Republican Convention, Part II

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Republican Convention, Part II

 

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Sven Sven's picture

What is McCain going to do to top Palin’s stemwinder from last night?

He’s not.

I heard this morning that the stage is going to be completely different tonight and that he’s going to have a townhall-like “conversation” the TV viewers. My guess is that he’s going to directly after [b][i]the middle voters[/b][/i]—the ones who are going to decide this election in eight weeks (on National Public Radio this morning, a poli-sci prof said that about 20% of the electorate is undecided).

500_Apples

So I'm wondering if there's any coded distinction between being a "Hockey mom" and being a "soccer mom". There are a few possibilities. There is the benign one, that there's no difference and her kids played hockey rather than soccer, which is not impossible. Another one is that hockey has a message of a more expensive sport where poor kids can't play, but my american roommate told me yesterday that was too far fetched as most americans are too unfamiliar with hockey to know it's expensive. It could also be she wants the positive impressions of soccer mom without some of the negative connotations that have grown attached, and maybe changing the label will work.

Sven Sven's picture

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Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]So I'm wondering if there's any coded distinction between being a "Hockey mom" and being a "soccer mom". There are a few possibilities. There is the benign one, that there's no difference and her kids played hockey rather than soccer, which is not impossible. Another one is that hockey has a message of a more expensive sport where poor kids can't play, but my american roommate told me yesterday that was too far fetched as most americans are too unfamiliar with hockey to know it's expensive. It could also be she wants the positive impressions of soccer mom without some of the negative connotations that have grown attached, and maybe changing the label will work.[/b]

The possibility of it being a nefarious “coded message” is extremely unlikely. As your American roommate said, most Americans (unfortunately) don’t know anything about hockey and have never even seen a live game of hockey, let alone know that the sport is expensive.

Besides, most families that I know who have kids who play hockey are just average Jane and Joe Family.

Sven Sven's picture

It will be interesting to see the polls in the next day or so to see if Palin’s speech helped McCain.

After the wonderful speech that Obama gave in Denver, there was no opportunity to see what impact that speech had on voters (I suspect it would have been very positive). About twelve hours after Obama’s speech (eight of which people spent sleeping), McCain introduced Palin as his running mate and that sucked all of the media air out of Obama’s sails.

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by Sven:
[b]After the wonderful speech that Obama gave in Denver, there was no opportunity to see what impact that speech had on voters (I suspect it would have been very positive). About twelve hours after Obama’s speech (eight of which people spent sleeping), McCain introduced Palin as his running mate and that sucked all of the media air out of Obama’s sails.[/b]

Interesting how all the Cons play from the same hand book, on how to silence your opponents.

May did the same thing up here to Layton.

500_Apples

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Originally posted by remind:
[b]

Interesting how all the Cons play from the same hand book, on how to silence your opponents.

May did the same thing up here to Layton.[/b]


For mysterious reasons the democrats opted to have their convention first.

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]For mysterious reasons the democrats opted to have their convention first.[/b]

Perhaps they actually care more about their children and not being proccupied with politics when getting their children back into school? [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

remind remind's picture

People can say what they want about Jon Stewart, but last evening on the Daily Show, he made some pretty good attacks against the Repubs and their hypocrisy. He took on Rove's hypocrisy extremely well.

The funniest things were about the Repub Senator Thompson that Jon pointed out sounds and looks like Foghorn Leghorn and Lieberman who sounds and looks like Droopy Dog, thus establishing them as cartoon characters and not just any cartoon characters, but Looney Tunes ones.

[img]http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p299/Leescomics/April/droopy.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/06/11/josephlieberman_narrowweb__300...

[img]http://thumb7.webshots.net/t/38/39/3/58/74/2471358740043194007SSaEHY_th....

[img]http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.com/image/A9408/94087/300_94087.jp...

He however forgot to point out that there is no better Looney Tunes character for Palin, than Miss Prissy

[img]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e362/laydeeebug/prissy.jpg[/img]

[img]http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/0/2008/06/26/370x278/sarah_palin_80011220...

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Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

remind, what the hell are those things sticking out of Palin's neck, just below her chin at the rear? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img]

Bookish Agrarian

That's where they inserted Dick Cheney's heart and brain into Palin. You will notice their small size, especially the heart.

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

[img]http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cheney_yeehaw.jpg?w=500&h=3...

There's still plenty of time for Cheney to do harm.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Cheney is in Georgia today, but I didn't listen to his speech (was on CNN). Anytime Cheney appears on the tube, the channel mysteriously switches to something less dark.

Joel_Goldenberg

I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned one of the audience shots during Palin's speech, that of a guy wearing a "Hoosiers for the Hot Chick" button.

ceti ceti's picture

Hockey mom --- dog whistle to aggressive assertion of whiteness. Just as the double standard over teenage pregnancy is not just racial in the obvious sense, but also in a coded message to white supremacists that white people can still have lots of kids to buck "demographic eclipse" and replenish their presumedly rapidly depleting ranks.

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]remind, what the hell are those things sticking out of Palin's neck, just below her chin at the rear? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]

Never noticed it before, but it looks to me like the make up was unable to cover her Cardassian ridges.

[img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/f/f2/Unnam...

Wilf Day

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Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]So I'm wondering if there's any coded distinction between being a "Hockey mom" and being a "soccer mom".[/b]

[url=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94279683]"You know what the difference is between a hockey mom and a pit bull?" Palin asked cheering delegates. "Lipstick."[/url]
Having watched quite a few years' worth of hockey moms in the stand of our local rink, I cannot disagree. They out-barked us dads.

The beautiful game, on the other hand, inspires less vocal passion. Or perhaps the hot weather mutes it.

remind remind's picture

Seems like she just eschewed another version of "lip stick on a pig". [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

I concur with the racist element behind the label "hockey mom".

Sven Sven's picture

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Originally posted by remind:
[b]I concur with the racist element behind the label "hockey mom".[/b]

Of course you do. You will read the most nefarious thing into what is written or said (even if it's not [b][i]actually[/b][/i] written or said).

Like I said before, Americans know about as much about ice hockey as they know about cricket...which is close to, but not precisely equal to, zero.

500_Apples

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Originally posted by Sven:
[b]

Of course you do. You will read the most nefarious thing into what is written or said (even if it's not [b][i]actually[/b][/i] written or said).

Like I said before, Americans know about as much about ice hockey as they know about cricket...which is close to, but not precisely equal to, zero.[/b]


The hockey mom label does not need all Americans to be experts. This is a very close election, and if it just has a significant effect on say one American in ten then that is all that is needed for victory.

Btw, hockey is most popular in the Midwestern states, which happen to be all the most important swing states minus Florida (Michigan Ohio Pennsylvania and Minnesota).

Sven Sven's picture

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Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]The hockey mom label does not need all Americans to be experts. This is a very close election, and if it just has a significant effect on say one American in ten then that is all that is needed for victory.[/b]

Hell, if one American in a 100 has seen a live hockey game, I’d be amazed.

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by Sven:
[b]Like I said before, Americans know about as much about ice hockey as they know about cricket...which is close to, but not precisely equal to, zero.[/b]

Will ignore another of your gratuitous personal attacks. And will just say:

BS, and fabrications, where all the national "cricket teams" throughout the USA?

I guess that would mean the USA does not have a Olympic hockey team, nor a world women's hockey team either? In fact. wiki says it is more popular than soccer in the USA.

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Sports in the United States are an important part of the national culture. However, the sporting culture of the U.S. is different from that of many other countries. Compared to any other nation, Americans prefer a unique set of sports. For example, soccer, the most popular sport in many other countries, is not as popular in the U.S. compared to the four most popular team sports, namely, American football, basketball, baseball, and ice hockey. The major leagues of each of these sports enjoy massive media exposure and are considered the preeminent competitions in their respective sports in the world. The preeminence of the major leagues is partially attributed to their strong financial power and huge domestic market, as well as the fact that relatively few other countries play some of their dominant sports, like American football, to any significant extent.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_in_the_United_States]http://en.wikip...

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According to a recent story in Street & Smith's Sports Business Journal, the NHL, with an attendance average of 16,409 fans per game, was outdrawing the NBA by 108 fannies. If the figures hold for the rest of the regular season, it would mark the first time the NHL on average would outdraw the NBA since the 1987-88 season.

Sure, the lead has come largely from the NBA's decline, but you can't overlook what a psychological boost this is for the NHL. Just eight seasons ago, the NBA had a seemingly insurmountable 14.3% attendance lead.

So how did the NHL do it? Well, despite all the criticism the league has taken over the years for expanding faster than Dan Aykroyd's waistline, the NHL's strategy of going into markets where the NBA--or for that matter, professional football and baseball--dared not to tread, like Columbus, Nashville, and San Jose, has been a success.

But it's not just in virgin territory where the NHL is thriving. Take a look at the chart below. In the 15 markets where the NHL and NBA compete virtually head-to-head


[url=http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCM/is_7_29/ai_73023292]http://f...

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Its popularity mirrors that of women's hockey, which made its Olympic debut in 1998 and has quickly taken root at the high school level. At least 50,000 girls and women now play, up from about 6,000 in 1991, according to USA Hockey, Inc., the sport's national governing body.

"If you look at the number of teams that have gone varsity as well as club programs, it's exploded over the last decade," said Michele Amidon, USA Hockey's director of women's ice hockey operations.

In Vermont, 23 high schools have added girls hockey since 2002, according to Bob Johnson, director of student activities for the Vermont Principals Association.


[url=http://www.hockeyforum.com/womens-hockey/12645-united-states-hockey-acad... States Hockey academy for girls grows with popularity of sport [/url]

Well, I guess you should not take your personal lacks, as being the case with others in the USA! So much for your "almost" zero fabrication. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Every game I've watched on the telly from an American arena (not many, I admit) appeared to be sold out.

Sven Sven's picture

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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]Every game I've watched on the telly from an American arena (not many, I admit) appeared to be sold out.[/b]

A lot of them are. The Blackhawks have a 19,000 seat arena in a metro area of about 10 million people and they can't sell it out. Even here in Minnesota (the "State of Hockey"), I'm amazed at how many people have never been to a hockey game before.

I suspect that the rough order of popularity in America you'd find:

1. NFL football
2. NASCAR
3. College football
4. MLB baseball
5. NBA basketball
6. College basketball
7. PGA golf

Hockey sits way down somewhere with boxing, soccer, and tennis.

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]Every game I've watched on the telly from an American arena (not many, I admit) appeared to be sold out.[/b]

As I noted above, it is the 4th most popular sport in the USA, some people are just trying to pretend/appear they know something, when it appears they know almost "zero".

Sven Sven's picture

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Originally posted by remind:
[b]I guess that would mean the USA does not have a Olympic hockey team, nor a world women's hockey team either?[/b]

This is a perfect example of what I've been talking about. Me saying that very few people watch hockey in America is [b][i]not equivalent to[/b][/i] saying there is "no hockey in America".

Sven Sven's picture

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Originally posted by remind:
[b]
As I noted above, it is the 4th most popular sport in the USA, some people are just trying to pretend/appear they know something, when it appears they know almost "zero".[/b]

Again, you should learn to read. The wiki article says that hockey is the fourth most popular [b][i]team[/b][/i] sport. And, that is a distant fourth team sport.

In a country with over 300 million people, the Stanley Cup in 2007 only had a 1.1 TV share in America (only about one million households watched it). That's a microscopic share.

remind remind's picture

Nice try sven but you did not say:

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very few people watch hockey in America

You said:

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Originally posted by Sven:
...Like I said before, Americans know about as much about ice hockey as they know about cricket...which is close to, but not precisely equal to,[b] zero.[/b]

and

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Hockey sits way down somewhere with boxing, soccer, and tennis.

When indeed it is the 4th largest sport in the USA.

Keep on spinning and trying to attack to cover your backtracks and wrong propaganda spewed.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Do we need two threads for Remind and Sven to argue about the importance of hockey in America?

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check]Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention [/url]

excerpt:

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

Sven Sven's picture

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Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
[b]Do we need two threads for Remind and Sven to argue about the importance of hockey in America?[/b]

No, but maybe a thread is needed to explore the "code" that the term "hockey mom" is supposed to mean. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
[b]Do we need two threads for Remind and Sven to argue about the importance of hockey in America?[/b]

Nope, and my apologies for taking a shot at Sven's BS into the other thread.

As such, I started a new Palin thread
[url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=004236&p... as I am sure there is going to be lots more about her forthcoming.

Doug

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Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]So I'm wondering if there's any coded distinction between being a "Hockey mom" and being a "soccer mom". [/b]

I don't think so - she just wants to be regarded as an ordinary soccer mom, except she isn't one since she's from Alaska and soccer isn't the big thing there.

Bookish Agrarian

I've heard my partner descibe herself as a hockey mom, in certian situations. But then again she plays and coaches hockey and could knock most hockey dads on the tim bit arses, so maybe that's different.

I don't think it is code for anything, just a way of saying I am involved in my kids life. Of all the things she has said that I found offensive, this ain't one of them.

Bookish Agrarian

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Originally posted by remind:
[b]I concur with the racist element behind the label "hockey mom".[/b]

With respect that's just silly. I don't see soccer mom as wink wink racist, or nascar dad.

I would go along with a class issue, but even that is a hasty generalization.

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.[/b]


This is a Rove lie, exposed by Jon Stewart last night, that Huckabee is spewing, and he bought it, egg on his face or what?

Another lie is how Faux news, namely O'Reilly, is trying to spin the VP's daughter's teen pregnancy into nothing, after their/his overblown production against Jamie Lynn Spear's and her parents, where O'Reilly claimed it was her parents lack of parenting that caused their daughter's pregnancy. He called them pin heads even. But not so it seems for Palin, and the hyprocrit Repubs, it seems they do not blame Palin at all!

And the Repubs carried on and on about Bills' blowjob in the White House and the message it would send to children, yet think nothing of the message that Palin's drop out of school pregnant teen age daughter would send to teenagers across America.

[url=http://mediaputz.com/08/09/putz0904.html]http://mediaputz.com/08/09/putz...

Scott Piatkowski Scott Piatkowski's picture

quote:


Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.[/b]


And that doesn't even count the votes that he got in 1988 while running for President.

remind remind's picture

It would seem like McCain's speech was worth not much eh?! Not even a little buzz of what he said, on here, compared to Palin's of last night!

ETA: Just saw the last portion of MCcains speech, and his walking off of the stage. His movements looked doddering, or something less than vigorus and responsive to his commands. Is this campaign going to be too much for him physically?

[ 04 September 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

Doug
remind remind's picture

[img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] That's about what it appeared to be.

ghoris

Great minds think alike: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW5Eqycf4d4]"The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time..."[/url]

Scott Piatkowski Scott Piatkowski's picture

McCain's speech was weak on content and even worse on delivery. You could almost feel sorry for him, until you remember the evil thing.

It's Me D

remind: love the unexpected Trek reference! The Republicans have a lot in common with those Cardis as well, for example they share a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

Scott Piatkowski Scott Piatkowski's picture
remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by It's Me D:
[b]remind: love the unexpected Trek reference! The Republicans have a lot in common with those Cardis as well, for example they share a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]

[img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] Amongst many other attributes!

martin dufresne

Hey, CODEPINK feminists managed to disrupt both speeches before being dragged from the conference hall. Check out their [url=http://codepink4peace.org/blog/]blog[/url].

500_Apples

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Originally posted by remind:
[b] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] Amongst many other attributes![/b]

The Cardassians are not the only extra terrestrial forces supporting John McCain.

The Cylons also support McCain.

[img]http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f146/k1kasper/Political/Cylons_For_McC...

[img]http://activote.com/files/imagecache/blog_image/files/mccainortigh.png[/...

[img]http://cache.thephoenix.com/secure/uploadedImages/The_Phoenix/News/This_...

[url=http://thephoenix.com/boston/News/60707-Cylons-for-McCain/]More similarities between Colonel Tigh and Senator McCain[/url]

It's Me D

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The Cylons also support McCain.

Nice one! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

remind remind's picture

Hmmmm, maybe we all are living in the midst of a Gene Roddenbury construct! [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

[url=http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23557989437&ref=share]Is this a bunch of BS or the truth?[/url]

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Had he not been the son and grandson of admirals, there is scant chance he would have been admitted to the U.S. Naval Academy. Given his behavior patterns and academics, had he not been the son and grandson of admirals, there is little doubt he would have been thrown out. Instead, in 1958 he managed to graduate 894 out of 899. Had he not been the son and grandson of admirals, he is no chance he would have been accepted into the prestigious naval flight training program over far better qualified officers. On his way to becoming a North Vietnamese ace, the aviator lost 3 expensive aircraft on routine, non-combat flights. Little was made of all that, because he was, you know, the son and grandson of admirals.

McCain’s most horrendous loss occurred in 1967 on the USS Forrestal. Well, not horrendous for him. The starter motor switch on the A4E Skyhawk allowed fuel to pool in the engine. When the aircraft was “wet-started,” an impressive flame would shoot from the tail. It was one of the ways young hot-shots got their jollies. Investigators and survivors took the position that McCain deliberately wet-started to harass the F4 pilot directly behind him. The cook off launched an M34 Zuni rocket that tore through the Skyhawk’s fuel tank, released a thousand pound bomb, and ignited a fire that killed the pilot plus 167 men. Before the tally of dead and dying was complete, the son and grandson of admirals had been transferred to the USS Oriskany.

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