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Youngest Guantanamo Detainee Returns to Canada

http://presstv.com/usdetail/264205.html

"After years of detention at the US Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Omar Khadr has returned to Canada to serve the rest of this sentence at a maximum security facility in eastern Canada. Khadr landed at CFB Trenton Saturday morning where he was transferred, in shackles, to the Milhaven institution.

'Early this morning, convicted terrorist Omar Khadr was transferred to Canadian authorities at CFB Trenton,' Toews told reporters..."

 

Omar Khadr Returns to Canada (and vid)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/09/29/omar-khadr-repatriation.html

"It's obviously a huge day for Omar. He has been anxiously awaiting this day for over a decade.."

Slumberjack

Nowadays, welcomed relief comes down to the transferring of a prisoner from one gulag run by a racist society, to another gulag run by a racist society.

Unionist

It's a long-awaited day indeed! The CBC just needed to be nasty, with one reporter saying "many Canadians are angry" that Khadr is coming home. His source was the brain-dead bots that comment on the CBC website.

They just don't seem to have it within them to say what everyone knows, that a terrible crime was committed by a Great Power against so many innocent people, in this case a child - and it is shameful to treat the victims like criminals.

One day, justice will be done. Don't know when.

lagatta

This stuff makes me sick. The only "guilty party" on the other side here was Khadr's late dad, for dragging his kid into serving as a child soldier. And the many, many guilty on the US/Canadian etc side who have tortured and abused this boy/young man for over a decade.

Unfortunately, Unionist, I don't think justice can ever be done in this case, even if Omar Khadr were to get full compensation. Imagine growing up in that hell-hole? Not only jailed and beaten, but denied the educational opportunities even Karla Homolka had here, in jail.

Even if he had been "guilty", which is an absurdity in battle unless one could prove war crimes, he would never have received such a sentence as an underaged offender.

NDPP

Khadr Doing 'Remarkably Well' After One Day: Lawyer (and vid)

http://www.globalnews.ca/Khadr%2Bdoing%2Bremarkably%2Bwell/6442724972/st...

"After one night in Canada, Omar Khadr is doing 'remarkably well,' the convicted war-criminal's lawyer said..."

 

NDPP

A Letter From Me to My Jewish Community Who Disagree With My Opposition To Israel and To Zionism  - by Sandra For A Just Peace

http://miriamswell1.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/a-letter-from-me-to-my-jewi...

"...On September 11, 2012, the JDL or Jewish Defence League called for a demonstration in Scarborough, ON in front of an apartment building they believed had relations of Omar Khadr. They actually went into this community with a biker gang and stood across the street with the intention to intimidate and to terrorize.

I have never felt so sick inside. I witnessed so many things in the West Bank that shocked my sensibilities as a Jewish woman. The atrocities of war in Gaza left me heartbroken, but what I saw yesterday was so shameful.

One man last night was interviewed by a Toronto journalist. He said what do I tell my 5 year old son tonight when he asks me what is going on and why there are people shouting across the street and why there are other people in front of his apartment building chanting and talking.  Do I tell them it is Jews and Moslems?

I do understand on some level why so many Jews will not speak out against Israel or Israeli policies. I do understand that we were raised to believe this is our only hope for survival as a people. I don't know how you can turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to what is being done in your name but I understand the power of Zionism.

However I do not know how any person but especially a Jewish person could allow thugs to go to a neighborhood to terrorize and demonize innocent people. Speak out now! Please do not allow the JDL to speak for you, to represent you..."

 

'Speak Out Now! Please Do Not Allow the JDL To Speak For You, To Represent You..'

STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN!!

'JDL Call For The Denaturalization and Deportation Proceedings of the Elder Khadrs At Omar Khadr Residence

720 Kennedy Road

Thanksgiving Monday, October 8, 6:30 PM'

NDPP

Khadr A Victim, Queen's Prof Says  -  by Tori Stafford

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/10/01/khadr-a-victim-queens-prof-says

"...There's another analysis and one that I'm more sympathetic to. This was someone who was 15, well, actually 14 when he left the country,' Nicholas Bala said. 'He was indoctrinated as a child soldier and we, Canada - as signatory to the UN Convention On the Rights of the Child - have obligations to those who have been child soldiers to try to rehabilitate them and reintegrate them into society.

Despite mixed emotions regarding Khadr's return, Bala said the fact that Canada has a legal and moral obligation to work toward rehabilitating him is  not up for debate - that obligation has already been voiced by the Supreme Court of Canada, and we've definitely been slow to honour that oblifation,' Bala said."

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Vic Toews continues to demonize Khadr - totally inappropriate from his office.

margot66

Just heard Layne Morris spewing venim and doom on CBC As It Happens.  No one mentioned he sharpened his knives for his astounding $100 million lawsuit against the Khadr family.  All for the widow of course, he only rated 8.  

from wiki

 

Sgt. Layne Morris and Sgt. Speer's widow Tabitha, both represented by Donald Winder,[189] filed a civil suit against the estate of Ahmed Khadr – claiming that the father's failure to control his son resulted in the loss of Speers' life and Morris' right eye. Since American law doesn't allow civil lawsuits against "acts of war", Speer and Morris relied on the argument that throwing the grenade was an act of terrorism, rather than war. In February 2006, Utah District Court Judge Paul Cassell awarded the plaintiffs $102.6 million in damages, approximately $94 million to Speer and $8 million to Morris,[190] in what he said likely marks the first time terrorist acts have resulted in civil liabilities.[191] It has been suggested that the plaintiffs might collect funds via the U.S. Terrorism Risk Insurance Act,[192] but since the Federal government is not bound by civil rulings, it has refused to release Khadr's frozen assets.[193] Morris is expected to testify at Khadr's trial in Guantanamo.[194]

NDPP

I Will Never Forget Omar Khadr

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/29/1137892/-I-Will-Never-Forget-Om...

"This is a critical story and its embers have to remain hot. These are the stakes. The US can choose to forget that it captured and tortured a boy for years physically and psychologically. There's more on the long, said, tale of Omar Khadr. But that gives you some idea.."

NDPP

I Will Never Forget Omar Khadr

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/29/1137892/-I-Will-Never-Forget-Om...

"This is a critical story and its embers have to remain hot. These are the stakes. The US can choose to forget that it captured and tortured a boy for years physically and psychologically. There's more on the long, said, tale of Omar Khadr. But that gives you some idea.."

 

Omar Khadr Leaves Guantanamo, While Press Refuses to Report His Water Torture

http://my.firedoglake.com/valtin/2012/09/29/omar-khadr-leaves-guantanamo...

"...The entire affair became a magnet for right-wing propaganda in Canada."

 

Former Jihadist Omar Khadr a Model Student, Instructor Says

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/former-jihadist-omar-khadr-...

"...To hear Prof Zinck tell it, the former jihadist is a model student. 'He listens well, he's attentive and interested in other people. He's certainly very polite. And he's also his own man - he's confident enough to repond to discussion questions. And to make fun of his teacher's notoriously poor spelling..."

NDPP

*JDL-Canada is reporting their planned Oct 8 demo is cancelled and will be rescheduled. See #6 above

 

Omar Khadr is Now Canada's Problem, Let's Make the Right Choice: Maher Arar

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1266158---i-miss...

"...If we want to be impartial in our analysis, we should also ask how it was that the US invaded Afghanistan without any mandate from the UN - i.e. the invasion was illegal. The bottom line is that Omar Khadr was not captured in Manhattan trying to commit a terrorist act.

We have two choices. We either continue to demonize him for actions he took when he was a teenager or we lend him a hand. The choice we make will certainly tell the rest of the world who we are as a nation and above all, who we are as a people..."

 

Gonzaga

It's enough to make you weep, reading or hearing all this stuff. This poor kid is tortured by a foreign country, betrayed by his own, and after years of abuse finally returns home, and this is what people say! It's absolutely inhuman. Vic Toews, the CBC, the Globe and Mail, and all the rest should be ashamed.

NDPP

Canada Conundrum: Who's Demonizing Who  -  by Eric Walberg

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/10/09/265697/canada-conundrum-whos-de...

"The return of Omar Khadr from Guantanamo, Canada's Islamophobia, and a trip by a native leader to Iran, make Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper's human rights award and embarrasment..."

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

That smarmy bastard Vic Toews is on CTV's QP right now saying he does not believe Omar is a child soldier, that he is a convicted murderer, and that he is a terrorist. Wow. Surprised

ETA: Now he's patting himself on the back for having made the decision to bring Khadr home "early". The man has no shame.

Typical Conservative re-writing history.

infracaninophile infracaninophile's picture

No, I think Vic Toews doesn't have a concept of "child" in his cognitive framework. That's why it was OK for him to [beep] his family's underage baby sitter.  Everybody (except perhaps his own kids) is an "adult."

Or of course, it may be simply "one rule for me, another for thee."

The guy is such a scumbag I'm surprised even Harper keeps him on.

 

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

 

The Canadian justice system is racist.  The number of aboriginal youth in custody highlights the systemic discrimination facing marginalized youth.

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Aboriginal Youth (2005-2006)

  • 6% of the youth in Canada - (2006 Census).
  • There were approximately 7,500 Aboriginal youth admitted to either custody or probation in 2005/2006
  • 23% of youth held on remand
  • 31% of admissions to sentenced custody
  • 22% of probation admissions

Female Aboriginal Youth

  • 35% of female youth admitted to sentenced custody
  • 27% of female youth admitted to remand

Male Aboriginal Youth

  • 31% of male youth admitted to sentenced custody
  • 22% of male youth admitted to remand

http://www.vcn.bc.ca/august10/politics/facts_stats.html

jerrym

Even under the kangaroo court system the US employed at Guantanamo, the original military judge threw out the case in June 2007 because Omar was an 'enemy combatant,' and the military commissions have jurisdiction only over 'unlawful enemy combatants'." However, this was overturned in September 2007: "A three-member appeal panel rules that the decision was in error and reinstates the charges against Khadr. Khadr's lawyers later filed an appeal, seeking to stop the U.S. military case against their client. A judge ordered in October that Khadr's trial proceed." (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/09/30/omar-khadr-timeline.html) Even some of the people involved in Guantanamo recognized that their own system was wrong.

Of course, there should have been no trial to begin with since by international law, Omar was a child soldier and was a combatant fighting armed soldiers, rather than a terrorist attacking civilians to say nothing of the fact that the vast majority of children trapped into his situation by his father would have done the same thing.

 

contrarianna

The entire exceptionalistic, phony kangaroo court system Khadr was "tried" under  is made very obvious here:

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If Khadr had belonged to a regular armed forces unit of a recognized state he would not be charged with murder. Killing enemy soldiers when they attack or even before they attack is what you do in warfare.
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Many legal theorists have pointed out that CIA agents and contractors who operate drone programs are unlawful combatants and hence are murderers committing crimes in violation of the laws of war, just like Khadr. Here is a sample of the asinine asymmetrical legal reasoning clearly set out in a Washington Post article. .

 

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  Every day, CIA agents and CIA contractors arm and pilot armed unmanned drones over combat zones in Afghanistan and Pakistan, including Pakistani tribal areas, to search out and kill Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters. In terms of international armed conflict, those CIA agents are, unlike their military counterparts but like the fighters they target, unlawful combatants. No less than their insurgent targets, they are fighters without uniforms or insignia, directly participating in hostilities, employing armed force contrary to the laws and customs of war. Even if they are sitting in Langley, the CIA pilots are civilians violating the requirement of distinction, a core concept of armed conflict, as they directly participate in hostilities.

So when will these murderers be brought to court to be punished for their murders?


http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/335241

As for Vic Toews, Harper's legal brain trust who enthusiastically defends this travesty?
Surely he's destined for oblivion in Harper's Canada(tm) ?

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Get used to hearing ‘Mr. Justice Vic Toews’

All the legal chips are falling into place. There’s a looming vacancy on the Manitoba Court of Appeal, a friendly nominating committee and a willing justice minister....

http://www.ctvnews.ca/ctv-news-channel/power-play-with-don-martin/get-us...

josh
6079_Smith_W

Very good news, despite the appeal. He has been here in Saskatoon at the psych centre for the past year. 

Sean in Ottawa

Conservatives appealing.

 

josh
Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

I, personally think this is a good thing.

Canadians (and Americans) should rightfully agree that to whatever degree he was any kind of soldier, he was a child soldier, and we generally don't hold minors responsible for having been conscripted.

On the other hand, I also seem to recall that progressives cheerfully labelled former Pope Benedict a Nazi on the basis of having similarly been conscripted into the Nazi Youth -- against his and his family's beliefs, one year younger than Khadr, and according to mandatory state policy -- and held him responsible for his "choice" 70 years later.

josh

How many years did Ratzinger spend in jail?

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

How many people was he accused of killing?

But really, is that the point?

Khadr was a child soldier ONLY because he was imprisoned??  What does that have to do with recognizing that he was 15 at the time?

6079_Smith_W

More to do with his family Magoo. And the fact he was a child aside, and that there were no witnesses, it was not a real court at all, but a military tribunal, and remembering interviews with his lawyer, a rigged one at that.

I take your point about Ratzinger, but given the fact he was one of the most powerful people in the world, the comparison is a bit off. Yes pretty much everyone who was in the Reich at that time had to fall in line or be outlaw, but the process against Khadr is on a completely different scale. No one imprisoned the pope or subjected him to torture.

 

 

 

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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More to do with his family Magoo. And the fact he was a child aside, and that there were no witnesses, it was not a real court at all, but a military tribunal, and remembering interviews with his lawyer, a rigged one at that.

Okay, but wasn't the point all along that he was a child when it all happened, and basically a child soldier at that?

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but given the fact he was one of the most powerful people in the world, the comparison is a bit off.

I don't follow.  So he grew up to lead the Catholic church some 60 years later.  Does that mean he was a Nazi?

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Yes pretty much everyone who was in the Reich at that time had to fall in line or be outlaw, but the process against Khadr is on a completely different scale. No one imprisoned the pope or subjected him to torture.

Agreed.  But is THAT what means Benedict was a Nazi??

My point was not that Khadr shouldn't be free, nor that somehow Ratzinger suffered as much or worse.

My point was that both of them were under 16 when they were pressed to do something they didn't want to do.  I'm curious why Benedict was held responsible for what was forced on him at 14 if Khadr shouldn't be held responsible for what was forced on him at 15.  See what I'm asking?

 

6079_Smith_W

I said I. take your point. What I am saying is that there is a difference between smears against the pope and some poor kid being blinded, shot in the back, tortured, spending half his life in jail, and having his country treat him as a terrorist.

Point taken, but it is a tangent.

Unionist

Is it actually useful to debate with Magoo about that bastard Ratzinger - whom the world will remember in infamy, not for what he did as a minor, but what he and his brethren did to minors - and women - and LGBTQ folks - and anyone who didn't fit their diabolical vision of humanity? Is there something about "baiting" and "provocation" that escapes us here?

As for Omar Khadr being a "child soldier", I call bullshit. That's a perverse way of saying that had he been 3 years older, then he would have gotten what he deserved. It's a perverse way of saying that all those adults in Guantanamo got what they deserved.

Since when did throwing a grenade against a member of an invading occupying force become a crime? The real criminals - the U.S. and Canadians and their allies - have never been apprehended, never been charged, let alone tortured, held unlawfully.

Khadr should be forgiven for fighting on the side of the Afghan people, because he was just a "child". I think I'll call bullshit yet again.

 

 

 

6079_Smith_W

Regardless of what the situation would have been if he was older, doing this to a child was indefensible. It is significant 

lagatta

It is an extremely important argument in legal terms, as this was a miscarriage of justice.

Sure, it is also the judiciary defending imperialist war, but that is a whole other line of argument.

Sean in Ottawa

A lot of important statements in this thread that are written as if in conflict with each other when in fact they are not:

- Sure Ratzinger not responsible for his membership in Nazis as a child but is responsible for decisions made as an adult and the collective responsibility of the Church he led. He was regressive even by Catholic standards in terms of blocking even the most modest of reforms in addition to collective responsibility for crimes against children and the refusal to do anything for the victims. I accept as a fair point not holding those involved with Nazis responsible when they were underage.

- There is nothing about saying that Omar was a child and cannot even be considered responsible as a child soldier that contradicts the questions about the war in his country. The fact that he was a child means that his defense does not require that war to be judged at all to determine his innocence. Part of the point is that those who wish to point to 9-11 as justification for the invasion can argue the point with adults but none of that can apply to a child. The fact he was a child soldier does not reflect on whatever other arguments are made. That's the point.

Doug Woodard

I encountered some relevant information in a recent book: "Murder at Camp Delta" by Joseph Hickman (ex-Sergeant U.S. Army), Simon & Schuster, 2015.

While stationed as a guard at Guantanamo, Hickman found an installation consisting of six "trailer-type" buildings, which was not on the maps he had been shown (of areas his unit was supposed to guard). He called this "Camp No." He checked out the installation surreptitiously several times. On one occasion he heard screaming coming from it.

On June 9, 2006, Hickman saw a white van take three prisoners one by one from the cell blocks to an unknown destination in the direction of Camp No. At 11:30 PM a white van from an unknown place delivered three dead prisoners to the medical clinic. Ir was claimed that they had committed suicide. Hickman read reports on them and concluded that it was impossible for the prisoners to have comiitted suicide in the way claimed.

Hickman reported "I found a study compiling statistics released by the U.S. government that said fewer than 5 per cent of the men taken at Guantanamo had been captured by U.S. troops. The other 95 per cent had been handed over by Afghan warlords, bounty hunters, or foreign dictatorships in countries like Yemen.``

Hickman found that prisoners entering Guantanamo were normally administered large doses of the antimalarial drug mefloquine. The standard 250 mg. therapeutic dose of mefloquine risks producing `hallucinations or psychosis.`` The dose given to prisoners was 1250 mg. with the effect lasting upwards of one month (half-life 40 days). Prisoners were routinely held in isolation for 30 days without bedding and subjected to sensory deprivation. 

Only prisoners were given mefloquine or any antimalarial on entering Guantanamo.

Hickman concluded that the major purpose of the prison at Guantanamo was not the extraction of information from the prisoners (especially as most of them were low-grade prisoners unlikely to have any valuable information) but the development of ``advanced`` interrogation techniques and the training of interrogators for future use in the ``war on terror.``

The above should indicate what value should be placed on Omar Khadr`s supposed `confession.``

 

NDPP

Omar Khadr's Request For Eased Bail Conditions Denied By Judge

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-judge-khadr-request-bai...

"Ex-Guantanamo detainee sought freedom to travel, permission to speak to his sister..."

Canada's continuing shame.

lagatta4

And he was only 15, as well as having been so badly wounded that he couldn't have possibly thrown a grenade. Not to mention the fact that it is very odd to condemn someone involved in combat (or at least dragged there by dad) for a battlefield death of another combattant.

This is utterly vile. Khadr is behaving as a model citizen.

Sean in Ottawa

He is losing a popularity contest that a Charter of Rights and Freedoms was supposed to prevent. There is no good legal case against him it is all mob rule in his case.

Unionist

Unionist, on Sept. 29, 2012 wrote:

One day, justice will be done. Don't know when.

Still waiting.

 

Misfit Misfit's picture

And the sovereignty side to it. Foreign troups invading on his sovereign soil. I wonder how many Canadian 15 year olds would try to fight back if foreigners tried to invade Canada. They would be praised as heros. Foreign troups did not belong there.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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And the sovereignty side to it. Foreign troups invading on his sovereign soil.

He was born in Toronto.

WWWTT

Many Canadian  laws in general were made under falsehoods perpetuated by the US and imperialism in general. 

Now I get the impression from this judge that denied bail (from NDPP’s link above) that she is being reasonable and realistic. And I’m sure a lot of people will forget the facts that got Canada entwined into perpetuating and unleashing a nightmare and near a dozen countries in the Middle East Asia and North Africa. 

I don’t think anyone else here may feel the same way I do, but I’ll say it. I see this judge as an insignificant mindless pawn only serving their masters wishes

Sean in Ottawa

WWWTT wrote:

Many Canadian  laws in general were made under falsehoods perpetuated by the US and imperialism in general. 

Now I get the impression from this judge that denied bail (from NDPP’s link above) that she is being reasonable and realistic. And I’m sure a lot of people will forget the facts that got Canada entwined into perpetuating and unleashing a nightmare and near a dozen countries in the Middle East Asia and North Africa. 

I don’t think anyone else here may feel the same way I do, but I’ll say it. I see this judge as an insignificant mindless pawn only serving their masters wishes

Judges work within law, guidlines and jurisprudence -- the judge is not likely mindless but they do nto have absolute control and the emphasis is supposed to be public safety.

The problem here is the original judgment more than the limited choices a judge has with parole conditions. They are obliged to consider and not remake the judgement and to apply the concerns of the original sentence in their decisions.

Paladin1

Misfit wrote:

 I wonder how many Canadian 15 year olds would try to fight back if foreigners tried to invade Canada.

None. They would either have their noses burried in cell phones and not notice or be having panic attacks when the internet stops working.

 

We need to teach college age "kids' how to be adults, 15 year olds? Big pass.

Cody87

Paladin1 wrote:

Misfit wrote:

 I wonder how many Canadian 15 year olds would try to fight back if foreigners tried to invade Canada.

None. They would either have their noses burried in cell phones and not notice or be having panic attacks when the internet stops working.

 

We need to teach college age "kids' how to be adults, 15 year olds? Big pass.

That's a charitable take. You seem to suggest Canadian kids wouldn't fight back mostly due to a lack of awareness.

I would argue that the institutionalized self-loathing has reached the point where most kids would celebrate the invaders.

Aristotleded24

Paladin1 wrote:

Misfit wrote:

 I wonder how many Canadian 15 year olds would try to fight back if foreigners tried to invade Canada.

None. They would either have their noses burried in cell phones and not notice or be having panic attacks when the internet stops working.

 

We need to teach college age "kids' how to be adults, 15 year olds? Big pass.

Because your elders never complained about how you "young people" were always listen to your walkmans and never paid attention to the world around you?

You're right that there is a cultural shift, but I've noticed that everybody is on their cell phones these days and cannot function without the Internet. I don't agree with everything I see younger people doing these days either, but this game of older generations moralizing about how much better they are than younger generations when this game has been going on as long as there's been older and younger generations gets a bit old after a while.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Sounds like babble has entered the curmudgeon phase of its existence. When do we start shouting people off of our lawns?

lagatta4

or pass bylaws against street hockey on quiet residential streets...

Unionist

Timebandit wrote:

Sounds like babble has entered the curmudgeon phase of its existence. When do we start shouting people off of our lawns?

So far, the only shitty comment I've seen about young people is the one by that pro-gun fetishist troll upthread. Please let's not one asshole comment divert important conversations, let alone use it to characterize babble as a whole.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

I count three. Yes, a bit of a derail, but millenials and genZ get a lot of speculative abuse from boomers and it's really annoying. (Said GenX, preparing to be ignored. ;) )

NDPP

Omar Khadr's War Crimes Sentence is Finished, Alberta Judge Rules

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/khadr-war-crimes-expired-1.5068610

"Omar Khadr is a lightening rod for Islamophobia..."

 

US Detention Site - Gitmo (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/on-context/454607-guantanamo-bay-us-detention-s...

"The most notorious US detention site in the world. Joining Chris Hedges in the studio is British journalist Andy Worthington, who has covered these imprisoned men in Guantanamo since 2006."

Our American warcriminal overlords...

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