Ford Desecration Pt IV - the march to Detroit continues

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Junkyard Dog

Ford's lawyer said they were holding off suing the Star until it was known whether a video would become public. Isn't that basically a confession? If Ford knows he's never smoked crack and that therefore there can't possibly be an authentic video of him doing so, why wait to sue?

I was thinking much the same thing. At first, this whole sorry episode just seemed too damned implausible, even for someone as out-of-control as Sideshow Rob, but the more I thought on it, the more I came to realize that this latest accusation really isn't out of character for him...and he sure as hell hasn't been conducting himself as though he's innocent since the scandal broke: Going into hiding, avoiding publicity, practially running away from the media. Very curious behavior for such a spotlight-hogging windbag; ordinarily, as with most narcissists who go into politics, the most dangerous space to occupy is between Rob Ford and any television cameras that happen to be in the immediate vincinity. But he even ducked hosting his weekly radio show last Sunday, which would have been the perfect opportunity for him to personally blast everyone associated with the charge, and I can't help thinking that's exacly what Ford would have done, in his usual unapologetic, bull-in-the-china-shop manner...if the charges were completely without merit.

As for brother Dougie blustering that of course the charges are utter bullshit: What else can we expect him to say? Hell, what else can he do, really? I might be more impressed if DENY, DENY, DENY wasn't their automatic fallback every time Boss Hogg gets caught with his pants down. Typical Nixonian 'strategy' for crooked politicians the world over.

jerrym

Mark Towhey, Rob Ford's Chief of Staff, has been fired after giving advice to the mayor. Towhey would not reveal what he said because his advice is confidential. 

http://o.canada.com/2013/05/23/mark-towhey-fired-rob-ford-chief-of-staff/

Bärlüer

Bacchus wrote:

If it was taken on a phone you need the original device to have a shot at proving validity. If its a copy they can plead fake all the live long day and nothing will gainsay them.

Provided we're discussing the "validity" of the video in general terms, and not with respect to admissibility of the evidence in an eventual trial –

I don't see what difference it makes whether the video is provided on the device it was originally shot with or with another device. In ascertaining whether the events actually occurred, what must be determined is whether the images in the video have been truly captured or if they have been artifically created (which would mean 3D animation of the highest order, something that seems highly implausible to me) or manipulated (some extremely clever editing, which would rely for example on close-ups and things like that, which, from what I remember, also seems implausible as the images have been taken in a continuous take, as far as I remember, and, I think do not rely on close-ups). In this respect, the chain of transfers the video could have taken is of no importance, it seems to me.

Eventual problems of admissibility as evidence in a trial is a whole other matter, as I've said.

Bacchus

The articles Ive read on it recently say that if its on a specific device its harder to fake then if its a common avi or mp4 file for example, anybody of which could edit as they like pretty easily with the software available out there, just look at the youtube fakes that abound.

 

Plus ive done it myself and Im no skilled editor. Not to make Rob Ford look bad though(he does that all on his own) but just for laughs

mark_alfred

Perhaps Ford is far more competent then we've given him credit for.  His campaign was backed by an American company that used very clever polling to determine where right wing votes were throughout the city to be able to target and consolidate those (and not lose votes to other politicians running on a centre-right platform).  What if this is a gambit to ensure he wins the next election?

For instance, let's say that this same American company shoot a video of Ford sitting looking tired in a chair, holding a full coffee that spills a bit and thus Ford waves his hand under it in a circular motion to catch the drops while blowing on the top of it.  He comments "yeah, he's a maggot," in response to some question about someone (not Trudeau), and then responds to a statement about the poverty in an area and responds, "they're working minorities... [drifts for a bit].. hey, that better not be on.... you know I'm camera shy [smiling at ironic joke]"

They commission some undercover cop with video skills to assist them.  This guy finds a dealer who's known for having an interest in video, befriends him, and says, "hey, I found this!"  Turns out to be an iPhone (from the now fired chief of staff), with the staged video of Ford taking a break from campaigning.  To convert the video into a feasibly incriminating video of Ford doing crack wouldn't be too hard -- edit out the coffee cup and edit in a crack pipe, and simply replace the audio of the outside voice with more crude questioning, and make Ford's voice a little less clear so words like "maggot" and "working" could be heard as "faggot" and "fucking".  The cop helps the dealer convert the video, done on the dealer's own computer.  Arrangements with the Star and then Gawker ensue.  When the video comes out, Ford suddenly breaks his silence and shows a copy of the campaigning video, claiming the crackstarter video is fake and condemns all lefties for being willing to conspire with drug dealers.  He goes on to win a large majority.

 

Okay, I've likely watched The Sting too many times.  But still, I doubt that drug dealers would try to peddle their wares to the Star (maybe the Sun, but not the Star.)  It would make more sense to approach a television station than a newspaper.  Or to simply post it to Facebook and look for that instant fame.  Thinking about long term goals (like moving to Calgary for a stable job and change of life) and picking out media outlets that have a track record of animousity to the Mayor (and thus a higher likelihood of paying large sums) seems unlikely considerations of the dealers.  Such traits describe a tale written by political operatives more than an actual tale of drug dealers.  Also I found it interesting that Ford used the term "maggots" to refer to the media when he was in the Tim Hortons recently.  It almost seems staged.

Bacchus

Well the Star is known to have a unreal hate on for Ford so that would be the paper to go to. They would swallow anything to sink him. Though I'd like to think they were smart enough to not get caught in a scam such as you describe.

 

onlinediscountanvils

mark_alfred wrote:
What if this is a gambit to ensure he wins the next election?

I think you're putting way too much thought into this. There are easier ways to get re-elected. Especially considering the election is still 17 months away, and his prospects were not nearly so desperate as to warrant such a strange and elaborate conspiracy.

mark_alfred

Hey onlinediscountanvils, I think you're right.  Ford's been a party guy for a long time, and it's now caught up with him. 

Michelle

Don't feel bad, Mark, I keep thinking the same thing! :)

NorthReport

I'm wondering what Ford wants. to get through to the end of this term, or does he want re-election as well?

Ford could survive crack video allegations, PR expert says Deputy Mayor Doug Holyday urges Rob Ford to put his side of story 'on the record'

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/05/23/toronto-ford-crac...

mark_alfred

Thanks Michelle.  Glad to hear it's not just me.

On another note, someone just pledged $10,000 to the Rob Ford Crackstarter campaign, and thus get the Rob Ford Crack iPhone as a perk.  Maybe it was Ford himself, so he can bury the evidence.

nicky

The Gawker video fund has surged ahead today from 130,000 this morning to 155,135 now. Almost 80 per cent of the goal

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Nothing like donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to a for-profit papparazzi org in order to publicly shame an addict prone to domestic abuse.

I <3 capitalism.

mark_alfred

He'll be gone soon.  Even the Sun has called on him to either directly deny the allegation or resign.

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It is not enough for Ford to simply dismiss this allegation as “ridiculous,” or to send out third parties to deny it based on what he has told them.

Of course it’s “ridiculous” that the mayor is being accused of smoking crack cocaine and consorting with drug dealers.

The issue isn’t whether it’s ridiculous. The issue is whether it’s true.

Arguments that Ford is entitled to the presumption of innocence miss the point. That refers to the high level of evidence required to convict someone of a crime. But Ford isn’t charged with a crime.

It matters how he addresses this attack on his credibility.

Logically, the first thing a mayor falsely accused of smoking crack and consorting with drug dealers would do, would be to proclaim his innocence in no uncertain terms and sue the media who said it.

Why hasn’t he?

[..]

Ford needs to directly address these allegations, or get help and step aside.

Well, hell has just frozen over.

mark_alfred

Catchfire wrote:

Nothing like donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to a for-profit papparazzi org in order to publicly shame an addict prone to domestic abuse.

I <3 capitalism.

I agree that the whole ethos of paparazzi society is disturbing, what with snapping photos of workers (like the public transit ticket collector in Toronto) with the intent of shaming.  Better to knock on the door and wake up the worker, saying, "hey, you okay?  Rough night last night?  Boring shift?  You were asleep!"

Ford is a different ball of wax though.  It's truly an anomaly.  The fact that he was elected is astounding.  The dedication that many voters here feel to this guy in spite of his digressions is astounding.  It's almost cult-like.  I almost feel that even if the video comes out and is verified, that he still could win the next election.  Past controversies (like drunken lewdness and sexual assault) just seem to raise his polling numbers.  Everything, including protest and legal challenges, has been tried with him. 

I suspect you're not from Toronto.  Trust me, I've not seen anything like Ford and his followers before.  I did write to the integrity commissioner about it (as I stated I would) and was brushed off by her.  It seems that there's no alternative. 

It's easy to judge from afar.  Trust me, no one would choose this.  The one possible hope -- an opportunity that may actually be large enough to get him out -- should not be overlooked in a quest of perfect martyrdom.  This lunatic should no longer be running this asylum.

Junkyard Dog

I've toyed with the idea that this may all be a scam on Ford's part as well, but it just doesn't seem credible that he'd be willing to subject himself to such humiliation. His kind do not much like to be on the losing side or on the receiving end of any punishment, particularly those that involve losing face in a very public way. When it comes to cheating, they're far more comfortable with ratfucking the opposition.

And isn't this a little extreme? The mouth breathers, thugs and morons who make up his hardcore base are - or, at least, were - all still pretty solidly in his pocket, weren't they? That might not be enough in itself to ensure re-election for the swine, but, y'know, it's certainly not nothing. While I don't think he's anywhere near as popular as his bootlicks in the media claim, he'd likely have to visibly sink a lot lower in estimation before he'd be desperate enough to try engineering something like this.

Well the Star is known to have a unreal hate on for Ford so that would be the paper to go to.

Eh. After literally decades of hate and lies and biased "reporting" and politically motivated hatchet jobs from the Toronto Sun, I find it hilarious that it's the stodgy old goody-goody neoliberal Star that's receiving flack because they find our cartoon character of a Mayor to be distasteful. Their reporting on his antics has been generally bloodless and polite; when the judgement to turf him from office was overturned, they even published an editorial praising the decision, for Christ's sakes.

Well, hell has just frozen over.

Yeah, well, a stopped clock is still right twice a day, and all that. There are isolated moments when the Sun can be surprisingly pragmatic, and in this case, they're right: None of this looks good. And he's their boy, so this all reflects badly on them as well.

Logically, the first thing a mayor falsely accused of smoking crack and consorting with drug dealers would do, would be to proclaim his innocence in no uncertain terms and sue the media who said it.

Why hasn’t he?

Why indeed?

Sineed

Junkyard Dog wrote:

 

Logically, the first thing a mayor falsely accused of smoking crack and consorting with drug dealers would do, would be to proclaim his innocence in no uncertain terms and sue the media who said it.

Why hasn’t he?

Why indeed?

As time passes, it's increasingly becoming apparent that this video is probably for realz. Yesterday, Doug Holyday made a timorous suggestion that maybe Ford's silence was at the behest of his lawyers. But surely lawyers who would give advice like that would be rather worse lawyers than what Ford can afford.

Sineed

According to the Crackstarter website, the owner of the video may have gone to ground.

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We were initially made aware of the video by a tipster, who connected us with the owner of the video after we traveled to Toronto. We've been in relatively constant communication with the tipster since then. But he has told us that hasn't been able to make contact with the owner of the video in recent days.

There is a good explanation for this. The Rob Ford Crack Tape has become an object of intense scrutiny and interest in Toronto, and in Canada generally. The owner of the video is presumably frightened and skittish, and it's not entirely unreasonable that he would go to ground. We didn't consider it that remarkable for the first half of the week that he was hard for our tipster to reach. At this point, we have no idea why he is out of touch, or if he even knows about the Crackstarter campaign. He may have decided against selling the video. He may be waiting until the campaign hits its $200,000 mark before coming out of hiding. We simply don't know. (And hey, Rob Ford Crack Tape Owner, if you're reading this: Please get in touch with our mutual friend. If you don't, you risk leaving a lot of money on the table.)

If Rob Ford came up with more than $200,000 to buy the video himself, might explain his silence on the matter.

mark_alfred

Ford likely already got to the video dealers.  Gawker is reporting that they may not be able to complete the deal, since "The last time we established contact with the people who are in possession of the video was this past Sunday, and we have not been able to reach them since."  So, they are now saying that even though they expect to reach the $200,000 amount, they may not be able to find the person who is selling the video.  Therefore, if they get the 200G but can't get the video, then they will donate the money to charity.

I'm curious who the person was who donated $10,000 to it.

ETA:  oops, crossposted with Sineed above.

Michelle

I don't know.  As others have mentioned, even if Ford gave them $200,000 or more for the video, how can he be sure he has the only copy?

There may be a more sinister reason why no one can contact this guy/these guys anymore.

mark_alfred

Michelle wrote:

I don't know.  As others have mentioned, even if Ford gave them $200,000 or more for the video, how can he be sure he has the only copy?

There may be a more sinister reason why no one can contact this guy/these guys anymore.

Perhaps Ford commissioned someone to make him an offer he can't refuse.

onlinediscountanvils

jerrym wrote:
Mark Towhey, Rob Ford's Chief of Staff, has been fired after giving advice to the mayor. Towhey would not reveal what he said because his advice is confidential. 

">http://o.canada.com/2013/05/23/mark-towhey-fired-rob-ford-chief-of-staff...

 

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/05/23/toronto-ford-towh... mayor fired chief of staff for telling him to 'go away and get help'[/url]

Quote:
Towhey is said to have gathered together the inner circle and presented Ford with options.

The source said Ford was presented with three options, though exactly what those options were is not known.

But when it became clear the meeting "was not going anywhere," Towhey cleared the room and presented the mayor with one option and told him for the third time, "You have a problem. Go away and fix it."

The source said Ford repeatedly laughed off attempts to enter rehab.

When the others returned to the room Towhey told them the mayor had chosen the fourth option — to do nothing.

mark_alfred

That's quite the article.  The initial reports of his firing suggested it had something to do with the football team.  I was wondering what the hell that meant.  Well, now I know.

Seems there's absolutely no need for the purchase of the video via Gawker.  I think Ford cannot last much longer.  But, I have thought that before at times and was wrong. 

Maysie Maysie's picture

mark_alfred wrote:
  I think Ford cannot last much longer.  But, I have thought that before at times and was wrong.  

Yeah, me too.

I don't believe the video is a fake, or "faked" as mark described above, although that's quite the interesting plot for a movie. Smile

I don't think this is a political ploy meant to discredit Ford. Why not? Because the elections are 17 months away. Voters have very short memories. If this were a political ploy, they would have waited until May/June 2014. Or later. 

Not that I would be upset if Ford were to resign or be sacked because of this, but I highly doubt it.

And mark, re. your post at #415, I completely agree. It's baffled me from the moment his campaign turned to his favour back in 2010, when the former "joke" candidate overtook Smilin' Lyin' George. My theory has been that at the time there was no viable candidate from the left, but now I wonder if that would have made a difference. 

mark_alfred

There's a live presentation with Doug Holyday now on CBC. 10AM

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Well, it's over.  Basically they're writing a letter to assure everyone that business is being taken care of, and they're stating that they recommend the Mayor speak to the issues.  The letter will come out later.

Regarding speaking to the issues, there was an interesting article in the Globe:  My (contrarian) advice to Rob Ford: Don’t say another word.  This guy says that while it's usually best to own up to allegations before being forced to (IE, to nip them in the bud), in this case the allegations are so damning that his best and only bet is to just continue stonewalling for as long as possible.

mark_alfred

Maysie wrote:

mark_alfred wrote:
  I think Ford cannot last much longer.  But, I have thought that before at times and was wrong.  

Yeah, me too.

I don't believe the video is a fake, or "faked" as mark described above, although that's quite the interesting plot for a movie. Smile

Thanks.  Yes, I'm pretty sure now it's not a faked scheme as I described above.  I guess I just desire to see a logical order in the affairs of people, when in fact people are largely imperfect beings.

Maysie wrote:

And mark, re. your post at #415, I completely agree. It's baffled me from the moment his campaign turned to his favour back in 2010, when the former "joke" candidate overtook Smilin' Lyin' George. My theory has been that at the time there was no viable candidate from the left, but now I wonder if that would have made a difference. 

Smitherman was sent in to take out Miller by McGuinty, who didn't like that Miller was attacking him for not living up to Transit City.  Smitherman derided Miller during the garbage strike for being too cozy with unions, and thereby Smitherman increased public anger against unions.  Later, when Ford took over the mantle of anti-Transit City and anti-union crusader, Smitherman did an about-face.  What a liar.  I'm glad he didn't win.

After Miller decided not to run, we were left with Giambrone and Pantalone.  When Giambrone's creepy text messages were made public by his lover, he crumbled.  Pantalone ran a good campaign, but mysteriously people picked the belligerent fool Ford instead.  But, as I mentioned, there often is no logical order to the affairs of people. 

If Miller had foreseen that Smitherman would crumble, and had stayed in the race, perhaps he would have won.  Or perhaps Ford still would have won.  Hard to say.  You may be right that a viable left candidate would not have made a difference.

janfromthebruce

For what it's worth, there had been a poll commissioned after the election started in which it showed that between Miller, Ford and Smitherson that Miller was more popular for mayor by far. Too bad Miller got spooked by the McGuinty Liberal smear and jeer machine.

And it was TorStar a good liberal paper which took out Giambrone as he was polling ahead of Smitherson. By default that helped Ford because nobody was interested in slimy Smitherson. But by the time it was too late for Pantalone to get broader appeal as the TorStar was riding the Liberal horse, no matter what.

mark_alfred

Ford is going to address the media.  3:30 PM  live feed

mark_alfred

janfromthebruce wrote:

And it was TorStar a good liberal paper which took out Giambrone as he was polling ahead of Smitherson. By default that helped Ford because nobody was interested in slimy Smitherson. But by the time it was too late for Pantalone to get broader appeal as the TorStar was riding the Liberal horse, no matter what.

It was also the Star that published the report on Layton living in Hazelburn Co-op, alleging that something was wrong with a politician who didn't wish to live in a gated community.  Despite what I think of Ford, I'll confess I do feel some sympathy for his animosity toward the Star.

mark_alfred

Well, no surprise.  He's not going down without a fight.  "I do not use crack-cocaine, and I cannot comment on a video I haven't even seen."

So, he still hasn't denied that such a video could exist.  From this maybe we can presume that he was too blacked out to recall, and was smoking crank or smack rather than crack.

Or not.

Anyway, he's probably going to be the mayor until the next election.  And then he's probably going to get re-elected.

He's going to be doing his radio show this weekend.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

 "I do not use crack-cocaine, and I cannot comment on a video I haven't even seen."

As an English Literatire grad student, I would be remiss if I did not highlight the verb tenses employed in this statement.

Also, congratulations to Rob Ford for raising $200K before Gawker could!

arielc

I think it's pretty safe to say that Rob Ford wouldn't address the issue until he knew for sure that the video was safely 'off the market'. What we see is all we get ... unless someone actually sees him doing crack.

Junkyard Dog

Yeah, the evil "leftist" Star did more than its fair share of paving the way for Ford. Not that he realizes that, of course, nor would he ever acknowledge the point even if he understood it. As such, I have little sympathy for his anger at them or the other media who dare report on him in any way that's less than worshipful. Let's face it, he'd be screaming about liberal bias over any coverage that wasn't openly fawning.

So, anyway...Sideshow Rob has finally deigned to address this latest scandal, and whaddahya know: His response, unsurprisingly, is DENY, DENY, DENY.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/i-do-not-use-crack-cocaine-mayor-rob-ford-says-1.1294910

I can't say I didn't see this coming. It's anyone's guess what's coming up next, or just how much longer this train wreck is going to continue, but one thing's for sure: If the video does surface, and proves that Ford is lying through his teeth? What a mix up! Tee hee!

josh

"I DO not use." Yeah, OK. Gotchya.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Quote:
 "I do not use crack-cocaine"

I'm secretly inserting the word "anymore" after that sentence.

mark_alfred wrote:
 Anyway, he's probably going to be the mayor until the next election.  And then he's probably going to get re-elected.

I just remembered I promised to stay drunk until the municipal election in fall 2014. I'm behind schedule. Since I'm not the mayor, people can take all the videos they like.

janfromthebruce

Digitizing a fake Rob Ford in a video is a technical impossibility

So this article (unless posted previously and I missed it) suggests that it's highly unlikely this video was a fake because video is much harder to splice and dice and requires much expertise, besides loads of money. All those things that the peddlers of video would most probably not have.

I also noted that the video people and video went missing in action and it was than that Rob denied (kind of) that he was a crack user or that it was him in the film.

I don't believe that the MSM is buying it, including the Sun or NP.

bekayne

Catchfire wrote:

 "I do not use crack-cocaine, and I cannot comment on a video I haven't even seen."

As an English Literatire grad student, I would be remiss if I did not highlight the verb tenses employed in this statement.

"I am not currently smoking crack cocaine at this moment"

Sineed

Quote:
"As for a video, I cannot comment on a video that I have never seen or does not exist."

Unless this video was shot by Schrödinger, either it exists or it doesn't.

Maysie Maysie's picture

bekayne wrote:

"I am not currently smoking crack cocaine at this moment"

Laughing

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Sineed wrote:

Quote:
"As for a video, I cannot comment on a video that I have never seen or does not exist."

Unless this video was shot by Schrödinger, either it exists or it doesn't.

Its all about the tenses again. He may not have seen it before his people bought it and destroyed it.

I am betting that some amateur video producers are at least $200,000 better off than they were a few days ago.

onlinediscountanvils

The speculation is humourous, but I really don't think Ford is deliberately trying to be cute with his choice of words. That's just how the words tumbled out of his brain. His entire statement was a syntactic nightmare.

Besides, if the video or some other proof of crack use ever comes to light, he won't be any further ahead by being able to say; "before you judge me too harshly, may I remind you that technically i wasn't lying in my address to the media".

janfromthebruce

Well even the national post and sun aren't buying that Ford is clean here.

Mayor’s denial was vintage Ford: James

“I’m basing my conclusion on what we’ve all observed in the media and from staff. The website from the U.S. has no axe to grind … to make up stories. They watched the video,” De Baeremaeker said.

As such, Ford has “no legitimacy to run this government. Whether he resigns or not, he’s gone; his tenure is over. I’m profoundly disappointed. He’s calling three reporters liars and his own chief of staff a liar.”

Junkyard Dog

I don't believe that the MSM is buying it, including the Sun or NP.

Well, as Ed Keenan of the Grid put it in his column this week, this is simply a case of Ford having cried wolf far too many times over the last couple of years. He's completely and unashamedly denied too many things about his personal conduct that have later been proven to be 100% true. This is a demonstrable pattern of behavior from the repulsive cretin; was there anyone in the city who didn't know this is exactly how he'd react once he finally condescended to address the latest scandal?

Even if all the previous accusations against Ford had been petty, unimportant bullshit (as his defenders always claim*) this type of response every single time just does not look good after a while, nor does it favor his credibility when even sleazier scandals emerge and he responds by predictably playing the same old tune yet again. Of course no one believes him! By this stage, it's just plain embarrassing.

*While we're on the subject, I've been reading a lot of reader comments about 'Crackheadgate' (heh, heh) at various news sites, and it's interesting to note that the usual Ford apologists (i.e. right wing trolls) were making a lot of noise along the lines of "what the man does in his personal life is his own business!" In other words, they believed the scandal was for real, and were trying to lay the groundwork to dismiss the whole thing as a political witch hunt when undeniable proof emerged, presumably in the form of the video that would show their hero smoking crack with drug dealers.

NorthReport

So far the score must at least be by now:

rob ford - 10

taranna star - zero

Stephen Harper and Rob Ford although they probably won't be seen together in public as buddy-buddy, must be having a good chuckle this weekend. It would not surprise me if they even chatted with each other as well.

Most people after they bang their head against the wall a few times stop because it hurts., but not the Star.

Doesn't the star ever get tired of losing? 

And what bout the CBC Newsworld and their jumping on the bandwagon as they been running the story 24/7 as well it seems. They are not looking too good in this hate-driven media circus either. 

 

bekayne
NorthReport
bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

So far the score must at least be by now:

rob ford - 10

taranna star - zero

Stephen Harper and Rob Ford although they probably won't be seen together in public as buddy-buddy, must be having a good chuckle this weekend. It would not surprise me if they even chatted with each other as well.

Most people after they bang their head against the wall a few times stop because it hurts., but not the Star.

Doesn't the star ever get tired of losing? 

And what bout the CBC Newsworld and their jumping on the bandwagon as they been running the story 24/7 as well it seems. They are not looking too good in this hate-driven media circus either. 

 

Ford & Harper are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers

 

NorthReport

It's the weekend, let's all lighten up.

What would Bill Clinton have said here? Laughing

Full text of Toronto Mayor Rob Ford's statement denying crack cocaine use

Read more: http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Full+text+Toronto+Mayor+Fords+statement+denying+crack+cocaine/8432266/story.html#ixzz2UHJf8qnm

 

bekayne

Just saw this in the Comments section at the Guardian:

keqrops

 

25 May 2013 6:09am

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From reading various Toronto journalistic figures' Twitter feeds tonight, it looks like the Globe and Mail (Canada's newspaper of record, for those elsewhere) is finally running as their big Saturday lead a story they've had for 18 months about the Ford family's connections to the drug trade in Toronto.

If they've got anything substantial, Rob and his brother and fellow councillor Doug may be in for an interesting few days.

 

     

    mark_alfred

    Well, I was out getting ripped on psychoactive substances, and came back and enjoyed reading all the updates. 

    Note, the quote I gave in post 429 was from memory after just hearing Ford's nonsense, and likely contained some inaccuracies.  I should not have cited it as an actual quote of Ford's statement (though I'm sure it was close).  My apologies.

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