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The Exercise of Power

The “class-struggle social democracy” of Bernie Sanders is exceedingly difficult to pull off. If he wins, he'll face structural pressure to compromise: administering a capitalist state requires maintaining corporate profits. We'll need to create our own pressure through strikes and protests.

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Quite simply, despite the promising revival of socialist ideas, despite the recent growth of the Democratic Socialists of America, despite the popularity of left-wing leaders like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, we’re in an almost unprecedented state of weakness. But we can’t just wait for street movements to appear out of nowhere. We need to contest elections, to use the opportunity to communicate our message to millions. More than that we need to actually win those elections and “exercise power” today, laying the groundwork for more radical change in the future, while at the same time depriving the Right of strength.

We need, in other words, a Bernie Sanders presidency. Sanders advocates social-democratic demands. But they represent something far different from modern social democracy. Whereas postwar social democracy morphed into a tool to suppress class conflict in favor of tripartite arrangements among business, labor, and the state, Sanders encourages a renewal of class antagonism and movements from below.

To Sanders, the path to reform is through confrontation with elites. Rather than talking about an entire nation struggling together to restore the US economy and shared prosperity, and rather than seeking to negotiate a better settlement with business leaders, Sanders’s movement is about creating a “political revolution” to get what is rightfully ours from “millionaires and billionaires.” His program leads to polarization along class lines; indeed, it calls for it.

Sanders was trained as a student in the Young People’s Socialist League and through trade union and civil rights organizing. His worldview was formed by this unusual background. He doesn’t represent a moderate alternative to more militant socialist demands, but a radical alternative to a decrepit liberal center.

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Our solution is a vague one, but it involves creating some pressure of our own. Street protests and strikes can discipline wayward candidates for not going along with a redistributive agenda and force businesses to make concessions to reformers once they are elected. Elected officials, too, can push measures that make it easier to undertake these actions.

NDPP

Fear the 'Bern?' Bernie Sanders is Too Left for the Democratic Party

https://blackagendareport.com/fear-bern-bernie-sanders-too-left-democrat...

"The Democratic Party would much rather Trump secure another term than Sanders face off against the orange billionaire in the general election..."

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/EnlEVf7oaVQ

"Wasserman-Schultz threatens kicking Bernie out of party over Venezuela."

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A Radical Choice

As part of his campaign rollout in late February, Vermont senator Bernie Sanders appointed four national co-chairs to helm his bid for the presidency. While the selection of Ohio state senator Nina Turner, California representative Ro Khanna, and Ben and Jerry’s co-founder Ben Cohen surprised few, Sanders’s fourth choice was atypical.

Carmen Yulín Cruz is, by all traditional measures, an odd choice. The current mayor of Puerto Rico’s capital city, San Juan, she has neither fundraising acumen nor a substantial electoral base that will play a major role in the Democratic primaries. Never before has a Puerto Rican officeholder been given such a prominent position in an American presidential campaign. Not once has a presidential contender so explicitly embraced a Puerto Rican politician on the left-wing of one of the island’s two major political parties.

When she came to prominence in the aftermath of Hurricane María, Cruz was at the beginning of her second term as mayor of San Juan. She had first stepped into this role in 2012, in one of the most surprising recent upsets in Puerto Rican politics.

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But Yulín Cruz defied expectations. Her speeches on the campaign trail were electric; her shrewd use of social media and cultivation of the press helped her overcome a dramatic disadvantage in fundraising. Her alliances with trade unions, student groups, and pro-independence factions all proved astute, as did her promises to administer the city transparently.

Her first term saw a marked improvement in San Juan’s infrastructure as well as success in ratifying collective agreements with municipal employees. Those achievements, coupled with a mediocre opponent, ensured her reelection in 2016 — even as the rest of her party was decimated at the polls. To the chagrin of the unimaginative PDP elites — who resent her popularity and question her more strident denunciations of Puerto Rico’s colonial relationship with the United States — she is, by far, the party’s most potent electoral force.

lagatta4

That is certainly impressive, as imperialist and colonial relationships is where even the most sincere social-democrats - and even communists - in imperialist countries fall down.

Ward

Sanders will throw his support to Yang

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Ward wrote:

Sanders will throw his support to Yang

Do you think you could flesh out the scenario you see leading up to this event? For example, do you think that Yang will get more votes than Sanders in Iowa and New Hampshire, leading Sanders to drop out and support him? While he has a number of interesting ideas, Andrew Yang is currently struggling to get over the 1% polling barrier that he needs to qualify for the debates. In your scenario, does he electrify the Democratic electorate in those debates and become the strongest non-corporate candidate? How do you imagine this all happening?

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/jE_a930BPT4

"Craziest Bernie smears of all time!"

WWWTT

@Michael Moriarity 

why don’t you just say it? Yang has Chinese parents, he’s going to win shit nothing in the #1 China demonizing country, the US!

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

WWWTT wrote:

@Michael Moriarity 

why don’t you just say it? Yang has Chinese parents, he’s going to win shit nothing in the #1 China demonizing country, the US!

I don't say it because it isn't my opinion. Yang's ethnicity plays no part in my analysis of his chances in the primary.

Ward

Sanders is just too reasonable and would prefer to retire from politics. He will trust the yanggang

WWWTT

Michael Moriarity wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

@Michael Moriarity 

why don’t you just say it? Yang has Chinese parents, he’s going to win shit nothing in the #1 China demonizing country, the US!

I don't say it because it isn't my opinion. Yang's ethnicity plays no part in my analysis of his chances in the primary.

OK fair enough then. But I reserve the right to say "you never thought a US politicians ethnicity would never play some kind of role in getting elected president?" cmon man!

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

WWWTT wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

@Michael Moriarity 

why don’t you just say it? Yang has Chinese parents, he’s going to win shit nothing in the #1 China demonizing country, the US!

I don't say it because it isn't my opinion. Yang's ethnicity plays no part in my analysis of his chances in the primary.

OK fair enough then. But I reserve the right to say "you never thought a US politicians ethnicity would never play some kind of role in getting elected president?" cmon man!

Yes, I do think that being a visible minority is a disadvantage for U.S. politicians in some places. On the other hand, there are or have been congress persons from most ethnic groups, including Chinese. Also, the election of an African American as president was something most of us old people thought we would never live to see.

My opinion is that Yang's ethnicity will not reduce his support significantly amongst Democratic primary voters, although it would hurt him somewhat in the general if he were to win the nomination. His much bigger problems are his complete lack of experience in electoral politics, and very low name recognition. Trump had no experience when he ran, but he had huge name recognition, and the Republican base is much less interested in experience as a qualification than Democrats are.

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Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Is the Political Opportunity of a Lifetime

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The Sanders campaign is a political opportunity unlike any we’ve seen in our lifetimes. With profound purpose, it raises the stakes to fit the magnitude of what is at stake; it challenges in national electoral terms the kind of destructive domination that has ruled with dispiriting and deadly results. “We’re going to have to fight Wall Street, neoliberals, those who don’t want the change to come,” Turner said.

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Bernie’s speech in San Francisco included clarity on some issues that has become sharper than ever, as in his denunciations of the prison-industrial complex, the cruel injustice of cash bail and systemic racism. And at last, as a presidential candidate, he is calling out by name “the military-industrial complex.”

Declaring that he aims for a presidency to challenge the bloated military budget, Bernie said: “We are not going to invest in never-ending wars.” It was a statement that caused some of the loudest cheering of the afternoon, along with chants of “No more wars!” As those chants subsided, he said: “I know it’s not easy, but our job is to lead the world away from war and invest in human needs.”

Bernie called for breaking up the big banks. And he addressed the power of the pharmaceutical and insurance industries: “When we talk about lowering prescription drug costs and moving to Medicare for All, we have got to recognize, we have a battle in front of us. These guys will spend endless amounts of money. Will you stand with me and take on the drug companies and the insurance companies?”

And he went on: “If we’re going to protect family-based agriculture from Vermont to California, we have got to stand up to agribusiness. We have got to stand up to the prison-industrial complex. We’ve got to stand up to the fossil fuel industry. In other words, it’s easy enough for somebody to give you a speech about all the things he or she wants to do. But those changes do not take place unless people stand up and fight back. And that is what this campaign is about.”

 

WWWTT

@Michael Moriarity

Ya hold on now, that’s all very easy to debate. All over the US and predominant white western countries there’s more non white males holding political office the further down you go (provincial/state senate/congress municipal etc etc)

This is actually a fact around the world when you exclude visible complexion and only consider religion and gender. 

The US election of a black person was something of an event that was a long long time coming. I remember hearing of this since the 1970’s! There’s huge huge symbolism in a black person being elected president of the US. I never heard anything about an American Chinese becoming president?

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

I've watched a fair number of excerpts from Sanders' Fox News town hall, although not the whole thing. My impression is that he crushed it, and Trump was watching and knows that, which is why he went on a tweet tirade against Sanders right after the event. Here is a 3.5 minute video consisting of short clips assembled by WaPo, which shows Sanders' dominance of the show. I was particularly impressed by the last minute, in which Sanders does a question/response sequence with the audience, and gets agreement on just about everything. Bernie can demolish Trump if he wins the Dem nomination, but that will be the harder task by far.

Sean in Ottawa

I disagree with handicapping Yang. Firstly, the lack of name recognition -- I do not think this is a big deal at this stage as it is something he could obtain if he impresses in the early going

I think he has some interesting positions that will get him more attention.

I also think the next candidate could easily be a dark horse, largely unknown now.

I am not sure if the US would his ideas Yang but it would be refreshing if they did.

His age is in the sweet spot. His education seems good. Amercians may like his initiative.

I don't think his ethnicity would be an issue in a run for Democrats as it may be helpful as much as it is a draw-back. A child of immigrants is also not likely to be more of a minus than a plus among Democrats.

He speaks very well and he comes across as relatable rather than elite yet still knowledgable and a thinker.

I think his candidacy will depend on his ability to show some charisma, say interesting things to get attention and of course, like anyone else avoid negative press. It will also depend on his ability to also be a compromise canddiate as the race narrows.

All of this is possible given the size of the field there is room for someone close to the back to come up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ0-HEZ4oPg

 

 

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To win from the progressive side you have to be able to dance backward in high heels.  If you are the main or close to the main opposition people will attack everything about you.  Too old/too young, experince/fresh and there will be ton of Democrat big money players doing everything they can to eliminate you as an option.  You cannot win as a progressive with out a strong campaign team.  Bernie showed last time that a less than top team will come up short.  

Bernie is the best choice.  Warren is a solid second, but she is definitely giving up lots of ideological room compared to Bernie.

Aristotleded24

Pogo wrote:
Bernie showed last time that a less than top team will come up short.

Bernie was cheated. He never had a fair chance. The DNC did everything it could to install Clinton as the candidate. If the Democratic Primary had been fair, it is very likely that this very moment President Bernie Sanders would be building a green economy and implementing Medicare for All.

Pogo wrote:
Warren is a solid second, but she is definitely giving up lots of ideological room compared to Bernie.

Warren is a traitor and a coward. She refused to endorse Bernie in 2016 when it could have made a difference in the state of Massashussets. Since then, she has refused to stick out her neck on anything. Despite her PR stunt on the subject of claiming Native American heritage, she never stood up for the water protectors at Standing Rock. Almost every other progressive position she has taken she has done so after it became clear that it had majority support. That is opportunism, not leadership.

The only other Democratic contender worthy of consideration is Tulsi Gabbard. She quit the DNC early on to call out their pro-Clinton bias. She is also solid on Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, and actually spoke up when the water protectors were under assault. She is also taking a solid, progressive, anti-war, anti-regime change foreign policy, and is much stronger on these issues than Bernie. When she isn't being ignored, she's being smeared for it. I see something very similar to the Gabbard 2020 campaign as the Bernie 2016 campaign. I think that Gabbard has the potential to do the same thing for progressive foreign policy that Bernie accomplished for progressive domestic and economic policy.

josh

Sanders was not cheated.  Clinton because she won more votes and more states.  That the DNC was in her corner did not change the outcome.  Warren is a fine candidate, as is Sanders, with some serious and progressive policy proposals.  

NorthReport

The wealth some have is quite staggering and it is often used against the left.

Bernie Sanders and the Myth of the 1 Percent

The very rich are richer than people imagine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/opinion/bernie-sanders-tax.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

josh wrote:

Sanders was not cheated.  Clinton because she won more votes and more states.  That the DNC was in her corner did not change the outcome. 

But Russian trolls on the internet did?

Sean in Ottawa

josh wrote:

Sanders was not cheated.  Clinton because she won more votes and more states.  That the DNC was in her corner did not change the outcome.  Warren is a fine candidate, as is Sanders, with some serious and progressive policy proposals.  

I do not get this. The DNC helped her make her case to the people that voted. She was not so far ahead to say that this did not make a difference. She increased her lead following this bias but it had not been there conclusively before.

BTW: with the emphasis on Russian trolls and whether or not they seeded enough to make a difference, there was certainly proof that a large number of fake news stories did help Trump. I think if the investigation had been open to considering domestic fake news and conspiracy it is likely that it would have been proven. The problem is that the US does not have enough legislation to address fake news produced domestically. As a result the only avenue was to look at the potential for foreign actors which is illegal. It is legal for Americans to lie to each other on a grand and coordinated scale -- so long as they do not get foreign help.

I keep emphasising this but we need to address a defence against all fake news being coordinated to appear organic to steal an election and stop the assumption that this is only a problem if it were to come from outside the country.

NDPP

Bernie's Millionaire Problem

https://youtu.be/ee8GedvPmBU

 

josh

kropotkin1951 wrote:

josh wrote:

Sanders was not cheated.  Clinton because she won more votes and more states.  That the DNC was in her corner did not change the outcome. 

But Russian trolls on the internet did?

Never said they did.

josh

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee pushed back against Sen. Bernie Sanders for calling Benjamin Netanyahu’s government “racist.”

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/aipac-pushes-back-after-bernie-sanders-calls-netanyahu-government-racist-1.7163211

Sean in Ottawa

josh wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

josh wrote:

Sanders was not cheated.  Clinton because she won more votes and more states.  That the DNC was in her corner did not change the outcome. 

But Russian trolls on the internet did?

Never said they did.

I think trolls on the internet did change the outcome. I am skeptical about how many were Russian.

I thin the US (and Canada) has a very serious troll problem -- due to the power and lack of accountaility of anonymous social media where a single person can be amplified through different seemingly unique accounts. Blaming it on the Russians is a convenient way of denying the depth of the problem.

I am very worried that trolls will affect our election this year.

I really wish that we could somehow find a way to limit this.

I get that some people becuase of their work need anonymity, but it is not being used just for that -- it is being used to mask the sources of attacks and exaggerate the numbers invovled in a discussion. There is no mechanism to prevent a person, particularly with some resources, from having hundreds of accounts.

There is no way to prevent fake news, due to its controversy of attracting more attention and amplification than the truth can ever muster.

Governements are desperate to not take responsibility and take every opportunity to claim the problem is from outside.

I am not one of those who thinks there is no problem coming from outside -- international entities do have an interest in each other's countries but this emphasis really minimizes the problem of this being a serious domestic issue. In the case of Canada, we are a small country so a small interest from another country can actually be substantial up against our domestic process, particularly as politics is subject to financial regulation. that we live beside the biggest economy in the world, with an interest in Canada almost as great as our own, in a market where many of these entities compete here, should not be ignored.

I will not categorically rule out Russia as a threat. Given how far I think a small investment can go, I would have to imagine that Russia does not care or has a perfect moral position to think it would not try something. I am also not naive enough to think that Canada would not try that in their elections if we thought it might advance an interest. The problem here is that Russia is considered the only threat when it is not only not the only threat but it may not be in the top three.

lagatta4

In terms of Bernie's millionaire problem, a lot of ordinary householders in Vancouver have become "millionnaires" because of the gross inflation of the housing market. But if they sell their dwelling - often modest - they'd have to pay at least as much and probably more to buy another one. He can still speak of growing inequality. I believe US senators also make a fairly high salary, and he doesn't seem the spendthrifty type. If he has a house in central Washington, that would also be worth a lot simply due to its location, unlike the same house in a small city such as Burlington Vt.

I'm not defending anyone being a millionnaire, but we have to look at current economics - and strive to reduce greatly growing inequality.

As for the Nathanyahu government, of course it is openly racist. Bernie said something like Israel is not a country of all its people but of Jews (and I think he means of Jews living anywhere, by the way a longstanding antisemitic trope). Perhaps someone remembers the precise quote. 

bekayne
Badriya

Sanders is not doing well with African-American women.  This is one of the more positive reports.  Others say he was heckled.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/25/18514995/she-the-people-elizabeth-warren-k...

 

NDPP

Stop Sanders: The Year of the Corporate Long Knives

https://blackagendareport.com/stop-sanders-year-corporate-long-knives

"It is inconceivable that the Lords of Capital will tolerate a financial industry-slayer in the White House. They will thwart his campaign - by any means necessary. The Democratic Party has become the ruling class's most important political instrument. If the core corporate imperial policies of austerity and endless war are to be perserved, the Democratic base must be kept in check -- supermajorities be damned!"

Aristotleded24

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