Yalta at 70 and the end of the Second World War

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That report on today's Neo-Nazis has a section on Canada.

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Though Canada’s interpretation of freedom of speech is very well-known,
various odious associations and organizations — who support far-right ideology
covering up the theory and practice of superiority — operate openly in the
country.

They include, inter alia:

The Nationalist Party of Canada. It has been operating since 1977, is not
officially registered, and is headquartered in Toronto. Its leader is Don Andrews.
Its stated goal is “to promote and maintain European values and culture in
Canada.”

The National Socialist Party of Canada. It has been operating since 2006,
and is not officially registered.

Aryan Guard is a neo-Nazi movement based in Calgary. It was founded
around 2007, and was active until 2009 when — according to an open source —
“became an underground movement.” It organized nationalist parades, clashes
with pacifists, etc.

The Ku Klux Klan operated in Canada in the 1920–30s (most actively — in
the provinces of Saskatchewan and Ontario). Unlike the American “parent”
organization, its supporters caused the most damage to property, “opposed”
the Catholic Church and promoted the “ideals of the Protestant Anglo-Saxon
culture.” According to an open source, it continues to operate in Canada as an
underground organization.

Organizations of Paul Fromm, the well-known Canadian advocate of rightwing
ideas, including the Canadian Association for Free Expression, Citizens for
Foreign Aid Reform and Canada First Immigration Reform Committee — were
established since 1976. Largely, due to the names of Fromm-led organizations,
he occasionally managed to get access to mass media outlets (including major
ones, such as Fox News) as a “fighter for freedom of speech.”

Ukrainian nationalism has gathered momentum in Canada. It is due to a
fairly large number of immigrants from the territory of modern Ukraine who hold
right-wing and extreme right-wing views; who supported Ukraine’s independence
from the Soviet Union; who want “no more Russian influence”; and who
promote the “identity” of Ukrainian culture and history.

For instance, up to 2,000 “veterans” from Ukrainian SS battalions are known
to have arrived in the 1940–50s (including Vladimir Katriuk who still lives in Quebec
and has been accused of war crimes, inter alia, direct involvement in the
execution of civilians in the village of Khatyn).

The above organizations are actively involved in the attempts to falsify
the history of World War II. They encouraged Canada to officially recognize
“Holodomor”. The local administration reportedly attended ceremonies when a
number of monuments to OUN-UPA soldiers were unveiled in various regions of
the country. The most controversial organizations operating in Canada — mainly
under the auspices of the Ukrainian Canadian Congress — include the UPA
Veterans Society, League of Ukrainian Canadians, and the Brotherhood of SS
Division Veterans “Galicia”.

Ukrainian nationalist associations, and the Canadian Ukrainian Congress in
particular, work hard to promote the themes of “crimes of communism” (a monument
to its victims, including Stepan Bandera’s followers, is to be erected in
Ottawa) and “Russian aggression” against Ukraine.

The Ukrainian World Congress (UWC), an international non-governmental
organization, also plays a prominent part in this effort. The organization is

characterized by rabid Russophobia and hard-line nationalist rhetoric. Having
offices in 34 countries, the UWC seeks recognition of “Holodomor” as genocide
against the Ukrainian people, promotes the idea that the Nazi regime in
Germany and the Soviet Union bear equal responsibility
and takes part in the
campaign to glorify Nazism and some of its supporters.

Nope. No Nazis here.

But those Rooskies! Man! So right wing! And look over there! Russian invasion! Take my word for it!

If you dont' agree with us, you're with the Rooskies and the terrorists! The Rooskies are the terrorists! The terrorists are the Rooskies! And what's that under your bed?! Commies!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ygtbk

josh wrote:

Happy 75, VE Day.

 

That would be 70.

josh

Correct.

josh

Happy 70th, VE Day.

 

NDPP

Parade Relay: RT To Air Live Victory Day Commemorations From Across Russia (and vid)

http://rt.com/op-edge/256897-victory-day-parade-air/

"RT will air a live broadcast of Victory Day parades from all around Russia as part of an extensive project to mark the occasion. This is the latest in RTs special on-air and online projects dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the Great Patriotic War and the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in WW2..."

 

Victory (S2E132) (and vid)

http://rt.com/shows/in-the-now-summary/256661-victory-world-war-ii-70/

"This week 70 years ago Nazism was defeated after the deadliest war in history. Over 60 million people lost their lives in World War II. Some 30 million of those were Soviet.

The Great Patriotic War ended on the 9th of May but should never be forgotten. In this program we look back at the war and whether its legacy is dying.

History is being rewritten and joint triumphs trumped by geopolitical interests. So what happens when those who witnessed the war are gone?"

 

NDPP

Red Dragon on Black Sea Visit: Chinese Warships Join Russia's VE Day

http://sptnkne.ws/jec

"The pair of 4,000-ton Type54A Jiankai frigates - Linyi (574) and Weifang, are set to participate in Russia's Victory Day celebrations in the city of Novorossiysk; they will enter the city on May 8 and will leave it on May 12 for further joint drills with Russia in the Mediterranean.

President Xi Jinping of China has accepted an invitation from President Vladimir Putin to attend the Victory Day Parade in Moscow and is due to arrive in Russia on 8 May."

NDPP
6079_Smith_W

They don't say when the Ukrainian terrorist attack is scheduled for. Does that mean I have to sit through the whole thing?

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6079_Smith_W wrote:
They don't say when the Ukrainian terrorist attack is scheduled for. Does that mean I have to sit through the whole thing?

Zakharchenko, the DPR leader, said that he expected such attacks in Donetsk and in the DPR generally. That would be today. Don't forget that Minsk-2 violations are continuing, though badly underreported, and that this area is a war zone in which the bombing of civilians is going on.

NDPP

The Saker: Today's Victory Celebrations in Moscow Mark a Turning Point in Russian History

http://thesaker.is/todays-victory-day-celebrations-in-moscow-mark-a-turn...

"Today is truly a historical day. For the first time ever the West has boycotted the Victory Day Parade in Moscow, and also for the first time ever, Chinese forces have marched on the Beautiful Square...a profoundly symbolic shift."

NDPP

Not the first time Bec draws our attention to Russian tanks that aren't there...Laughing

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I'm a big supporter of the argument that Hitler initially won, and then lost the Second World War, before the United States got involved.

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5agLW7fTzBc]Why Hitler Lost the War: German Strategic Mistakes in WWII[/url]

6079_Smith_W

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

? Are you saying the T-14 wasn't in the parade?

More importantly, does he still honestly believe Russia isn't actively behind the war in the east?

NDPP

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

? Are you saying the T-14 wasn't in the parade?

More importantly, does he still honestly believe Russia isn't actively behind the war in the east?

The answer to the first question is no but your link doesn't work. In answer to the second, not nearly enough.

NDPP

'The Immortal Regiment'

https://youtu.be/B8tmji_2Q3w

 

CrossTalk: Remembering Victory

http://thesaker.is/crosstalk-remembering-victory/

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That Crosstalk episode had Dmitry Babich on it. Babich has some very interesting things to say about WW2 and this episode is no exception. Just as a reminder, in another episode, he made the observation of how WW2 has been converted, for many Westerners, into a war against anti-Semitism (and nothing else, and no one else "really" suffered, etc.) whose overwhelming contribution was made by the USA. This is a fabrication for the brainwashed Western masses. Here, Americans (and Canadians) are "confused" about the role of the Soviet Union in World War II, and have a "Hogan's Heroes" version of the events of World War II.

In that case, Babich pointed out that the Nazis viewed themselves as the custodians of "Western civilization" which, in their perverted vision, took the form of an ideology of white supremacism and a German "master race" , etc..  So, not just anti-Semitism but a racist ideology used to substantiate the horrific crimes against eastern Europeans and Slavs as well ...  after which the Nazis would made the occupied lands free for German "settlement", ie, they intended a thorough and complete ethnic cleansing of the east.

Anway, that's rather a long aside. In this most recent episode, his observations are just as interesting.

The first point, which is startling but actually well known, he points out that ALL the major allies (US, Russia, France, UK) cooperated with Hitler to some degree in the period 1933-1945. Babich basically says that the only exception among the participants was (maybe) Czechslovakia. And this is a remarkable contrast to the usual narrative, in which the German-Soviet non-aggression Treaty is depicted as an uncharacteristic "betrayal" of the "freedom loving" Western countries (ie, UK, USA, and France) when, in point of fact, these regimes were just as guilty as collaborating with Hitler. Britain and France, of course, presided over the betrayal of Czechslovakia in 1938, and the "neutrality" of the USA, along with its enormous economic aid to the barbarous Nazi regime was well documented. Yet, what we typically hear in the shrill Western narrative is exclusively the Soviet role, in particular in relation to the secret German-Soviet treaty after Soviet negotiations with UK, etc. went nowhere earlier in summer 1939.  

Not a big point, perhaps, but a significant one in light of current efforts to re-write the history of WWII and erase the enormous Soviet contribution - a contribution without which the Nazis would not have been defeated.  

Babich's second point of interest in that show ... is of more general significance for the present. He notes that one of the key unremembered lessons of World War II  was the danger of allowing extreme nationalistic regimes to flourish in Europe. The disturbing similarity to the present (with the UkrNazi regime) should be obvious.

Finally, Babich drew attention to the ominous similarity between the present time and the immediate pre-war period. In Spain, it became clear that the fight between the fascist ideology and the (allied) leftist and broadly democratic side was an ideological struggle of irreconcilable foes. Volunteers, who shared the ideology of Republican Spain, went to Spain to defend the ideals of the Republic. Western governments punished the volunteers, including Canadians, who were prescient enough to see the writing on the wall.

And now we see the same thing in Donetsk. Nationals from France, Germany, Sweden, etc. are volunteering to assist the resisstance in Donetsk.

Do we have a European wide war coming? That is the disturbing prospect.

Anyway, a good show but I wanted to underline Babich's contribution as I was, and am, quite impressed with his deep insights.

Incidently, Babich also pointed out a few other interesting things: he was shocked when he went to the USA in the early 1990s and discovered that they had no national holiday on May 8 or 9 regarding the Victory in Europe.  He correctly characterized much of US propaganda (in the positive sense) around WW2 as centering on this "war against anti-semitism" as outlined above. But it is also noteworthy that much of Soviet scholarship that he was exposed to (earlier) simply ignored the Holocaust and treated Jewish victims of the Nazis in Soviet territories as just another national group that the Nazis killed, when Nazi singling out of Jews was a critical and fundamental aspect of their terrible crimes and rightly must be headlined. Anti-Semitism wasn't just the Nazis doing. And that's also important to underline.

 

NDPP

Victory Day in Kharkiv

http://youtu.be/ier-aCzz2-0

"Why can't I wear a St George's ribbon? You don't understand, do you? Neither do I!.

We wish we had a friendly family with Ukrainian people, rather than a split. The leaders of the country behave very badly, not as they should. This is a fratricidal war that damages the economy and results in many victims on both sides.."

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The public demonstrations in Russia regarding VE Day was remarkable. As one commentator noted, there were 2 MILLION people demonstrating on May 9, honuring all those who gave their lives in that most noble cause to defeat the scourge of fascism. 

There were 500,000 people in Moscow alone, including their own President Putin personally leading a memorial with photos of family heroes (his own father in Putin's case). It was the largest public demonstration(s) in Russia since 1992.

 

 

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

Victory Day in Kharkiv

http://youtu.be/ier-aCzz2-0

"Why can't I wear a St George's ribbon? You don't understand, do you? Neither do I!.

We wish we had a friendly family with Ukrainian people, rather than a split. The leaders of the country behave very badly, not as they should. This is a fratricidal war that damages the economy and results in many victims on both sides.."

Considering that the mayor of that city, despite being shot in the back by a sniper, pledged to rebuild a statue of Lenin in order to keep the peace, I don't think that is a valid argument.

And if it is just a foil for wanting to see Kharkiv drawn into that conflict again, it is not an honest argument either.

 

 

NDPP

Anglo American Money Owners Organized WWII  -  by Valentin Katasarov

http://www.voltairenet.org/article187508.html

"To mark the 70th anniversary of the victory against Nazism, we publish a study of Valentin Katasanov on financing of the NSDAP and the rearmament of the Third Reich.

The author deals with new documents that confirm the organization of the Second World War by US and UK bankers, covered by President Franklin Roosevelt and Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain in the hopes of destroying the USSR."

 

Jacob Zuma: 'Those Absent From Moscow V-Day Show Short Memories For WWII Events

https://youtu.be/mGPgFlPevdM

NDPP

Victory Day in Canada: Immortal Regiment March

https://youtu.be/_wsA5sH-wkY

 

Victory Day in Kharkiv - Police Forbid Veterans St George Ribbons

https://youtu.be/0qJxMnylAbc

"I don't give a damn about Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko!"

 

A Visit From 'Svoboda' to Terrorize Veteran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01YRcwmocOE

 

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A fascinating article: The Truth About the Soviet German Non-Aggression Pact of August 23rd 1939 and Its Secret Protocol

The article goes over the deep distrust by Stalin after the events in Czechslovakia (betrayal by France and UK of the Soviet ally),  Spain (immediate diplomatic recognition of Franco's fascists and undermining of the only Soviet ally in Europe in Republican Spain) ,  the failed negotiations by the Soviets to get Britain, France and Poland to agree on an anti-Nazi alliance, the subsequent Nazi attack on Poland, etc., etc. . Also the actual text of the agreement, Russian President Putin's recent remarks, etc.

The most startling claim, backed up by some solid evidence, is that the pact and its secret protocol did NOT give eastern Poland or the Baltics to the Soviets. For this reason alone the article is worth reading.

NDPP

America's Achilles Heel  -  by Dmitry Orlov (and vid)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41827.htm

"Last Saturday, a massive Victory Parade was held in Moscow commemorating the 70-year anniversary of the surrender of Nazi Germany to the Red Army - and the erection of the Soviet flag atop the Reichstag in Berlin.

There were a few unusual aspects to this parade, which I would like to point out because they conflict with the Western official propaganda narrative..."

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Link fixed....

6079_Smith_W

Didn't give it to them?

It says that the borders of their "spheres of influence" run through the middle of Poland, and Hitler and Stalin get to decide whether Poland continues to exist as a state. So it is a wink and a nudge, but it very clearly said they were giving each other they authority to carve up Poland, and that is exactly what they did.

And it was after they signed that agreement that Stalin broke off negotiations with Britain and Poland, not because of any Polish refusal.

And it was a Nazi-Soviet attack on Poland.

Never mind that article, what really is worth reading is the comments underneath.

 

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The endless attempts by the jackboot NATO regimes, and their captive MSM, to equate the victors of World War II with the Nazi regime is really quite despicable. The regurgitation of these same animal dropping here undoubtedly performs a service to the US Empire and its endless quest for war, death, and extermination of the other.

Contrast this with the remarks of the Russian FM on the end of WW2. Remarkable.

S. Lavrov, Russian FM wrote:
Dear veterans, esteemed colleagues, friends ...

Speaking at a meeting of the Pobeda (Victory) Organising Committee on March 17, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that May 9 is a day of glory, a day of pride for our people, and a day of the utmost respect for the generation of winners. Our country played a key role in smashing Hitler’s war machine and freeing Europe and the world from the madness of Nazism. It was due to the courage, heroism and self-sacrifice of Soviet soldiers and all the peoples of the former Soviet Union, who bore the brunt of the war, that Europe was able to embark on the path of constructive development and partnership. To us, the Great Victory will forever remain a source of national pride and a foundation for bringing up the new generation in the spirit of patriotism. We are all deeply indebted to the veterans. We bow to you.

We have never divided the Victory into ours and somebody else’s. We have always praised the contribution of our anti-Hitler coalition allies, all those who fought against Nazism shoulder to shoulder in the name of truth and justice. On May 9, many heads of state and government, heads of international organisations and veterans from over 20 countries will be in Red Square. Military units from our partners in the Commonwealth of Independent States, as well as India, China, Mongolia and Serbia, will march together with Russian participants in the parade....

Unfortunately, as those events recede further into the past, the effect of the anti-Nazi vaccine, administered by the Nuremberg Trials, is beginning to wear off. Radical nationalist forces are rearing their heads, and Nazi ideas and values are being openly promoted in some countries, including those that claim to be model democracies. The attempts to falsify history, put victims and executioners on the same plane, and glorify the Nazis and their henchmen are outrageous. The aim of these actions – and President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly spoken about this – is obvious: to provoke historical and political phobias and pit entire countries and nations against each other in order to gain one-sided geopolitical advantages and achieve global domination. Russia will continue to stand fast against such attempts, which threaten the stability of the international order and the fundamental principles of democracy and human rights.

Full recognition of the results of World War II, as enshrined in the UN Charter, is imperative for all Member States. We will not allow the heroic deed of the victors over Nazism to be debased or the truth about the Great Patriotic War to be distorted. We will continue to fight racism, xenophobia, aggressive nationalism and chauvinism in all its forms. In December, a resolution condemning the glorification of Nazism, which was initiated by Russia and co-sponsored by a large number of delegations, passed by an overwhelming majority in the UN General Assembly. Today, at the initiative of Russia, our CSTO partners and China, a special session of the General Assembly to commemorate the victims of World War II will open in a few hours in New York.

Today, like never before, it is crucial to remember the lessons of that global catastrophe and the terrible consequences of faith in one’s exceptionalism. Seventy years ago, the members of the anti-Hitler coalition succeeded in rising above their ambitions and disagreements, and joined forces to defeat a common enemy and eradicate a criminal ideology of hate. Today, it is critically important that we work together, if we want to effectively address the many challenges of our time. The fate of the world cannot be determined by a single state or a narrow group of countries. Genuine security can only be equal and undivided, and can only be ensured collectively, as enshrined in the UN Charter.

70th Anniversary of the Great Patriotic War

 

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A good short little article about the Sino-Soviet contribution to the defeat of the Japanese militarists in WW2.

Russia Beyond the Headlines: Massive Sino-Soviet Contribution to Victory Over Japan Should Not Be Overlooked

We often have acrimonious debates here on babble over the years, debates in which the fiction that the use of nuclear weapons against the civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was "necessary" to bring the war to an end more quickly and "save American lives" (which were more 'valuable' than Japanese lives, the unspoken racist premise). This fiction is being debunked even by American scholars now; e.g. even film maker Oliver Stone has made a contribution here. 

The article points out the enormous contribution by China, in tying down many Japanese troops that might otherwise have been used to attack the Soviet Union. Japan declined an "invitation" by the Nazis to attack Russia precisely because they were tied down fighting the Chinese resistance to their brutal occupation. I have to admit this was new to me; even with plenty of Soviet aid, the Chinese role helped the Soviets to crush the Nazis on the other front.

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At the same time, it is also important that, despite the fact that China drew large forces of Japan, the Soviet Union still had to leave considerable military units in the Far East – up to a third of all the forces of the Red Army at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War. Thereby, as the researcher stressed, “Japan had a very negative impact on the events on the Soviet-German front.”

For those who have a poor understanding of the events of the war and who are looking for a quick bit of "proof" about the Soviet role in the defeat of Japan, one look no further than the folllowing rhetorical remark/question:

If the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki "decided" the result of the war against Japan (and the Soviet and Chinese contributions were not decisive - which is the corollary), then why was such effort put into getting the Soviets to join the war against Japan by the other Allies (US and UK) at the conferences in Potsdam, Yalta, etc.?

Those who trivialize the Soviet role have no answer other than more lies.

Anyway, some good points in the short piece and I particularly like the emphasis on the role of China.

Slumberjack

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The article points out the enormous contribution by China, in tying down many Japanese troops that might otherwise have been used to attack the Soviet Union. Japan declined an "invitation" by the Nazis to attack Russia precisely because they were tied down fighting the Chinese resistance to their brutal occupation. I have to admit this was new to me; even with plenty of Soviet aid, the Chinese role helped the Soviets to crush the Nazis on the other front.

I believe The Battle of Khalkhin Gol between Japan and the Soviet Union was enough of a deterrent in itself to cause Japan to shift it's war objectives elsewhere.

And then there was this unfortunate individual.

6079_Smith_W

ikosmos wrote:

Those who trivialize the Soviet role have no answer other than more lies.

What are you talking about now? Did those darn kids kick their ball into your yard again?

 

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Slumberjack wrote:
I believe The Battle of Khalkhin Gol between Japan and the Soviet Union was enough of a deterrent in itself to cause Japan to shift it's war objectives elsewhere.

Soviet scholars in the past claimed that with the defeat of this million man army, Japan was defeated in their strategic rear and thereby defeated generally. Hence the US use of nuclear weapons was completely unnecessary and, thus, constituted an unpunished and horrific war crime.

My understanding is that the final agreement that Japan signed differed little from the agreement they first proposed, well before the nuking of the two Japanese cities. They wanted to retain the Emperor and not have him prosecuted for war crimes, etc. And they got that key demand.

It is one of the points most anti-Soviet commentators are most obstinate on; they deny that the Allies insisted that the Soviets join the war against Japan, trivialize the Soviet contribution in that battle/conflict anyway, laud the slaughter of the thousands of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki as necessary and a means of "saving (US) lives", throw in a few racist remarks about the Japanese, and try to depict the Soviet contribution as one of "trying to grab some of the spoils of war" in Japan. And that Stalin was a bad guy who deserved to lose anyway, etc.

The article above underlines the Chinese role here and, as I noted, I think this is a good thing. Imperial Japan, like Italy in Africa, like the Nazi-supported fascists in Spain, contributed to the conflict well before its official beginning in September 1939 with the Nazi invasion of Poland. This is actually an interesting point; how should historians in the future break down this historical period?

However, as I noted above, with the avalanche of scholarship, lots of it US scholarship, refuting these noted anti-Sov fairy tales, such views are becoming the property of a shrinking, Xenophobic minority.

 

NDPP

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is Used As A Weapon Against Russia

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/05/the-molotov-ribbentrop-pact-is-used-...

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NDPP wrote:
The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is Used As A Weapon Against Russia

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/05/the-molotov-ribbentrop-pact-is-used-...

The number of so-called Non-Aggression Treaties by virtually every single European country with Nazi Germany in the 1930's is quite remarkable, as outlined by that article. This puts the breathtaking hypocrisy of the noisy denunciations of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact into an historical context; but, as we all know, when you wish to declare "an evil empire" or blame equally the Nazis and the Soviets for the start of WW2, then history is forgotten and anything goes.

This all bears a remarkable resemblance to the present; today's Russians are expected to put up with endless NATO expansion, right to their very border, as none of their busines, and, in reply to serious questions about associated ABM systems aimed at their country in the territory of these "new" NATO member states, are told that these deadly systems "aren't aimed at them" but rather aimed at unidentified terrorists, or Iran, or some other fabrication.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

6079_Smith_W

That headline did make me laugh this morning. How do you think "concentration camps being used as a weapon against the Germans" would fly?

As for non-aggression pacts, how many of them involved trading arms for oil,  military support, invading a country and committing atrocities, and offering to join the Nazis?

That would be the devil in the details that the article conveniently ignores.

 

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The important point is that all of these regimes, virtually without exception, conducted friendly state-to-state relations with the Nazi regime, [in some cases, as with Poland, dividing the spoils of a dismembered CzechSlovakia only to have its own territory overrun] which is in remarkable contrast to the official narrative, which you seem to swallow whole, in which only the Soviets had dealings with the Nazis, or truck or trade with them.

NDPP

I found the comment by 'Suvorov' below the piece also of interest:

"This article does not mention a crucial aspect of this whole story, one that is described in detail by Alexander Werth in his remarkable book, 'Russia at War', which is the most reliable source in the English language of the prelude to  and actual invasion of the USSR.

He documents in detail how the Soviet Union tried in 1939 to forge a military alliance with France and England, which would have included the territorial integrity of Poland, and committed more than twice as many Soviet troops as French and British troops.

The French and British had absolutely no interest in such an alliance. Why? Because they wanted Hitler to attack the Soviet Union and to devastate each other while they sat by and twiddled their thumbs!

THAT was the point of the Munich sellout. Stalin was no fool and brokered a non-aggression treaty of his own in order to gain a few years to rebuild the Red Army for the inevitable war with Nazi Germany. That is what really happened, not the crap that goes for history in the West."

6079_Smith_W

No. The important difference is that not all those states offered to join the Nazis, adopted Nazi racial policies (including getting rid of their foreign minister because he was Jewish - it wasn't the Litvinov-Ribbentropp pact, after all), sold war materiel and helped the Nazis with military operations, or invaded other countries and committed atrocities.

6079_Smith_W

What are you talking about? Munich happened a year prior to that.

Actually NDPP, the Poles were the ones concerned about the Soviets not leaving once they let them in the door. And in retrospect, they were right to be concerned.

Besides, it was Stalin who walked out once he had signed the papers with the Nazis.

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NDPP wrote:

I found the comment by 'Suvorov' below the piece also of interest:...

He documents in detail how the Soviet Union tried in 1939 to forge a military alliance with France and England, which would have included the territorial integrity of Poland, and committed more than twice as many Soviet troops as French and British troops.

The role of the pro-Nazi Polish regime was more significant there. They actually rejected offers by the Soviets to defend Poland against the Nazis, had long dealings with the Hitler regime, ripped part of CzechSlovakia away in 1938 along with their Nazi ally [with the blessings and kisses of England and France] and were rewarded by their leadership fleeing from the country and a Nazi invasion.

Some of these articles show just how complicated the border history in this part of the world really is. Isolating particular snapshots, especially the pathological anti-Soviet ones, for geopolitical advantage, trivializes the history. And with the current Russophobic climate, we're getting plenty of that.

6079_Smith_W

Pro- Nazi?

I seem to remember some time ago asking if you thought Poland's actions justified the Nazi invasion, given the way you are spinning this.

Never got an answer. All I see is victim-blaming and twisting history back on itself to defend a genocidal dictator.

 

 

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Even while the UK, US and Soviet Union were Allies, the UK PM Churchill was busy hatching plans to re-arm the Nazis and, allied with the remains of the Hitlerite Army, attack and destroy Russia ....

Operation Unthinkable

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In late May 1945 Josef Stalin ordered Marshall Georgy Zhukov to leave Germany and come to Moscow. He was concerned over the actions of British allies. Stalin said the Soviet forces disarmed Germans and sent them to prisoners’ camps while British did not. Instead they cooperated with Germans troops and let them maintain combat capability.

Stalin believed that there were plans to use them later. He emphasized that it was an outright violation of the inter-governmental agreements that said the forces surrendered were to be immediately disbanded. The Soviet intelligence got the text of secret telegram sent by Winston Churchill to Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery, the commander of British forces. It instructed to collect the weapons and keep them in readiness to give back to Germans in case the Soviet offensive continued.

According to the instructions received from Stalin, Zhukov harshly condemned these activities speaking at the Allied Control Council (the Soviet Union, the United States, the United Kingdom and France). He said the world history knew few examples of such treachery and refusal to observe the commitments on the part of nations that had an allied status. Montgomery denied the accusation. A few years later he admitted that he received such an instruction and carried it out. He had to comply with the order as a soldier.

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Canada refuses to extradite wanted war criminal Vladimir Katryuk to Russia.

The 93-year-old was a participant in the slaughter of civilians in Khatyn in 1943 in which all the local residents were rounded up and forced into a barn that was set on fire. Those who fled the burning building were shot.

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The commemorations around the 70th anniversary of the surrender of militaristic Japan and the defeat of fascism by China were attended by many Asian, Latin American and African countries. The NATO member states - not so much. "Western" leaders essentially shunned the event. Nor did Japan send significant representatives.This, despite the fact that China does not take the Western view of limiting the anti-fascist fight to 1939-1945 only, but includes the many years of Japanese occupation (back to 1933), etc.

This is important; China lost MORE lives, if you take the longer time frame, than the Soviets did. You don't get that fact in Western potted histories. But then, certain people seem to be valued less in the West.

China has noticed the Western shunning. Xi Jinping, on the 70th anniversary of victory over Japanese aggression and the World Anti-Fascist War.

"After making a good start, we should ensure that the cause achieves fruition."

Did you get that? I did.

Chinese President delivers Speech

Xi Jinping wrote:
Today is a day that will forever be etched in the memory of people all over the world. Seventy years ago today, the Chinese people, having fought tenaciously for 14 years, won the great victory of their War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression, marking the full victory of the World Anti-Fascist War. On that day, the world was once again blessed by the sunshine of peace....

Ladies and gentlemen,

Comrades and friends,

The Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression and the World Anti-Fascist War were a decisive battle between justice and evil, between light and darkness, and between progress and reaction. In that devastating war, the Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression started the earliest and lasted the longest. In defiance of aggression, the unyielding Chinese people fought gallantly and finally won total victory against the Japanese militarist aggressors, thus preserving China's 5,000-year-old civilization and upholding the cause of peace of mankind. This remarkable feat made by the Chinese nation was rare in the history of war.

The victory of the Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression is the first complete victory won by China in its resistance against foreign aggression in modern times. This great triumph crushed the plot of the Japanese militarists to colonize and enslave China and put an end to China's national humiliation of suffering successive defeats at the hands of foreign aggressors in modern times. This great triumph re-established China as a major country in the world and won the Chinese people respect of all peace-loving people around the world. This great triumph opened up bright prospects for the great renewal of the Chinese nation and set our ancient country on a new journey after gaining rebirth.

During the war, with huge national sacrifice, the Chinese people held ground in the main theater in the East of the World Anti-Fascist War, thus making major contribution to its victory. In their war against Japanese aggression, the Chinese people received extensive support from the international community. The Chinese people will always remember what the people of other countries did for the victory of their War of Resistance.

(unlike some other sons of b****'s ...)

"Ravaging through Asia, Europe, Africa and Oceania, that war inflicted over 100 million military and civilian casualties. China suffered over 35 million casualties and the Soviet Union lost more than 27 million lives..."

and so on. Full text.

 

6079_Smith_W

ikosmos wrote:

(unlike some other sons of b****'s ...)

Should be "bitches", and it isn't possessive.

If you are going to use a word you probably shouldn't be using here, the least you can do is spell it properly.

Or maybe just don't use it in the first place. We all know what those fucking stars mean, so who are you fooling?

And if you want to use this as a foil for what westerners did and didn't do, it might be good to mention that the westerner who did the most to save people during the invasion of Nanking was a card-carrying Nazi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe

 

 

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6079_Smith_W wrote:
, it might be good to mention that the westerner who did the most to save people during the invasion of Nanking was a card-carrying Nazi.

Interesting how you can manage to compliment a Nazi and ignore the Chinese sacrifices  altogether, in response to a contribution noting the spectacular 70th anniversary events in China recently. I guess the Chinese only merit a mention as victims, then?

That's quite skillful in an ugly sort of way. Well done, Smith.

6079_Smith_W

Not ignoring anything, ikosmos. Just responding to your comment about western omission.

Speaking of which, Xi, only mentions the people's liberation army. We shouldn't mention Chaing Kai-shek?

 

NDPP

China Declares Peace, NATO Prepares For War

http://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-declares-peace-nato-prepares-for-war...

"The experience of war makes people value peace all the more. The aim of our commemoration of the 70th anniversary of the Chinese Peoples War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression and the World Anti-Fascist War is to bear history in mind, honour all those who laid down their lives, cherish peace and open up the future..."  - Xi Jinping

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6079_Smith_W wrote:
Not ignoring anything, ikosmos. Just responding to your comment about western omission.

Speaking of which, Xi, only mentions the people's liberation army. We shouldn't mention Chaing Kai-shek?

aha ha ha ha. Why should they? Didn't the Kuomintang collude with the occupiers more than they fought them? Westerners who were in China at the time knew perfectly well who was fighting the Japanese occupiers and who was not.

6079_Smith_W

Not Chiang.

And no, actually, most of them weren't collaborators. My point was that most of those fighting for China were Nationalist. I can see why Xi wouldn't mention them, but if you want to get pedantic about omission, you might want to look at your own material.

 

 

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Russian media makes the interesting point, completely ignored in the Western MSM echo chamber, that the origin of the United Nations was at Yalta. Fascinating.

RBTH wrote:
At the Yalta Conference, which took place 70 years ago this week, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill took on the ambitious challenge of creating a geopolitical system that would prevent major global conflicts.

From Feb. 4-11, the three leaders met at the Livadia Palace in Crimea and hammered out plans for the United Nations, as well as the division of Europe into the spheres of influence that defined the post-World War II era....

One of the major compromises reached at Yalta was on the design of the UN Security Council. At Yalta, the decision was made to allow members of the Security Council to veto actions by the council. Roosevelt had proposed that issues before the Council be resolved by a majority of votes, but Stalin argued that this was unreasonable because the majority of the Security Council members were capitalist countries.

Does the world need another Yalta?

One of the contributors on Peter Lavelle's show (Crosstalk ... on RT) even went so far as to suggest another Yalta, this time involving the 3 great powers of Russia, China, and the USA, to work out an improved UN.

But, of course, Yalta is in Crimea and the Americans would probably just shit their pants.

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