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John McCain dies

I first heard of this news on Chinese news station CCTV4.

I'm going to keep the tone of this thread opener down a few notches.

Let the ranting begin!

quizzical

ranting?

i am sorta sad for the US. the only voice of sanity they had in the Republican party.

 

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

He was the only voice of reason during the Trump era. I can't look beyond his  Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran satire of Barbra Anne. He was a real big hawk.But I still think it was awesome when some decrepid old hag accused Obama of being a Muslim during one of his Presidential campaign rallies in 2008 and he shut her the fuck up.

Mixed feelings.

cco

Well, he shut her up by saying "He's not an Arab, he's a good man." So yeah. My feelings aren't all that mixed.

23 bombing runs over Vietnam. The man was a mass murderer and got lionized for serving 6 years in prison. He was a racist (said he'd never stop calling Vietnamese "gooks", voted against MLK day until it became politically inconvenient to do so) and someone who never met a war he didn't like, not to mention a crook.

It's totally unsurprising the Clintons are fawning over him. Canadians who think Trump excuses McCain's crimes should be ready to defend Trump when President Richard Spencer opens up the gas chambers.

WWWTT

quizzical wrote:

ranting?

i am sorta sad for the US. the only voice of sanity they had in the Republican party.

 

 

Have a little patience. When i get the chance, I'm going to rip a new asshole into this clown 50 times over. I'm looking forward to it!

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Have a little patience. When i get the chance, I'm going to rip a new asshole into this clown 50 times over. I'm looking forward to it!

Speaking of patience, nice of you to wait until he died.

"Watch me kick this corpse in the head!  If he weren't already dead, he'd wish he was!!".

cco

When someone dies, it's natural for there to be an outpouring of sympathy, followed by tributes about what a wonderful human being they were. It's also, therefore, natural for there to be criticism when the dead person was a horrible human being.

Most of us don't spend every day writing invective against Robert Pickton. But if he died tomorrow, and the news were full of stories about how he was a Canadian patriot unjustly imprisoned, I daresay a fair number of us would step forward to offer the truth. Not because we were too cowardly to say anything against him while he was alive. Just because you can only take so much hagiography of pieces of shit before it's necessary to provide a counterweight.

Unionist

cco wrote:
Well, he shut her up by saying "He's not an Arab, he's a good man." So yeah. My feelings aren't all that mixed. 23 bombing runs over Vietnam. The man was a mass murderer and got lionized for serving 6 years in prison. He was a racist (said he'd never stop calling Vietnamese "gooks", voted against MLK day until it became politically inconvenient to do so) and someone who never met a war he didn't like, not to mention a crook. It's totally unsurprising the Clintons are fawning over him. Canadians who think Trump excuses McCain's crimes should be ready to defend Trump when President Richard Spencer opens up the gas chambers.

As they say: Word.

NDPP

Do NOT Let Them Make a Saint of This Asshole

https://t.co/KriLQnarMS

"If you want to see a world with more and more John McCains, with more and more US wars of aggression and regime change interventions, then by all means play right along with his public beatification..."

Noops

Let's put it this way. I for one sure won't be missing him.

NDPP

But I think it's significant that 'progressive's  can now support  the political positions of someone like this and still call themselves 'on the left' with a straight face. There was a time not so long ago if someone came onto this board raving about the Kremlin and 'Russian stooges,'  supported regime change in Venezuela or odious reactionary war-hawks like John McCain, they would be recognized as right not left. Not anymore. Scary. As is the silent surrender by those who know better. Although the classic texts say that hiding or accommodation is what bourgeois liberals always do.

"John McCain's legacy represents an unparalleled example of human decency and American service..." - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

https://twitter.com/taygogo/status/1033852844384735232

"John McCain was an American hero, a man of decency and honor and a friend of mine. He will be missed not just in the US Senate but by all Americans who respect integrity and independence..." - Bernie Sanders - 

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1033516711201386502

"John McCain had the courage not to stoop to divisive politics. He showed us that we can disagree in a way that creates dialogue and discussion, not fear and division. Rest in Peace." - Jagmeet Singh, NDP

https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1033878954661371904

Perhaps he refers to McCain voting against sanctions on Apartheid South Africa. Six times.?

Perhaps he means  McCain's quote in 2000, "I hate the Gooks and I shall hate them for as long as I live.' Or publicly calling his wife 'a c*nt and a trollop'? Or was it the similarity to NDP foreign policy preferences as in Israel, Ukraine or "Gadaffi's gone, Assad is next?"

Maybe, when all said and done, they really are pretty much all in the same club. Glad I'm not.

NDPP

Despite What the Press Says, 'Maverick' McCain Has a Long and Distinguished Record of Horribleness

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/john-mccain-fake-maverick-horrible-r...

"A loathsome human being for most of his eight decades on the planet."

NDPP

'Get out of Here you Lowlife Scum!' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1033536754874241024

"When peace activists protested war criminal Henry Kissinger in the Senate in 2015, John McCain called their demonstration 'despicable' and shouted at them, 'Get out of here, you lowlife scum!"

 

"John McCain had the courage not to stoop to divisive politics. He showed us that we can disagree in a way that creates dialogue and discussion, not fear and division..." Jagmeet Singh

 

josh

Oh for God’s sake, I was no fan of the man, but we’re not talking Stalin here.  He had some progressive achievements, like campaign finance, that was eviscerated by the Supreme Court.  And his final vote was to keep “Obamacare” alive.  Not that it’s any great shakes.  One interesting side note, his mother is still alive at 106.

NDPP
NDPP

George Soros

"The ghouls are really coming out of the woodwork now. Soros to John McCain: 'I'll provide the Color Revolution, you provide the weapons, CNN will take care of the rest."

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1033699931964563459

Unionist

josh wrote:

Oh for God’s sake, I was no fan of the man, but we’re not talking Stalin here. 

It would be unnecessary to remind everyone of his crimes, if leftist icons were not lavishing so much praise on him for not being Donald Trump.

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One interesting side note, his mother is still alive at 106.

Lovely! Hope her next offspring learn from past errors.

josh

There’s a political calculation to the praise.  Since Trump vetoed a statement praising him by name.

WWWTT

This McCain character was a real special kind of evil imperialist war pig piece of useless garbage humen being! Here's my first link.

http://revcom.us/a/501/john-mccain-war-criminal-for-u-s-imperialism-en.html

Ya you're a real special kind of war pig, it's all about you hey McCain?

http://www.unz.com/article/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

And this is what you would expect from a warpig

https://truthuncensored.net/john-songbird-mccain-exposed-vietnam-vets-an...

The war pig became a senator during the Reagan years, so I suspect alot of bullshit was fabricated to glorify him. And at the same time, anything that may remotely sound embarassing was covered up.

This scum bag came from war lord royalty! Was a war pig protigy nurtured and advanced, to promote his philosophy of tyranny he held so dearly. Took Obama under his wing as his personal protege and plotted with his fellow tyrants.

This one's for you McCain. Lets never forget what you really are. A war pig!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQUXuQ6Zd9w

NDPP

No surprise either to find this warpig being remembered so fondly by the war-pig left, whose positions (Libya, Ukraine, Syria etc) are/were similar to his. Just wait till Kissinger, Bush or another of these American imperial monsters next goes, we'll get more of the same. It's disgusting and should be recognized and denounced as such. Shame on Jagmeet Singh.

John McCain Wasn't A Hero

https://jacobinmag.com/2018/john-mccain-war-not-hero-obituary-war-racism...

"John McCain's greatest achievement was convincing the world through charming banter and occasional opposition to his party's agenda that he was anything other than a reactionary, bloodthirsty war hawk."

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

John McCain Is the Perfect American Lie

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Today, Senate Republicans moved one step closer to dismantling Obamacare, potentially leaving millions of people uninsured, jacking up their premiums, and letting insurance companies cover only what they feel like covering. John McCain voted for that bill of course he did. He has always been a big talker, but when it comes to the actual meat-and-potatoes voting process, he falls in line. He didn’t do the right thing. He didn’t even come within 500 yards of doing the right thing. For the past two decades, he has never done the right thing. He’s a fraud. Alex Pareene had him nailed ages ago. In fact, it’s “nice” Republicans like McCain who provide cover for evil swine like Mitch McConnell, allowing them to gut the American security net and fuck over anyone who doesn’t live behind an iron gate.

But that didn’t stop McCain from having the gall—the unmitigated, repulsive GALL—to stand up in front of the Senate today and put on his Maverick jammies and deliver a sermon bashing the very non-legislation that, only minutes earlier, he had flown cross-country to help will into being:

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This is vile. John McCain was never anyone’s white knight. This is the man who ushered in the age of troll candidacies by tapping Sarah Palin as his running mate. This is the man who caved to Donald Trump even after Trump had the audacity to mock his time as a POW. This is the man who called his own wife a cunt in public. This is a man who has spent all this time acting as if all the Bad Republicans were forcing him to go along with their nefarious deeds while voting in lockstep with them. He is not a reluctant Republican. He’s a shitbag, same as the rest of them.

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/bO4wXQesThA

"Craziest eulogy of John McCain came from Democrat."

 

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/3CIGuscbG60

"Whitewashing McCain's warmongering by journalists and celebrities."

WWWTT

Kudos for NDPP for being brave enough to mention Jagmeets comments!

But first here’s a reminder that the corporate circus freek side show main attraction Justin jumped all over the war criminal’s death in a feeble attempt to bolster poll numbers!

http://us.pressfrom.com/news/offbeat/-180943-trudeau-praises-mccain-as-an-american-patriot-and-hero/

Now Jagmeet. Your a big disappointment Jag! Let’s call this your “Thomas Mulcair” moment!

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/2018/08/27/jagmeet-singh-john-mccain-tweet/

Good luck at that Burnaby bi election. Would it have been so hard to keep your mouth shut? You’ve only got yourself to blame Jag. 

bekayne

epaulo13 wrote:

John McCain Is the Perfect American Lie

quote:

Today, Senate Republicans moved one step closer to dismantling Obamacare, potentially leaving millions of people uninsured, jacking up their premiums, and letting insurance companies cover only what they feel like covering. John McCain voted for that bill of course he did. He has always been a big talker, but when it comes to the actual meat-and-potatoes voting process, he falls in line. He didn’t do the right thing. He didn’t even come within 500 yards of doing the right thing. For the past two decades, he has never done the right thing. He’s a fraud. Alex Pareene had him nailed ages ago. In fact, it’s “nice” Republicans like McCain who provide cover for evil swine like Mitch McConnell, allowing them to gut the American security net and fuck over anyone who doesn’t live behind an iron gate.

But that didn’t stop McCain from having the gall—the unmitigated, repulsive GALL—to stand up in front of the Senate today and put on his Maverick jammies and deliver a sermon bashing the very non-legislation that, only minutes earlier, he had flown cross-country to help will into being:

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This is vile. John McCain was never anyone’s white knight. This is the man who ushered in the age of troll candidacies by tapping Sarah Palin as his running mate. This is the man who caved to Donald Trump even after Trump had the audacity to mock his time as a POW. This is the man who called his own wife a cunt in public. This is a man who has spent all this time acting as if all the Bad Republicans were forcing him to go along with their nefarious deeds while voting in lockstep with them. He is not a reluctant Republican. He’s a shitbag, same as the rest of them.

Uh, do you remember what happened 2 days after that article was written?

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..no but i'm guessing you do. share already.

NDPP

The Other Side of John McCain

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/27/the-other-side-of-john-mccain/

"If the paeans to McCain by diverse political climbers seem detached from reality, it's because they reflect the elite view of US military interventions as a chess game, with the millions killed by unprovoked aggression mere statistics, says Max Blumenthal."

bekayne

epaulo13 wrote:

..no but i'm guessing you do. share already.

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-health-care-vote-video-break...

NDPP

John McCain's Complicated, Inscrutable Legacy on Obamacare

https://slate.com/business/2018/08/john-mccains-health-care-legacy-did-h...

"If the eulogies piling up now are any hint, John McCain is going to be remembered, among many other things, as the unlikely savior of Obamacare. Whether the senator from Arizona entirely deserves that legacy, or would even want it, is a lot less obvious."

 

Did John McCain's Vote Stop the ACA Repeal for the 2017 Fiscal Year

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mccains-vote-obamacare-repeal/

Claim: Sen John McCain's vote against a 'skinny repeal' health care proposal stopped attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act for FY 17.

Rating: FALSE

(Don't trust Snopes myself but others here do...)

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Rikardo

Le Devoir's François Brousseau and Le Journal de Montréal's Josée Legault both write admiringly of McCain.  Its Trump... Had McCain died during Obama's reign it would have been different.  Brousseau is le Devoir and Radio-Canada's foreign affairs guru. He perhaps more than anyone dictates how a lot of literary Québecois see the world.  Thanks for all the good links to NDPP, etc. 

josh

Yes, a lot of this praise for McCain is a bankshot attack on a Trump.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

I think that if Stalin died today, lots of people would find something nice to say about him.

Heck, he died decades ago, and some people still have nice things to say about him.

I'm not suggesting this is a left/right thing, or that the left is "even worse", but people seem to like to say nice things about someone after they've just croaked, even if they've done questionable things, but moreso if they've done a few good things along with the questionable things.

Jagmeet was also charitable when Castro died.

WWWTT

Mr Magoo wrote

I think that if Stalin died today, lots of people would find something nice to say about him.

Why not Hitler? Leopold 2? Churchill Nixon Mussolini or even Antonio de Oliveira Salazar?

NDPP

"...Five years ago, Mother Jones published this map showing a dozen  countries where extreme warmonger John McCain wanted war. Now it is yearning for him to return. Trump and Russiagate have really melted liberals' brains. They are now praising right-wing hawks like McCain and Bush."

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1034644110395748359

 

No Remorse: Reflections on Radical 'Purism'

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/29/no-remorse-reflections-on-radica...

"...'An unparalleled example of human decency and American service.'? Seriously? These are depressing words to hear or read from the mouth, pen, and/or Twitter feed of a 'democratic socialist' regarding a man like 'Maverick McCain'...what's Bernie Sanders' excuse...?"

josh

Mr. Magoo wrote:

I think that if Stalin died today, lots of people would find something nice to say about him.

Heck, he died decades ago, and some people still have nice things to say about him.

I'm not suggesting this is a left/right thing, or that the left is "even worse", but people seem to like to say nice things about someone after they've just croaked, even if they've done questionable things, but moreso if they've done a few good things along with the questionable things.

Jagmeet was also charitable when Castro died.

Stalin was instrumental in defeating the Nazis.  As detestable as he was, that’s deserving of praise, or at least acknowledgment and credit.

NDPP

'The Human Rights Community Lost A Champion' - WaPo-

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1034632431062712320

"The world has gone mad and those of us who are anti-war are the only sane people..."

'Goodbye John McCain' - A Musical Tribute

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=aTvoy_1535588183

NDPP

The Manufactured McCain and the Real McCain

https://blackagendareport.com/manufactured-mccain-lifelong-bloodshed-ven...

"The real McCain was no hero. He was a lying, bribe taking, neo-nazi sympathizing politician and war criminal, who served the US empire and himself for all of his long life."

https://twitter.com/cafreeland/status/864615822404268032

NDPP

John McCain: Hawkish Voice of Military Industrial Complex, Paved Way for Trump (and vid)

https://therealnews.com/stories/john-mccain-hawkish-voice-of-military-in...

"John McCain was an extreme war hawk who represented the military-industrial complex on Capitol Hill."

NDPP

NATO May Name New Headquarters after McCain

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1035958270022836224

"Fitting considering John McCain was the US Senate's foremost champion of NATO bombing..."

NDPP

From Venezuela to McCain, Media and Human Rights Industry on Same Page

https://twitter.com/rosendo_joe/status/1035642479662575616

"The victims of empire are never more invisible than when it is time to whitewash a departed warmonger..."

NDPP

McCain's Funeral Was A Disgusting Exercise in Historical Revisionism

https://on.rt.com/9dji

"This is about a historical revisionism at its most disgusting and unacceptable..."

 

John McCain Was 'A Friend To Canada' Says Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/john-mccain-was-a-friend-to-canada-says-de...

"He was just a tremendous man with a great heart..."

One war criminal to another.

WWWTT

All this outpouring for McCain as far as I'm concerned only shows that McCain was a central war lord plotting and mapping out the imperial American course.

It's kind of symbolic, as the US imperial war machine is starting to diminish, one of it's war lord cheerleeders dies. The death of one of the American imperial central war lords should slow down the war machine a little we should hope

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

McCain was just one of 100 Senators.  He didn't have the nuke codes, WWWTT.

NDPP

"Wikileaks documents show that Senator McCain's prime legacy is to have pushed a series of calamitous Saud-Netanyahu foreign policy positions, destroying Iraq, Syria and Libya -- leading to the refugee crisis and ISIS. The John McCain Institute received at least $1m from Saudi Arabia."

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1036394155629588481

Canada supported all of those same positions.

Mobo2000

Yves says it well:

https://www.rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/john-mccain...

... with a zinger at the end:

"Somebody should buy Jagmeet Singh a T-shirt that says: "I pissed on the world's downtrodden to ingratiate myself with the mainstream establishment but all I got was this lousy shirt."