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lagatta4

What I fail to understand is why the proper response to a gas attack that killed people is a bombing that will ... kill more people. 

Edited to add: A friend sent me this article about Trump's flip-flop and unleashing missile strikes. 

https://theconversation.com/with-syria-missile-strikes-trump-turns-from-...

Mobo2000

Ha, yes, and I'd add that I don't understand why there seems to be to some people an appreciable moral difference between killing someone with chemical weapons and killing them with cruise missiles.

However Trump's attack on Syria accomplishes a number of things for his image and reassures the Pentagon that he will play ball with them.

It is now harder to accuse him of being "soft on Russia".    It demonstrates to the Russians and Syrians that the US is still going to be active in the region, and that the US will make sure it will be part of any "solution" in Syria.   And it demonstrates to the rest of the world that all of Trump's bluster about being President of the US, not President of the World was just noise, and the US will continue to do what it wants militarily, regardless of international law or UN approval (or the approval of most Americans). 

 

Mobo2000

From lagatta's article in #152:

"Yet the speed with which such an operation was organised, along with its unilateral and non-consultative nature, does little to dispel the fears of foreign policy realists about the Trump administration’s inconsistent and chaotic approach to world affairs.

The US military’s strikes only intensify that debate. Will the system ultimately force Trump to fall in line with a more consistent and predictable approach to foreign relations? Or will the policy bedlam ultimately prove sustainable, and make unpredictability the new norm in the international system?"

It has been argued by Chomsky and others that this apparent chaotic and unpredictability is useful to the US, because it provokes fear in rival governments, and that it is deliberately created.   That the missile strike was done so quickly, without any pretense at providing evidence or building a coalition must have been a deliberate choice.    Probably it was done this way to demonstrate power, and intimidate other governments,

NDPP

US Missile Strike Killed People Fighting Terrorists - Assad's Top Advisor to RT

https://www.rt.com/news/383889-us-strike-support-terrorists-syria/

"The United States felt they have to save the terrorists and lift their morale. And the proof for that is that Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia are the ones who supported the attack, and they are the very countries facilitating the coming of terrorists and aiming them against the Syrian people and against our country,' Bouthaina Shaaban said. 'The attack on the airbase is a violation of international law and it is a violation of our sovereignty."

US Attack in Syria A Show of Force - Russian Foreign Ministry

https://sptnkne.ws/eaAJ

"It is clear that the decision to conduct the strike was made in Washington before the incident in Idlib, which was used as a pretext for this demonstration of strength,' the Russian Foreign Ministry said."

'Take Out His Airfields': Hillary Clinton Comes Out of Woods To Warmonger

https://sptnkne.ws/ea3e

lagatta4

Oh dear. I'm virulently opposed to the US airstrikes and hope that there are protests here and elsewhere against them. But why quote Assad and his circle? 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Peace Advocates: If Trump Wanted to Help Syrians, He Would Lift Refugee Ban & Fund Humanitarian Aid

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MEDEA BENJAMIN: Well, first, let’s look at the history of the U.S. in the region and the legacy of the U.S. intervention, whether it’s Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya. It’s all been terrible for the local people. I think we, on this conversation, all care about the Syrian people. Let’s look at what we can do. And I think that means going to Congress, going out in the streets and saying we don’t want U.S. further intervention, but we do want something that will be positive for the Syrian people. That means immediately lifting of the Trump ban on Syrian refugees coming to the United States, of funding of the $5 billion that the U.N. says is desperately needed to help the humanitarian crisis facing the Syrian refugees, and demand that the U.S. work with Russia to finally come to a ceasefire and work for a political solution, and that the United Nations get involved in this. I think this is an opening that we have to seize to say enough is enough, enough people have died, more war is not the answer, let’s find a political solution.

lagatta4

Yes, absolutely. How can that bastard Trump pretend to cry about poor little dead Syrian children and not grant refuge to them and their families? 

6079_Smith_W

I understand why chemical and biological weapons are distinct from conventional weapons. Aside from the fact they are terror weapons, they, like landmines, are difficult to control, and have an effect that lasts long after the war is over.

How long? There are parts of Belgium and France which are still no-go zones, in part because of the levels of arsenic which are still there 100 years later.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mobo2000 wrote:

Hey Smith, how did the results of your investigation go?   Can you confirm for me that it was in fact Syria that used the chemical weapons?  I'd rather not wait for the Pentagon to show me their radar images.

Don't blame Smith he gets much of his information from the CBC and they like our PM have determined guilt before the evidence is even collected.

Now him and others can cheeerlead for the type of regime change that has had such momentous effect in Iraq and Libya. After all its because the West has such a deep concern for the welfare of the Syrian people that it will destroy their civil order and leave them in chaos with armed thugs roaming the country. 

Unionist

I was looking for a list of the mass murderers who used chemical warfare for a decade against the people of Southeast Asia. Can anyone help me find the link? I'd like to send it to Trudeaump to help them plan their next very very limited surgical air strike. Thanks in advance!

6079_Smith_W

It is kind of interesting that the question of notifying allies is more on people's minds than the question of whether he followed the rules and asked his own congress before he attacked Syria.

lagatta4

Perhaps this should go in activism, but any news of rallies or demos against this US bombing campaign?

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..there's this lagatta..for starters.

"Illegal Act of War": Trump's Unilateral Attack on Syria Condemned

Peace groups and activists around the world on Friday condemned President Donald Trump's missile strikes on Syria, calling the move reckless, illegal, and hypocritical.

In the U.S., a coalition of organizations—including CREDO, MoveOn.org, Peace Action, and Win Without War—warned that Trump's move was "not leadership" and "will not make our country safer nor end the tragic human suffering in Syria."

"Make no mistake, this was an illegal act of war, launched in violation of the U.S. Constitution and international law. Congress should immediately cancel its planned recess and debate and vote before any further military engagement by Donald Trump in Syria," the groups stated.

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Protests are also planned in the U.S. and Canada.

In the U.K., Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn said unilateral strikes could worsen the conflict in the region and called for renewed peace talks.

"Unilateral military action without legal authorization or independent verification risks intensifying a multi-sided conflict that has already killed hundreds of thousands of people," he said Friday.

The U.K.-based group Stop the War Coalition, which Corbyn used to chair, called for an emergency protest Friday evening, calling the airstrikes "xenophobic and reactionary."

"As well as deepening the tragedy of the Syrian people, this utterly irresponsible act threatens to widen the war and lead the West into military confrontation with Russia," the group said, additionally slamming Prime Minister Theresa May for her support of the strikes....

Unionist

And the NDP is up in arms!

lagatta4

Thanks for that! 

had enough

6079_Smith_W wrote:

That's not the most amazing part. I can't imagine the organizing it must have taken for Hillary to get over there and plant this false flag, direct all the fake coverage, then make it back in time to orchestrate the deep state takeover and launch this air strike.

I can only assume you're referring to my post, since you didn't specify. If so, do you really have that kind of childish thought process? You should be ashamed, but I doubt you are. Other comments of yours suggests that you believe a missile hitting a target wouldn't disperse a container of liquid on the ground near the blast area. Also, that 2 solutions are mixed in a military missile during flight doesn't mean they're that way in this condition, since that's a matter of long term storage, not fundamental requirement. I'd beg you to put just a few seconds of thought in to it, but I doubt you will and so won't bother. Extremely superficial thinking.

I, like everyone except very few, have no idea what happened, but until you define potentials what kind of framework do you have for investigation. I shudder when considering your possible motivation.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Apparently the US will not even discuss this latest act of war at the Security Council level. A rogue elephant nation that considers itself so Exceptional it is above any international law or norms. 

Holding up an enlarged photo of Colin Powell's “weapons of mass destruction” speech, Llorenti made an impassioned plea to hold the U.S. to account for Thursday's unprovoked attack on Syria, noting the U.S. history of imperialist interventions in other nations, including Latin America.

"Now the United States believe that they are investigators, they are attorneys, judges and they are the executioners. That's not what international law is about."

The Andean nation currently holds a non-permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council.

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Arguing that the U.S. acted unilaterally and in flagrant violation of the U.N. charter, the Bolivian envoy called for a closed-door meeting of the U.N. Security Council.

"The United States was preparing once again and carried out a unilateral attack," Llorenti said. "The missile attack, of course, is a unilateral action. They represent a serious threat to international peace and security."

United States Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley denied the request. The U.S. holds the presidency of the Security Council this month.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Bolivia-UN-Envoy-on-Syria-Attack-H...

Unionist

Hopefully people will not give a pass to this murderous escalation by Trump and his fan club. In my day, we reacted in unison against the crimes of U.S. imperialism. We didn't get diverted by pictures of beautiful babies being choked to death by sketchy not-quite-white-Christian dictators.

List of Actions against U.S. War on Syria Taking Place Across Canada

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Montreal
Hands Off Syria! Emergency Rally
Sunday, April 9th
2pm – Norman Bethune Square
Guy Street and De Maisonneuve Boulevard West, Montreal
https://www.facebook.com/events/929905453778690/

Toronto
Hands Off Syria! Emergency Rally
Saturday, April 8th
12pm – US Consulate
360 University Avenue, Toronto
https://www.facebook.com/events/391338451265427/

Ottawa
Emergency Rally: Hands Off Syria! Oppose U.S. Airstrikes!
Saturday, April 8th
12pm – US Embassy
490 Sussex Dr., Ottawa (York and Sussex)
https://www.facebook.com/events/1455903671146322/

Vancouver - Tuesday
Hands off Syria!
Tuesday, April 11th
5pm – US Consulate
1075 West Pender St, Vancouver
https://www.facebook.com/events/1888900694657701/

Halifax
Hands off Syria! -Halifax Picket
Saturday, April 8th
1pm – Victoria Park, Halifax
https://www.facebook.com/events/848280091993664/

Windsor - Friday
Emergency Picket - HANDS OFF Syria!
Friday, April 7th
5pm - Corner of Tecumseh and Ouellette, Windsor

https://www.facebook.com/events/1777242932590056/

And please let's pay a minimum of attention to the lovers of the U.S. on this board. That way, they might get tired and fuck off to somewhere where they can get more traction.

 

6079_Smith_W

Considering who on this board was arguing not too long ago that we should give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt, or that he was somehow the less militarist candidate, I am not sure which America lovers you mean, Unionist. The ones complaining about the deep state, maybe?

For that matter, who here has said they think this airstrike is a good thing?

Frankly I think it is terrifying, especially considering it ups the ante with a party that has already gotten its planes shot down crossing into airspace where it had no permission to be,  and only last month used its planes to buzz those U.S. warships in the Black Sea. And currently has a destroyer headed toward the U.S. position.

I presume they aren't paying a visit to hand over the pee tape.

But at this point I think it is anyone's guess who is at greatest risk of making even a bigger error than this one. Or the gas attack before it.

 

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

After all the bullshit of the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, I have little respect for Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. I gave up on Reporters without Borders long ago when I learned that they were heavily funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (the organization where Reagan appointed Otto Reich's handprints - he of the Iran-Contra affair).

I also have great distrust for the go to UK-based, "Human Observatory on Syria" group that is the frontline source of information for most Canadian news.

 

lagatta4

Thanks Unionist. Sending this out. Though no, I won't give a pass to Assad and his ilk either. Often such dictators were supported, backed and funded by imperialism, whether USian, British, French or whatever, and now by Russian attempts to play that game. This is all part and parcel of the imperialist system. 

Unionist

Ok, lagatta, but consider this: Whether Assad remains the head of state of Syria is none of your affair or mine. Once we forget that, we become tools of the murdering U.S. imperialists. You don't have to love Assad. You do, however, have to respect the right of the Syrian people to determine their own fate.

Unionist

laine lowe wrote:

After all the bullshit of the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, I have little respect for Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. I gave up on Reporters without Borders long ago when I learned that they were heavily funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (the organization where Reagan appointed Otto Reich's handprints - he of the Iran-Contra affair).

I also have great distrust for the go to UK-based, "Human Observatory on Syria" group that is the frontline source of information for most Canadian news.

 

Thanks for being here, laine! I have nothing to add to your comment. I agree.

lagatta4

Of course I have to respect the self-determination of the Syrian people. But the Syrian people aren't an amorphous mass; I personally know LEFTIST Syrians who were severely tortured and jailed for years by that bastard or his dad. I stand in solidarity with my comrades; obviously not with the US or UK imperialists. 

I've been protesting imperialist wars since puberty; I don't need anyone to lecture me about anti-imperialism. 

Unionist

It's none of our affair, lagatta.

lagatta4

So if Pinochet and Videla were torturing and killing our comrades, it is none of our affair because those were countries dominated by US imperialism?

 I'm no newcomer to the left, or the left of the left. Please don't lecture that I shouldn't care about the fate of comrades (whether trade-union, political or social movement) whom I actually know or have known, who were subjected to horrible things by a dictator. These dictators are very much the spawn of various imperialisms. 

6079_Smith_W

If it is none of our affair then why are we speaking in a thread about Syria?

You can choose to not have it be your affair, but I am not sure what you mean by that. If it is that none of us should interfere, well none of us are, directly.

But that the situation there has no effect here? I disagree, and not just because of the refugees some of us are trying to welcome here.

If it is that you think we shouldn't have an opinion or draw conclusions, well too bad, because most of us here do that, including you. As for saying that others opinions and conclusions aren't welcome, that's not really your call.

And what point are we disagreeing on, actually? Near as I can tell it is just the question of who poisoned all those people. How does that make one of us an imperialist and the other not?

 

6079_Smith_W

“I would not in any way attempt to extrapolate that to a change in our policy or our posture relative to our military activities in Syria today,” Tillerson said at a briefing for reporters after the U.S. strike. “There’s been no change in that status.”

White House press secretary Sean Spicer reinforced that on Friday. “First and foremost, the president believes that the Syrian government, the Assad regime, should at the minimum agree to abide by the agreements they made not to use chemical weapons,” he said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-07/u-s-launches-miss...

In other words it was a publicity stunt, and they have no idea what they are going to do next.

 

 

NDPP

Act Of Revenge: Observations From Syrian Political Commentator Afra'a Dagher

https://t.co/tm78i3bzS8

"The A-Sha' ayrat airbase was the place from which Syria fired anti-missile SAM rockets at attacking Israeli warplanes two weeks ago. Syria downed one of the four warplanes, hit another and forced the remaining two fighter jets to quickly fly out of Syrian airspace.

This is an American message to Israel; it is the good news Israel has been waiting for.

The idea that the false flag chemical attack was a US redline is a joke. The only redline in question was that of insuring the safety of al Qaeda terrorists and the state policy of Israel. To do this they had to thwart the advances of the Syrian Arab Army. This was the primary motive."

Removing Assad Would Empower ISIS Militants  -

Analyst Catherine Shakdam

https://youtu.be/YDz_pkvN094

CrossTalk: Trump's War

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/384008-trump-war-syria-is/

"In a sharp reversal, Donald Trump has decided to attack Syria. It would seem fighting IS is not his top priority now. The consequences of this decision could be dire. Is this a war Trump can win?"

'ISIS has an airforce. It is the American airforce...'

 

 

josh

6079_Smith_W wrote:

“I would not in any way attempt to extrapolate that to a change in our policy or our posture relative to our military activities in Syria today,” Tillerson said at a briefing for reporters after the U.S. strike. “There’s been no change in that status.”

White House press secretary Sean Spicer reinforced that on Friday. “First and foremost, the president believes that the Syrian government, the Assad regime, should at the minimum agree to abide by the agreements they made not to use chemical weapons,” he said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-07/u-s-launches-miss...

In other words it was a publicity stunt, and they have no idea what they are going to do next.

 

 

Of course it was.  But the corporate media got all aroused.

https://www.juancole.com/2017/04/disgust-corporate-politicians.html?utm_...

 

SeekingAPolitic...

The media is talking that russia is complicit in the Assad.  Pentagon is invesgiating if Russia helped or  covered up the chemical attack.  Something tells me that the Pentagon will not be generous to the Russia.  Neo Con talking about destroying the syrain airforce plus the safe zones concept.  We will know more when Tillerson talks about Russia/Syria it looks that Tillerson will on political sunday shows.

SeekingAPolitic...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trump-middle-east-policy-1.4061371

A little a bit of history for those may be unfamailiar with the us failure of interevetion and policy.

A small quote at the end of the article.

'''Just a week or so ago, U.S. ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley declared in a speech that "The United States is the moral conscience of the world."

To anyone who's studied Middle Eastern history, that statement is almost funny. But to the Sunnis of Iraq, the Shia of Bahrain, the Houthis of Yemen, the Palestinians, the Shia of South Lebanon, ordinary Iranians, or all those Egyptians who wanted democracy, it must be beyond frightening.'''

lagatta4

Frightening indeed. As is Justin supporting that murderous crap. 

Unionist

Hillary called for air strikes about 3 hours before Trump struck.

She couldn't convince Obama when he was in power. Finally someone is listening to her.

 

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Five Top Papers Run 18 Opinion Pieces Praising Syria Strikes–Zero Are Critical

Five major US newspapers—the New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, Wall Street Journal and New York Daily News—offered no opinion space to anyone opposed to Donald Trump’s Thursday night airstrikes. By contrast, the five papers ran a total of 18 op-eds, columns or “news analysis” articles (dressed-up opinion pieces) that either praised the strikes or criticized them for not being harsh enough:

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Due to the mostly bipartisan support for the airstrikes, it’s somewhat predictable that corporate media would follow suit. No need to debate the morality or utility of the strikes, because the scene played out per usual: Dictator commits an alleged human rights violation, the media calls on those in power to “do something” and the ticking time bomb compels immediate action, lest we look “weak” on the “global stage.” Anything that deviates from this narrative is given token attention at best.

NDPP

Statement by the PM of Canada and US Strikes in Syria

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2017/04/07/statement-prime-minister-canada-us-s...

"Canada fully supports the United States..."

elsewhere: "When Rankin was later questioned by reporters, he said that without more information, New Democrats weren't in a position to say whether they supported the American attack."

Foreign Ministry Statement on US Military Action in Syria on April 7, 2017

http://www.russianembassy.org/article/foreign-ministry-statement-on-us-m...

"...There is no doubt that the military action by the US is an attempt to divert attention from the situation in Mosul, where the campaign carried out among others by the US-led coalition has resulted in hundreds of civilian casualties and an escalating humanitarian disaster..."

"Canadian special forces have taken a more active role in the battle for Mosul...They are also providing some assistance...through the identification of targets and other tactical support from east Mosul." G&M, March 31, 2017 'Canadian Troops Assisting in Mosul'

BREAKING: US Airstrike Kills 20 Civilians, Injured Dozens in Raqqa Countryside

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-us-airstrike-kills-20-civi...

"The airstrike devastated an internet coffee-shop in Hanedah town in western Raqqa countryside. The airstrike killed more than 20 civilians and injured dozens more..."

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The premise of the NDP's official response is that Assad is guilty. I wonder if any of the leadership candidates will break with the blame Assad theme and demand proof. The rest of the statement is filled with nice words.

NDP statement on U.S. air strikes in Syria

"The chemical weapons attack against civilians this week in Syria was shocking, and is added to a tally of horror that continues to stun the world. Assad must be held accountable for these crimes.

https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-statement-us-air-strikes-syria

Unionist

Hey krop and everyone - I'm suggesting we divide this conversation into two threads, as we have often done in the past: 1) The existing one, about the events in Syria and worldwide; and 2) the attitude and positions and struggles in Canada over this problem. To that end, I've opened this: Canada and Syria - where do we stand?

And I've opened with a statement by Peter Julian, also quoting Jeremy Corbyn, which I think is far stronger than the NDP position just cited by krop.

I'm not wedded to the 2-thread proposal obviously - whatever folks think makes more sense in terms of orderly presentation etc.

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..i like the 2 thread idea. it would allow for some focus on what we can do to alter canada's stance.

lagatta4

There could even be three threads - these two and also a thread in activism about mobilising against the US actions (and perhaps other ones) and what we used to call Canadian complicity. I was unable to attend the demo here but I sent the details to quite a few people here and at least some of them were attending. 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture
Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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he couldn't convince Obama when he was in power. Finally someone is listening to her.

The man who vowed to imprison her as soon as he was sworn into office.

Do you believe, in good faith, that Trump did this because Clinton wished it?  If your answer isn't "yes, I do" then that was kind of a cheap swipe. 

Despite losing the election, and never becoming the "war President", Clinton seems to still be the scapegoat for U.S. militarism.  Isn't Trump the "breath of fresh air" any more??

Unionist

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Do you believe, in good faith, that Trump did this because Clinton wished it?  If your answer isn't "yes, I do" then that was kind of a cheap swipe.

No I don't. And rather than a cheap swipe, it was a telling demonstration of how Clinton and Trump (and Obama for that matter) slavishly represent exactly the same imperial interest, with only rhetoric and tactics differing on occasion. I do apologize that you were unable to grasp that message.

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Despite losing the election, and never becoming the "war President", Clinton seems to still be the scapegoat for U.S. militarism.  Isn't Trump the "breath of fresh air" any more??

Well, you're wrong on both counts. Clinton is no scapegoat for anything. She has been, for years, a leading politician slavishly serving what Eisenhower called the military-industrial complex. That seems rather bleeding obvious. As for Trump being a breath of fresh air, where did you get that? Putin? Breitbart? I'm sure it wasn't intended as a "cheap swipe", so I'll have to await your clarification.

The main thing that concerns me today is that Trudeau has unreservedly praised Trump's unlawful naked aggression against Syria - and that the madstream media are unanimously praising it as well, and saying that "Canada" is onside. This is an extremely dangerous development. I would hope that progressive-minded Canadians can speak as unanimously against this aggression as they did on the eve of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. But some of the comments on this board, and on Facebook and elsewhere, lead me to believe that U.S. propaganda is turning some brains into mush.

NDPP

The Khan Sherkoun Show Was Trump's Production

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/04/trumps-khan-sheikoun-production.htm...

"Those who warned that Trump would launch a new world war now lawd him for nearly doing so. 'Russia-Gate' is - for now - forgiven and forgotten. More strikes may well come."

European Governments Support Trump's Attack on Syria

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/08/euro-a08.html

"The hypocrisy and ruthlessness of the European governments is breath-taking. Although the circumstances surrounding the alleged gas attack remain unclear and everything points to an imperialist provocation, they are all supporting a war which violates international law and could quickly escalate into a confrontation with Iran and nuclear-armed Russia.

In the process, the media and politicians are discovering their sympathy for President Donald Trump, precisely at the moment when he orders Tomahawk cruise missiles to be rained down on Syria from a warship in the Mediterranean.

'Donald Trump has joined the ranks of the presidents who have gone to war and he has returned to the Middle East,' enthused Stefan Kornelius in a video message on the Suddeutsche Zeitung web site. 'America is 'back and because of a strike that nobody expected from Donald Trump.' He went on, 'The isolationist is no more, he is now an interventionist and a military interventionist at that.'

Kornelius, who has close ties to US-aligned think-tanks, could hardly control his desire for regime change in Damascus..."

One of these pre-eminent think-tanks, associated with CIA/NATO/US State is the Atlantic Council. financed in part by Raytheon - makers of the Tomahawk missiles used against Syria, at approximately $1.5 million a pop. The Crowdstrike CEO is an Atlantic Council senior fellow. Trump's ambassador to Moscow is also a member.  And of course, the ultranationalist Ukraine war-lobby, including  Ukrainian Canadian Congress types like Paul Grod and Lenna Koszarny, even Chrystia Freeland, can frequently be found there.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/news/press-releases/atlantic-council-and-...

Raytheon and the Atlantic Council

https://twitter.com/BBassem7/status/848528269993324544

ps: have those 36 missing Raytheon Tomahawks been accounted for yet...?

"The neocon-Wahhabi alliance has never been more explicitly pronounced." - Max Blumenthal

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/850465228957638656

So who really wants war in Syria...?

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Unionist wrote:

I was looking for a list of the mass murderers who used chemical warfare for a decade against the people of Southeast Asia. Can anyone help me find the link? I'd like to send it to Trudeaump to help them plan their next very very limited surgical air strike. Thanks in advance!

Sorry you woun't find any... including WW1 where they used that shit hardcore to kill each other. Remember that (WW1)? 

Saddly chenical waepons are the now "poor mans nuke"  and that makes things so complicatded on the internet that we can't even figure who really used them.

You do realize Putin and Trump agreed in the end to throw that air field under the bus.... right?     

 

iyraste1313

so who really wants war in Syria?

apparently the mass media of Canada, its political institutions, its economic elites and probably the vast majority of its intelliegncia working for the corporate institutions of higher learning.....

so what to do as a political activist? something from the ground up for sure and in condemnation of our institutions of authority...where will the movement come from in Canada?

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Bolivia UN Envoy on Syria Attack: 'History Teaches Us' US Lies to Justify Wars

Lambasting the United States' aggression against Syria, Bolivian Ambassador to the United Nations Sacha Llorenti compared the basis for the unilateral move to former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell's infamous 2003 presentation to the body, when fraudulent evidence of an alleged Iraqi weapons program was presented to justify the U.S. war on Iraq.

Holding up an enlarged photo of Colin Powell's “weapons of mass destruction” speech, Llorenti made an impassioned plea to hold the U.S. to account for Thursday's unprovoked attack on Syria, noting the U.S. history of imperialist interventions in other nations, including Latin America.

"Now the United States believe that they are investigators, they are attorneys, judges and they are the executioners. That's not what international law is about."....

NDPP

Luring Trump into Mideast Wars

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/08/luring-trump-into-mideast-wars/

"The Guardian, as fiercely anti-Trump as it is anti-Putin and anti-Assad, conceded that 'Donald Trump has made his point,' and that the next step would be up to Russia. All in all, Trump had never gotten such good press."

 

How Trump Went From Zero to Hero For the Pro-War Establishment

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/384123-trump-media-establishment-war/

"Trump's dramatic turnaround in Syria. By ordering cruise missile strikes on a sovereign state whose government the neoliberal globalists desperately want toppled, Trump has become the toast of the Endless War lobby."

 

The Israeli Plan to Capitalize on Syria's Civil War

http://www.mintpress.com/the-israeli-plan-to-capitalize-on-syrias-civil-...

"With Assad's regime proving to be more difficult to eradicate than presumed, Israel has now officially announced its plan to 'rebuild' Syria. This plan would be funded by the US and would grant Israel what it wants most - sovereignty over the energy-rich Golan Heights."

 

Stop US War Against Syria!

http://iacenter.org/4486/stop-u-s-war-against-syria/

"Those who mistakenly believed Trump would be anti-intervention may find the change shocking. Those who understand the nature of US imperialism knew it was inevitable.

[Canada], US, Turkey, Israel, Contras: Out of Syria!

SeekingAPolitic...

http://www.rferl.org/a/kremlin-says-no-putin-tillerson-meeting-planned/2...

It looks like tillerson will not meet putin on tuesday visit.  At this point tillerson is not on putin agenda.  Lavrea is the senior person tillerson will meet.

NDPP

Lavrov is Tillerson's counterpart. Seems logical for him to meet Rexxon not Putin. Besides, why  should Putin waste his time on the Americans who lie constantly, don't keep any of their agreements, and can't seem to make up their minds in any case.

'No Rhyme or Reason to Trump's Incoherent Policy in Syria'

https://youtu.be/b-e8LZBcfb4

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