Kremlingate part 2

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Kremlingate part 2

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NDPP

Dr Jill Stein on 'Russiagate'

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1035660180242030593

"Russiagate is part of the establishment parties' strategy to silence any discussion of international relations outside the bipartisan consensus of endless war and global military domination. How else could they take trillions of dollars for war while American communities crumble?"

JKR

So 'Kremlingate" has nothing to do with Donald Trump? Someone should tell Mueller this before he indicts and convicts more people!

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/6asqzcS-fQk

"Americans want better relations with Russia not sanctions - new poll."

WWWTT

Not surprised by the timing of the release of this poll here. From what I'm reading and hearing, there's going to be a huge concentrated retaliation against the US dollar coming. Economic retaliation or possible the US got wind of this and was just making a pre emptive tarrif hit on many countries?

Either way, the countries so far planning to dump the US petro buck are Russia, Turkey Iran. and Germany. I suspect that China is in there as well and wouldn't rule out India?

This subject really deserves it's own thread because it's too far seperated from this one. Perhaps you can pick up on it NDPP?

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Either way, the countries so far planning to dump the US petro buck are Russia, Turkey Iran. and Germany. I suspect that China is in there as well and wouldn't rule out India?

It seems that the EU -- which includes Germany -- intends to buy oil from Iran using Euros.

Is that a "rejection" of U.S. greenbacks?

Or just the EU using their own currency?

WWWTT

Hi Mr Magoo. Yes this is a large attack on the US dollar. I only understand the simple version of how this works. About 10 years ago or so, the US dollar was the main currency standard around the world. When every country buys and sells goods from to another country, it is done in US dollars. And the US makes a profit from this. Even though they literally only just print the money. Apparently this gives the US a huge huge huge economic advantage several ways and it's supposed to be one of the root causes of all the conflicts in North Africa/ Middle East and is central to US imperialism.

But China started to change this when their economy started challenging the US say 5-10 years ago? They offered their trading parties the opportunity to ditch the US dollar and trade directly. This would result in 1-2% reduction in cost for both trading parties. Naturally this pisses off the US monopoly on currency. And rumour has it the US started the Arab spring to slow this  errosion eating at the US dollar or was an attempt to stop it completely due to the fact that oil trading is the main prop for the US dollar.

Now I don't understand how all of this works, just a simple version.

A speculation I have is that the US backed Arab spring has turned out to be a huge failure and has only had the opposite intended affect. The damage to the US credibility and huge cost to their economy has allowed China to walk right in and create opportunities in vast regions including almost every region of the world. Also India is now more than eager to get rid of the US dollar because they see it for what it is, cutting into India's profit. But India seems to be playing a couple different sides or I haven't read enough on India to get a solid grip? But they're clearly still wanting to buy Iranian oil using direct Ruppee trading

And going back to my other earlier comment, from what I'm seeing on Chinese news and from a few different articles links, it looks like there may be a concentrated dump in the US dollar.

Sorry but this is serious thread drift and really this subject should have it's own thread,

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/fVoIfLjGndQ

Poll: Most Americans skeptical of RussiaGate

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/y3ZLsp1v5iY

"DHS official admits Russia did NOT 'attack' elections  of 21 states."

NDPP

Gallup Chief: Americans Have 'Dismissed' Idea that Trump Acted Illegally With Russia (and vid)

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1039668929629704195

"Gallup Editor-in-Chief Frank Newport said on Tuesday that Americans have come to reject the idea that President Trump did anything criminal with regards to Russian interference in the 2016 election. 'A lot of Americans have kind of dismissed the idea that he [Trump] colluded to the extent that he did something illegal,' Newport told Hill TV's Joe Concha on 'What America's Thinking.'

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NDPP wrote:

Gallup Chief: Americans Have 'Dismissed' Idea that Trump Acted Illegally With Russia (and vid)

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1039668929629704195

"Gallup Editor-in-Chief Frank Newport said on Tuesday that Americans have come to reject the idea that President Trump did anything criminal with regards to Russian interference in the 2016 election. 'A lot of Americans have kind of dismissed the idea that he [Trump] colluded to the extent that he did something illegal,' Newport told Hill TV's Joe Concha on 'What America's Thinking.'

So, are you suggesting that whatever the majority or Americans believe must be the truth, or what?

NDPP

I'm posting a Hill interview with Gallup's Editor in Chief. I'll leave its implications, including on the upcoming midterms, to the reader...

josh
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The question I have people who are calling it a hoax/witchhunt is why wouldn't Russia (Or Israel, or Saudi Arabia)  take advantage of the opportunity Trump presents.

bekayne

Pogo wrote:

The question I have people who are calling it a hoax/witchhunt is why wouldn't Russia (Or Israel, or Saudi Arabia)  take advantage of the opportunity Trump presents.

Those two certainly are.

josh

Pogo wrote:

The question I have people who are calling it a hoax/witchhunt is why wouldn't Russia (Or Israel, or Saudi Arabia)  take advantage of the opportunity Trump presents.

Trump has sought to undermine NATO and the EU.  Both Russian goals.

NDPP

Nonsense.  Not only is NATO expanding but Trump has successfully extracted even more funding from its members. Furthermore, the real damage to the EU has been the anti-Russian sanctions which have destroyed trade relations between Europe and Russia, not to mention the consequences of America's wars. No surprise to find an American arguing for its continuing supremacy and demand we accept its enemies as our own.

Why the US Seeks to Hem in Russia, China and Iran

https://t.co/FSldIL6cWK

"The Trump administration has brought US foreign policy to the brink of crisis, if it has not already tipped into one. There is little room to argue otherwise...The bitter reality is that US foreign policy has no definable objective other than blocking the initiatives of others because they stand in the way of the further expansion of US global interests...The neoliberal crusade must proceed. Our market-driven 'rules-based' order is still advanced as the only way out of our planet's impasses...'Right now, our job is to create quagmires until we get what we want,' an administration official told the Washington Post's David Ignatius in August. Can you think of a blunter confession of intellectual bankruptcy? I can't."

President Trump is Tougher on Russia in 18 Months Than Obama in 8 Years

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397212-president-trump-is-tougher...

No surprise to find a servile Canadian government going along with it all but Canadian 'progressives' should know better.

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

 

President Trump is Tougher on Russia in 18 Months Than Obama in 8 Years

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397212-president-trump-is-tougher...

Jen Kerns has served as a GOP strategist and writer for the U.S. presidential debates for FOX News. She previously served as communications director and spokeswoman for the California Republican Party, the Colorado recalls over gun control, and the Prop. 8 battle over marriage which went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

NDPP

And to think I thought The Hill, since it is always posted here, would be preferable. I keep forgetting Russophobes' chump-world: All Democrats always speak truth and all Repugs lie, even when they don't. 

josh

Gee, you would think Trump didn't threaten to pull out of NATO, and ask countries like France to leave the EU. 

NDPP

Have no fear NATO lovers, Art of the Deal Trump didn't pull out of NATO, nor did France and America's tool is bigger and badder than ever.

josh

Manafort flips.

JKR

josh wrote:

Manafort flips.

Yet another nothingburger!!!!! How many of these nothingburgers are the McDemocrats gonna be cooking up?!?!?!? Hillllaaaarrrrryyyyyyyy!!!!!!

NDPP

Manafort Case Had Nothing To Do With Russia

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/08/21/manafort-case-had-noth...

But lest we forget...

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

https://nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-r...

"...But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a woman who would like to be the next one. At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium one..."

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josh wrote:

Gee, you would think Trump didn't threaten to pull out of NATO, and ask countries like France to leave the EU. 

I suspect that you are failing to see the nature of the game he is playing.

josh

NDPP wrote:

Manafort Case Had Nothing To Do With Russia

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/08/21/manafort-case-had-noth...

But lest we forget...

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

https://nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-r...

"...But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a woman who would like to be the next one. At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium one..."

This is the second Manafort case.

NDPP

Manafort Pushed a Pro-West Agenda in Ukraine

https://twitter.com/aarojmate/status/1040623464850378754

"One of the key talking points of the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory is that Manafort served Kremlin interests in Ukraine. Mueller's superseding indictment today shows new reasons why that's false; that in fact Manafort pushed a pro-West agenda in Ukraine. Follow along here..."

NDPP

Trump is Still No Closer to Impeachment. At What Point Do Russiagaters Lose Faith?

https://t.co/jCy8ZnjVBV

"...The only 'flipping' that's been happening is Russiagaters flipping the fuck out as their hopes are dashed to pieces time and time and time again..."

JKR

The only flipping out I see is by people desperately trying to frame "Russiagate" as being a huge nothingburger before Mueller presents his final report and recommendations.

NDPP

Manafort Guilty Plea, Cooperation Deal Rock Trump White House

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/09/17/mana-s17.html

"...Manafort admitted to engineering a scheme in which a front company was set up in Brussels to conceal Ukrainian government payments to his own lobbying firm and several others, including the Mercury Group, a bipartisan operation, the Podesta Group, run by Tony Podesta, brother of Clinton's campaign chairman, and the Skadden Arps law firm, in the person of Gregory Craig, a White House counsel under Obama and a defense lawyer during the impeachment of Bill Clinton..."

 

Lisa Page Reveals FBI Had No Evidence of Collusion for 'Russiagate' Probe

https://on.rt.com/9egv

"By the time special counsel Robert Mueller was appointed, the FBI had found no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 US presidential election, according to agency lawyer Lisa Page..."

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I don't understand the hoopla over Lisa Page. Isn't that they didn't know a perfect justification for the inquiry?

NDPP

US Intel Chairman Wants All 'Russiagate' Despositions Made Public Before Midterm Elections

https://t.co/CJRaT4Biaa

"US House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) appeared on 'Sunday Morning Futures' with host Maria Bartiromo and stated his intentions to make all the depositions taken in the Russiagate investigation public before the midterm elections. Nunes also said Americans deserve this level of transparency for an investigation that has obstructed the Trump administration's agenda and a large number of Americans 'have drank this Russia Kool-Aid' as a result..."

Excellent idea!

NDPP

Woodward: No Evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion, I Searched For Two Years

https://t.co/ZBcC9caKI2

"Bob Woodward said that in his two years of investigating for his new book, 'Fear' he found no evidence of collusion or espionage between Trump and Russia. Woodward said he looked for it 'hard' and yet turned up nothing..."

Oh no! Bob Woodward is Putin's slave too!!??

NDPP

Mum's the Word in Ukraine on Manafort Scandal and Israeli Link

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/premium-mum-s-the-word-in-ukraine-as...

"Skeletons in the closet and the fear of being branded anti-Semitic are keeping the establishment quiet about an alleged Israeli role in Paul Manafort's machinations..."

There's that elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about again. Why no concern about ISRAELI COLLUSION ?