evolving Communism is actually the best form of People's government. And that it will be adopted here in the future!

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

WWWTT wrote:

The Chinese give a ratts ass about the corporate imperialists invention of democracy. Get over it. I suspect that posters like you and Ken Burch are affraid that Chinese evolving Communism is actually the best form of People's government. And that it will be adopted here in the future!

Please WWWTT Don't include Ken in the same category as Red Winnipeg.

jatt_1947 jatt_1947's picture

Red Winnipeg wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Red Winnipeg wrote:

To repeat: Names, please — as in the names of the countries you view as being among the very best in the world.

Please give me the full parameters to consider in my assessment.

You clearly have a set of your own criteria in order for you to rank the USA as “the worst” country in the world. The USA has obviously failed to meet those criteria. So, perhaps using the same criteria, which countries are among the very best, as measured by those criteria?

 

My personal criteria include factors such as literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality rate, per capita GDP, Gini coefficient, individual freedoms (e.g., freedom of expression and freedom of conscious), individual rights (e.g., trials by juries, right not to be deprived of one’s property without compensation), gender equity, free and fair elections (where the government in power cannot unreasonably exclude a party from participating), and so forth.

 

So, basically countries with an Anglo-Saxon system which are rated to be the best on social metrics such as freedom by indexes which are proven to be bias towards Nato/US allies?

You would also obviously support this for everyone, correct?

Making you a passive supporter of imperial wars to spread democracy, at best.

If not war then systemic harassment and institutional subversion as occurs frequently.

A Liberal Evangelical.

WWWTT

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Please WWWTT Don't include Ken in the same category as Red Winnipeg.

Actually, I include most babblers in this catergory (supporters of democracy).  You to brother :(

But something tells me you're going to make some kind of clarification comment perhaps?

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

I'd rather be here then in the best country in the world...

Just my two cents worth based on my 59 years life experiance. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

WWWTT wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Please WWWTT Don't include Ken in the same category as Red Winnipeg.

Actually, I include most babblers in this catergory (supporters of democracy).  You to brother :(

But something tells me you're going to make some kind of clarification comment perhaps?

I support democracy I just don't see any examples of it on this planet.

Red Winnipeg

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Great, lets have your ranking given your criteria. Who are the very best countries in the world according to you. Its your game so please continue playing.

Canada and the Nordic countries would meet most of those criteria. Other countries within Western Europe would also trend towards meeting those criteria. 

Red Winnipeg

WWWTT wrote:

Red Winnipeg wrote:

My personal criteria include factors such as literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality rate, per capita GDP, Gini coefficient, individual freedoms (e.g., freedom of expression and freedom of conscious), individual rights (e.g., trials by juries, right not to be deprived of one’s property without compensation), gender equity, free and fair elections (where the government in power cannot unreasonably exclude a party from participating), and so forth.

LOL!

What about the right to live free from poverty?

What's with this sick fascination of giving corporate imperialists an oportunity to run ones life? The Chinese faught a civil war to get rid of capitalists. But for some bizarre odd reason that I can only asume is pure ignorance, several posters here believe that the Chinese would be better off adopting a painfully flawed and corrupt system, democracy?!?!?!?!

The Chinese give a ratts ass about the corporate imperialists invention of democracy. Get over it. I suspect that posters like you and Ken Burch are affraid that Chinese evolving Communism is actually the best form of People's government. And that it will be adopted here in the future!

I think that China will likely be the greatest threat to humanity in the not-too-distant future.

Red Winnipeg

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I support democracy I just don't see any examples of it on this planet.

Which countries come closest to your ideal?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Red Winnipeg wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Great, lets have your ranking given your criteria. Who are the very best countries in the world according to you. Its your game so please continue playing.

Canada and the Nordic countries would meet most of those criteria. Other countries within Western Europe would also trend towards meeting those criteria. 

So any country that is predominately white especially  former colonial powers seem to be the best for you. I guess in your world view you only have one side of the equation. Do you think that if I have rights for some people but oppress others and steal their land and resources that I am a democrat? Just asking on behalf of some indigenous friends.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

WWWTT wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Please WWWTT Don't include Ken in the same category as Red Winnipeg.

Actually, I include most babblers in this catergory (supporters of democracy).  You to brother :(

But something tells me you're going to make some kind of clarification comment perhaps?

Why on earth do you include Kropotkin in that category?  He supports, as do I, democratic workers control of the means of production.   Does a person have to be an unquestioning backer of the Chinese model just to prove to you that they aren't an imperialist?

 

Red Winnipeg

Red Winnipeg wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I support democracy I just don't see any examples of it on this planet.

Which countries come closest to your ideal?

<<<crickets>>>

WWWTT

Red Winnipeg wrote:

I think that China will likely be the greatest threat to humanity in the not-too-distant future.

OK thanks for clarifying your position here.

I really hope your every fear of China happens!

Oh and by the way, the third most common language spoken in Canada, after English and French is Mandarin dialect Chinese. But you probably already knew that. That's why you hate China.

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Red Winnipeg wrote:

I think that China will likely be the greatest threat to humanity in the not-too-distant future.

I think they will have aways to go before they come close to the US. You obviously don't have any understanding of the effects that imperialism has on the democratic rights of people all over the world. How can anyplace be a democracy when the US has a base in the country and demands that nothing but pro-Western people can win.

he US Military has bases in 63 countries. Brand new military bases have been built since September 11, 2001 in seven countries.

In total, there are 255,065 US military personnel deployed Worldwide.

These facilities include a total of 845,441 different buildings and equipments. The underlying land surface is of the order of 30 million acres. According to Gelman, who examined 2005 official Pentagon data, the US is thought to own a total of 737 bases in foreign lands. Adding to the bases inside U.S. territory, the total land area occupied by US military bases domestically within the US and internationally is of the order of 2,202,735 hectares, which makes the Pentagon one of the largest landowners worldwide (Gelman, J., 2007).

WWWTT

Ken Burch wrote:

Why on earth do you include Kropotkin in that category?  He supports, as do I, democratic workers control of the means of production.   Does a person have to be an unquestioning backer of the Chinese model just to prove to you that they aren't an imperialist?

Let me ask you this. Who wins in a democracy? The answer I'm going for is "the majority"

If the majority of people are workers and common folk, then why have any democracy? Big waste of time and very illogical.

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I'm not sure if it matters if a current country match's the ideals a person support.  At some point, there had to be the first country where free speech and freedom of assembly were accepted as rights; there had to be the first country which held any form of elections, among "European" places. it was probably Iceland, globally, it was likely the Iroqois Confederacy; there had to be the first country with separated religion from state; there had to be the first country which guaranteed the rights of those not of the racial, ethnic, or religious/spiritual minorities; there had to be the first country which protected LGBTQ rights; the first which accepted the rights of working people to organize in unions.

It's illogical to argue that an idea can only be considered valid or advocated for if it is already in practice; carried to the logical extreme, no idea about anything would ever have been spread or adopted.

Red Winnipeg

WWWTT wrote:

I really hope your every fear of China happens!

Some of my biggest concerns are about personal privacy from government intrusion and control (rather than the Orwellian direction China is headed) and a lack of democratic elections and a right to freely express unpopular ideas (and ideas that are contrary to those who are in political power). 

And, those are the fears that you hope come to full fruition? 

Red Winnipeg

WWWTT wrote:

If the majority of people are workers and common folk, then why have any democracy? Big waste of time and very illogical.

That assumes that “workers and common folk” all think the same way and all have the same interests and desires.

Red Winnipeg

Ken Burch wrote:

I'm not sure if it matters if a current country match's the ideals a person support.  At some point, there had to be the first country where free speech and freedom of assembly were accepted as rights; there had to be the first country which held any form of elections, among "European" places. it was probably Iceland, globally, it was likely the Iroqois Confederacy; there had to be the first country with separated religion from state; there had to be the first country which guaranteed the rights of those not of the racial, ethnic, or religious/spiritual minorities; there had to be the first country which protected LGBTQ rights; the first which accepted the rights of working people to organize in unions.

It's illogical to argue that an idea can only be considered valid or advocated for if it is already in practice; carried to the logical extreme, no idea about anything would ever have been spread or adopted.

No country likely has ever reflected anyone’s ideal form of government.

The question is one of degree: Which countries are closest to that ideal? That’s the question I have from Krop.

NorthReport

Red Winnipeg 

Appreciate your enlightened comments compared to the purity test lefties 

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Red Winnipeg wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

I'm not sure if it matters if a current country match's the ideals a person support.  At some point, there had to be the first country where free speech and freedom of assembly were accepted as rights; there had to be the first country which held any form of elections, among "European" places. it was probably Iceland, globally, it was likely the Iroqois Confederacy; there had to be the first country with separated religion from state; there had to be the first country which guaranteed the rights of those not of the racial, ethnic, or religious/spiritual minorities; there had to be the first country which protected LGBTQ rights; the first which accepted the rights of working people to organize in unions.

It's illogical to argue that an idea can only be considered valid or advocated for if it is already in practice; carried to the logical extreme, no idea about anything would ever have been spread or adopted.

No country likely has ever reflected anyone’s ideal form of government.

The question is one of degree: Which countries are closest to that ideal? That’s the question I have from Krop.

 

The Abrahamic Faith Systems which include communism, liberalism, capitalism etc are the gravest threats and any talk of ideals is meaningless until their dismantlement.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

WWWTT wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Why on earth do you include Kropotkin in that category?  He supports, as do I, democratic workers control of the means of production.   Does a person have to be an unquestioning backer of the Chinese model just to prove to you that they aren't an imperialist?

Let me ask you this. Who wins in a democracy? The answer I'm going for is "the majority"

If the majority of people are workers and common folk, then why have any democracy? Big waste of time and very illogical.

I believe in democracy inside of syndicalist organizations. When those organizations need to cooperate then they do it on consensual and beneficial terms. The idea of a central government either elected in a sham election like Canada or in a sham election like China doesn't much appeal to me theoretically. However there is no way for humans to change into that kind of economy and society in the short term. The only possible way forward is and has always been through mutual aid not coercion.

Red Winnipeg here is one part of a country that I think is being run democratically. There are humans involved so it is not perfect but it sure beats the capitalist alternative you are so enamored of. The rest of the world needs to act locally and keep replicating this democracy until the bankers and their central governments are irrelevant.

There are no utopia's but the idea that a country like Canada after what it has done to the people of Haiti, Ecuador, Afghanistan, Libya, Venezuela and Honduras in the last two decades says that you only believe in democracy for people at home and the rest of the world are no better than slaves to our good life.

All public decisions, related to the cooperative, public spending, buildings etc., are taken collectively in Marinaleda. Around 100 general assemblies are organized per year to discuss issues and every single person has a say. The town knows hardly any crime and in fact does not even have any police officers (or priest, thanks to God, says the veteran mayor Gordillo) or fines. This new model actually goes back to the fundamental values of democracy and sets a good example, that an alternative system based on direct democracy which knows no misery is possible.

https://criticalconcrete.com/marinaleda/

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Red Winnipeg wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

I really hope your every fear of China happens!

Some of my biggest concerns are about personal privacy from government intrusion and control (rather than the Orwellian direction China is headed) and a lack of democratic elections and a right to freely express unpopular ideas (and ideas that are contrary to those who are in political power). 

And, those are the fears that you hope come to full fruition? 

You should be worried about the North American countries first, then.  Those concerns are just as real here as in China.

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Ken Burch wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Please WWWTT Don't include Ken in the same category as Red Winnipeg.

Actually, I include most babblers in this catergory (supporters of democracy).  You to brother :(

But something tells me you're going to make some kind of clarification comment perhaps?

Why on earth do you include Kropotkin in that category?  He supports, as do I, democratic workers control of the means of production.   Does a person have to be an unquestioning backer of the Chinese model just to prove to you that they aren't an imperialist?

He is obviously trolling the board is why. 

NorthReport

Free flow of information

Some people do not grasp or don’t want to grasp the significance of it

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3025600/can-hong-kong-maintain-its-status-amid-protests-despite

NorthReport

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NorthReport

So Quebec can vote for independence numerous times but Hong Kong can’t

And why is that again?

Make it good so we can all get a good laugh, eh!

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1VU00L

Left Turn Left Turn's picture

Red Winnipeg wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Red Winnipeg wrote:

To repeat: Names, please — as in the names of the countries you view as being among the very best in the world.

Please give me the full parameters to consider in my assessment.

You clearly have a set of your own criteria in order for you to rank the USA as “the worst” country in the world. The USA has obviously failed to meet those criteria. So, perhaps using the same criteria, which countries are among the very best, as measured by those criteria?

 

My personal criteria include factors such as literacy, life expectancy, infant mortality rate, per capita GDP, Gini coefficient, individual freedoms (e.g., freedom of expression and freedom of conscious), individual rights (e.g., trials by juries, right not to be deprived of one’s property without compensation), gender equity, free and fair elections (where the government in power cannot unreasonably exclude a party from participating), and so forth.

Krop has chosen not to answer your question, but I have no qualms about saying that I consider Cuba the best country on the planet. Not by your criteria, but by my own. Namely, that everyone in Cuba has the basics of food, water, and shelter (there are no starving homeless people in Cuba); and that Cuba is the one country not contributing to the climate crisis through massive ghg emissions.

Red Winnipeg

Left Turn wrote:

Krop has chosen not to answer your question, but I have no qualms about saying that I consider Cuba the best country on the planet. Not by your criteria, but by my own. Namely, that everyone in Cuba has the basics of food, water, and shelter (there are no starving homeless people in Cuba); and that Cuba is the one country not contributing to the climate crisis through massive ghg emissions.

Cuba raises some interesting questions. 

First, are people around the world clamoring to live like the Cubans?

I think the answer is obvious. People do not want to merely subsist with basics — even if everyone has the basics.

If people do not want the kind of life reflected by Cuba and if they resist going in that direction, then should they be forced by authoritarian leaders to accept such a life?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

NorthReport wrote:

So Quebec can vote for independence numerous times but Hong Kong can’t

And why is that again?

Make it good so we can all get a good laugh, eh!

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1VU00L

Can Vancouver or Montreal or Honolulu vote for separation in your world?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The US flag is as repressive a symbol as the swastika was to my parents generation. Watching the thugs in Hong Kong with the Amerikkkan flag reminds me that brown shirts can come in black just as easily.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Red Winnipeg wrote:

If people do not want the kind of life reflected by Cuba and if they resist going in that direction, then should they be forced by authoritarian leaders to accept such a life?

You mean like we do to our indigenous people or like the Troika did to the people of Greece after they voted for change?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The US flag is as repressive a symbol as the swastika was to my parents generation. Watching the thugs in Hong Kong with the Amerikkkan flag reminds me that brown shirts can come in black just as easily.

That flag is probably the result of Trump meddling in the situation.  The bastard no doubt wants this to end in a 1989-style violent repression response so he can justify expanding the damn trade war.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Red Winnipeg wrote:

Left Turn wrote:

Krop has chosen not to answer your question, but I have no qualms about saying that I consider Cuba the best country on the planet. Not by your criteria, but by my own. Namely, that everyone in Cuba has the basics of food, water, and shelter (there are no starving homeless people in Cuba); and that Cuba is the one country not contributing to the climate crisis through massive ghg emissions.

Cuba raises some interesting questions. 

First, are people around the world clamoring to live like the Cubans?

I think the answer is obvious. People do not want to merely subsist with basics — even if everyone has the basics.

If people do not want the kind of life reflected by Cuba and if they resist going in that direction, then should they be forced by authoritarian leaders to accept such a life?

Actually, a lot of people around the world do want the good parts of the Cuban revolution...the free healthcare, housing and education, including university education.  It's true that many don't want to be living with the authoritarian parts of the arrangement, but by the metric you apply, there's not a huge number of people around the world clamoring to live under Western-style austerity capitalism, under the grind-each-other-into-the-dirt model you seem to champion.

BTW, would you please do the decent thing and change your posting name?  You obviously hate everything the socialist tradition of Winnipeg ever represented and want to see anything similar to it crushed and replaced by a society even more greed-based than the one we have now, so it's pretty much a lie for you to call yourself "Red Winnipeg".  You should post as "Milton Freedman On Bath Salts" or  "Scrooge Shouldn't Have Caved In" or something like that.

Red Winnipeg

Ken Burch wrote:

BTW, would you please do the decent thing and change your posting name?  You obviously hate everything the socialist tradition of Winnipeg ever represented and want to see anything similar to it crushed and replaced by a society even more greed-based than the one we have now, so it's pretty much a lie for you to call yourself "Red Winnipeg".

Red hair, my friend.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Red Winnipeg wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

BTW, would you please do the decent thing and change your posting name?  You obviously hate everything the socialist tradition of Winnipeg ever represented and want to see anything similar to it crushed and replaced by a society even more greed-based than the one we have now, so it's pretty much a lie for you to call yourself "Red Winnipeg".

Red hair, my friend.

The word is spelt herring not hair.

WWWTT

Red Winnipeg wrote:

Some of my biggest concerns are about personal privacy from government intrusion and control (rather than the Orwellian direction China is headed) and a lack of democratic elections and a right to freely express unpopular ideas (and ideas that are contrary to those who are in political power). 

And, those are the fears that you hope come to full fruition? 

First off, ya who gives a ratts ass about elections? Don't bother repeating that one again with me.

Government intrusion? The many people I know living in China and myself never had any issues with this. Last time I was there, 2018, I went online almost every day and visited rabble/babble. As far as "unpopular ideas" goes, this is probably more of your vague bullshit fabrications.

So ya I guess you are right! Since you sound like you're paranoid, your fears aren't going to come true. Sorry to disappoint you!

But why are you wasting your time with China? All that shit is happening right now in Canada. I guess you're one of these people that care more about the poor Chinese people than Canadiansand hold the Chinese government to higher standards than any western government.

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