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Sean in Ottawa

NorthReport wrote:

In the next election NDpers will be voting Liberal ro keep out the Cons.

They probably would have if the Liberals had not promised electoral reform precisely so they would not be blackmailed like this again. Having broken that promise, I think a good many New Democrats who might in the past have voted strategically will remember this when the Liberals do their slimey appeal. They might enjoy Trudeau having a litle karma for that proken promise.

I admit that I have never voted strategically for another party but I have considered it. I would never consider it again after this move of the Liberals. I am not alone.

Also, given the broken promise to Indigenous Canadians I can imagine that many who might have considered the Liberals now won't.

Environmentalists will remember broken promises.

Youth, who were promised electoral reform might not only not vote Liberals they may decide not to vote at all since Trudeau made such a mockery of his promises.

My prediction is that Trudeau will manage to reverse the improvement in sufferage and see a lower turnout at the polls than 2011.

I can't say who will win yet and nobody really can as it depends on too many unknowns including new leaders but the Liberals have sown their defeat -- it is now only a question of whether they, and the opposition will water it and let it come to fruition.

It is a common thing that when a government crosses the line with the voters they may not know until much later as they are still drunk on the optimism they encouraged before proving they were not going to deliver.

Canadians have to prepare for a Conservative government and will need to get ready to spank Liberal arrogance again. Hope it does not take too long and that the Conservatives do not rule long.

NDPP

Inoculate Corporate Canada From Trump's Economic Agenda, Manley Urges Trudeau

https://t.co/AjG41gsayW

What a great excuse for Canada's Big Business Lobby to extort even more...

NDPP

Canada's Corporate Elite Breathes a Sigh of Relief Following PM Trudeau's Official Visit to Washington  -  Intro by Roger Annis

https://newcoldwar.org/canadas-corporate-elite-breathes-sigh-relief-foll...

Canada is dispatching 200 soldiers to Ukraine in the latest rotation of troops who are training the Ukrainian military and paramilitary extremists to wage civil war in the east of that country. The training is conducted jointly with the US and British militaries.

Canada has simultaneously taken on the role of leading one of the four permanent 'combat' brigades that NATO is establishing at or near Russia's borders with eastern Europe. It is stepping up its military intervention in northern Iraq, conducted jointly with the US. Canada's government and military are also consulting with the US as to where, exactly, they could station a desired expeditionary brigade of 600 soldiers to Africa.

Against that backdrop, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made his first official visit to Washington on February 13. The self-proclaimed 'feminist' prime minister left behind in Canada whatever opinion he might have about Donald Trump's views and policies on global warming, the rights of immigrants and refugees, women's rights and other matters.

Trudeau's sole concern was to maintain and possibly enhance the lucrative trade between the US and Canada in all manner of manufactured products and natural resource commodities. The Canada-US trading relationship is the second largest in the world, topped only by US-China trade.

By that measure, Trudeau's visit was an unqualified success. His message on behalf of corporate Canada of unceasing fealty to the US empire, whoever may be leading it, was understood and well received. A Globe and Mail columnist called Trudeau's performance 'appeasement.'..."

blairz blairz's picture

If the Consevatives go the way of the GOP then Trudeau is probably safe. If however the party backs away from the racist nativism of Leitch and stresses the eco mic record of Liberals both nationally and in Ontario then we are headed to a hung election.

 

blairz blairz's picture

Sorry, keyboard is funky, the economic record of the libs.

Pondering

blairz wrote:

If the Consevatives go the way of the GOP then Trudeau is probably safe. If however the party backs away from the racist nativism of Leitch and stresses the eco mic record of Liberals both nationally and in Ontario then we are headed to a hung election.

Trudeau has the support of economists worldwide. He is also going to use CETA. 2018 and 2019 will see the roll out of all kinds of goodies to all constituencies.

In current polls O'Leary does well against Trudeau, although Trudeau keeps the lead. Come election time Trudeau will fight back and make O'Leary look like the bombastic cartoon that he is.

NorthReport

Wanted to start a new thread asking about about the Canadian government's role in the TD Bank scandal but new threads don't seem to be part of the new system. But I suppose we already know that Trudeau will do nothing about this

TD Bank Employees 'Forced To Lie' To Meet Sales Goals

https://www.benzinga.com/news/17/03/9158706/td-bank-employees-forced-to-...

quizzical

so Canadians paid for 500 seats to the Broadway play so Justin could hook up with Ivanka.

NDPP

The Canadian Establishment and PM Trudeau Aim At Ousting FM Chrystia Freeland

http://johnhelmer.net/the-canadian-establishment-and-prime-minister-trud...

"...The hand on the knife is not the Russian one she is reporting to the Canadian press. It's the knife in Freeland's back that is more lethal. That, it is now revealed in Ottawa is coming from a quiet group of foreign policy advisors around Prime Minister Justin Trudeau."

NorthReport

Just google Helmer. Nuff said.

NorthReport

How embarassing for Canada having our prime minister kiss the US President's ass like this

http://globalnews.ca/news/3314373/justin-trudeau-tom-brokaw-nafta/

NorthReport

How embarassing for Canada having our prime minister kiss the US President's ass like this

http://globalnews.ca/news/3314373/justin-trudeau-tom-brokaw-nafta/

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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so Canadians paid for 500 seats to the Broadway play so Justin could hook up with Ivanka.

Toronto Star has your back!

quizzical

no link working magoo.

Pondering

Aren't there enough real reasons to criticize Trudeau to make gossip irrelevant?

Trudeau invited Trump. Trump declined. Ivanka attended in his stead. No mention in the article of Trudeau buying 500 seats but what if he did? It's a Canadian production reminding Americans that we were generous on 9/11.

As to NAFTA, how would it benefit Canada for Trudeau to get aggressive at this point? Holding Trump to his word, that the tweaks will be minor, is a better negotiating tactic.

Meanwhile there is not a murmur about Trudeau's plan for massive expansion of P3s in Canada despite reports that we lose out on such deals. This will impact Canadians for generations to come.

NDPP

Oh Canada: 6 Reasons Why Trudeau Sucks

https://youtu.be/UCk9b6lxJfQ

Justin Trudeau: Top Moments

https://youtu.be/WDSwgs6UF1c

the drama teacher...

 

NDPP

Is Justin Trudeau the Post-Fact Face of Fascism

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/g-elijah-dann/is-justin-trudeau-fascist_b_1...

"What surprised me, listening to Snyder's description of the earmarks of fascism, was that Donald Trump didn't come to mind. Popping up instead was the image of our own Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, complete with sleeves rolled up on his crisp white shirt..."

Cody87

Wait, NDPP, did Trudeau deny that climate change is anthropogenic?

NorthReport
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Badriya

Cody87 wrote:

Wait, NDPP, did Trudeau deny that climate change is anthropogenic?

My reading of the link NDPP posted is that the writer said Trudeau`s position, that

"We know we can get our resources to market more safely and responsibly while meeting our climate change goals"

is as bad as Trump's denial of anthropogenic climate change.

Mobo2000

""Meanwhile there is not a murmur about Trudeau's plan for massive expansion of P3s in Canada despite reports that we lose out on such deals. This will impact Canadians for generations to come."

Yes!   This has been a liberal project for over a decade now.    It seems in the public sphere the main opposition to these P3 ripoffs is from unions.   OPSEU has run some good anti-P3 campaigns in the past couple of years in Ontario.

 

NDPP

PM Trudeau and US President Trump Talk Trade, Security at G7 Summit

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/pm-trudeau-u-president-trump-083831230...

"The prime minister and the president reaffirmed their commitment to the deepest economic partnership in the world,' said a statement Trudeau's office released following the informal meeting in Taormina, Italy. The two leaders also discussed a range of issues of mutual interest, including international security,' said the statement."

 

Sean in Ottawa

NDPP wrote:

Is Justin Trudeau the Post-Fact Face of Fascism

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/g-elijah-dann/is-justin-trudeau-fascist_b_1...

"What surprised me, listening to Snyder's description of the earmarks of fascism, was that Donald Trump didn't come to mind. Popping up instead was the image of our own Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, complete with sleeves rolled up on his crisp white shirt..."

This article is interesting because it is in some respects it is unwittingly part of the problem it is commenting on.

It sets up Trudeau as the face of Fascism. Brilliant clickbait. Who would not want to read it either to find reason to demonize or give vent to fury? The article comments on the post fact era and yet it serves itself up as an example. The comment does not try to defend with logic any reasonable connection of Fascism and Trudeau. Instead the writer merely says he  thought of Trudeau. He picked as well a part of what he calls the earmarks of Fascism, but the comment he associates with Trudeau is really not the defining element of Fascism. The point was the connection was scandelous so why hold back?

"It's the fascists who said everyday life doesn't matter; details don't matter; facts don't matter; all that matters is the message, the leader, the myth, the totality."

The comment is, on reflection, neither defining of what Trudeau is about nor Fascism. It is, in the new tradition of post fact manipulation of public comment designed to create the most extreme smear and association possible. Trudeau has not said these things, even if this may be the message delivered by some of his supporters.

The article goes on to use Trudeau's double speak on the environment and resources as an example. For a hyper-partisan person this might be good times but if you pause for a moment and think about what is really being said, it is easy to see how silly this is, and how very much part of the post fact world we are part of that you could make such a comparison.

Trudeau is as fine an example of Liberal bullshit peddler as we have ever had. But that does not make him a Fascist. Many of us saw this before he was elected. Long on promises, little on real conviction, replete with half-truths and lies all delivered with a straight earnest face. This is more traditional bullshit than some Fascist, otherwise we would have to call out every Liberal leader in the last 100 years, including our wartime WLMK. The present pro environment, pro pipeline contradiction is really a modern version of WLMK's conscription but not necessarily conscription debate -- each designed for the part of the country that would like to hear it.  And if Trudeau is guilty on this score he could share a cell with Notley, nevermind the previous Liberal and Conservative PMs. These politicians hold/held positions that are important and contradictory and they choose to present them as if they are not a contradiction.

The problem here with gross exaggerations like this is that they will be accepted by one camp and rejected by the other without any meaningful anlysis. They are so ridiculous that they serve to let Trudeau off as innocent once rather than hold him accountable for what he is much less innocent of. It is a little like accusing a person who is guilty of a break-in of murder: they will be found innocent of the charge you make and you distract from what they are actually guilty of.

Hypocrisy on pipelines is a fairly predictable. Economic development, environmental protection, employment, raise very difficult questions because on many questions you have to side with one or another. Politicians traditionally do not want to be seen as being on one side or another of these. It is worth noting that a politician who is straight on these questions might be unelectable nationally but we do not know as nobody has tried.

Trudeau in particular made a lot of pronouncements from third party status apparently without imagining that he would have to make them come true. His contradictions are also the contradictions of his own supporters who in many cases heard what they wanted to hear and ignored the rest. They reflect the disagreements within his coalition. This does not make him a Fascist, although it might make him comparable to Trump on some points.

We need more sober analysis rather than calling those we oppose the most despicable things we can imagine. We cannot merely blame the leaders for getting away with what we let them get away with. We have to raise the standard of opposition to a level of credibility we seem to have forgotten. Then we will find that our opposition will stick and be more potent than wild and ridiculous comparisons. But sure, if clickbait is what you are after, it works. Yes I clicked.

quizzical

i didn`t

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