The Official Couillard Liberals Scandal/Outrage Thread

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Matthieu

So, is the fraud at the SIQ from liberal fundraisers making any waves in the Anglophone media? I get that the Police scandal is terrible for democracy, and thus getting bigger airplay, but the SIQ fraud was huge in scope and cost millions of dollars in taxpayer money (at least 47 millions).

The Sklavounos sexual assault allegations? That one has disappeared from the news completely. 

Matthieu

So, is the fraud at the SIQ from liberal fundraisers making any waves in the Anglophone media? I get that the Police scandal is terrible for democracy, and thus getting bigger airplay, but the SIQ fraud was huge in scope and cost millions of dollars in taxpayer money (at least 47 millions).

The Sklavounos sexual assault allegations? That one has disappeared from the news completely. 

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Gerry Sklavounos vows to uphold 'fundamental value' of gender equality upon return to work

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Premier Philippe Couillard said Sklavounos's return to the Liberal caucus hinges, in part, on him making a "sincere statement" on his views about relationships between men and women in the workplace.

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alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Bombardier..Again another billion dollars,again massive lay offs and again CEO's award themselves a 50% raise. No more corporate welfare.the party must stop for good.No more.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

I'll just suggest again that if Bombardier wants munnee, they could always finish building and deliver Toronto's missing streetcars.

If a bakery goes out of business because nobody wants bread and nobody wants to pay for it, that's unfortunate.

If a bakery goes out of business when someone wants bread and wants to pay for it but the bakery doesn't bake the bread, what are we to say?

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If that same bakery needs public funds to survive and continuously fires its employees so the baker can pocket all the money,it should die a quick and painful death.

lagatta4

The Liberals aren't taking Sklavounos back. I'd love to see him as an independent against another Liberal candidate, meaning a better chance for Québec Solidaire's Andrés Fontecilla. QS won handily in the Villeray part of the riding; the problem is how to break the Liberal control over Park-Ex. And no, it isn't simply a matter of a "federalist" vote: the NDP faced the same voting pattern in the corresponding federal riding, Papineau. 

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Finance Minister Carlos Leitao suggested Québec 'opt out' when marijuana is legalized next year. Couillard suggested the same.

News flash to the PLQ and CAQ. Federal law trumps provincial law. Hopefully by next year Couillard and his gang of bums will be history and a more competent party like the PQ takes over.

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News flash to the PLQ and CAQ. Federal law trumps provincial law.

Does it?

If Ottawa leaves details such as required age to the Provinces, and a Province says "OK, you can buy cannabis in this Province if you're 98 years of age and have a letter of permission from both parents", then what?

I'm certainly not hoping they do that.  But I'm not convinced that Federal > Provincial > Municipal always holds water.  And I think it could be a mistake to assume that Ottawa always wins.

Quick example:  does Federal law prohibit me from having a business sign in English?

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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News flash to the PLQ and CAQ. Federal law trumps provincial law.

Does it?

If Ottawa leaves details such as required age to the Provinces, and a Province says "OK, you can buy cannabis in this Province if you're 98 years of age and have a letter of permission from both parents", then what?

I'm certainly not hoping they do that.  But I'm not convinced that Federal > Provincial > Munipal always holds water.  And I think it could be a mistake to assume that Ottawa always wins.

Quick example:  does Federal law prohibit me from having a business sign in English?

When marijuana is legalized and Québec uses some obscure clause which makes cannabis illegal in the province,I'm sure that would cause some angry protests,

And what are they going to do? It's a federal law,I can dance the charleston on the graves of soldiers if Ottawa made that legal and Québec could do nothing about it.

I'm reading a lot of bullshit in the papers of people freaking out over this. Landlords for example and the disgusting front page of the Journal de Montréal today.

I'm in a position to praise Ottawa for something. This happens rarely if ever. I don't think I'm alone but the outrage is juvenile. Couillard,Letaio,Barrette and the CAQ can go fuck themselves. It's happening whether they like it or not.

Could you imagine a province prohibiting alcohol. How long would it take for people to get angry and defy the law.

Couillard,by his refusal to accept legal cannabis  is handing out drugs to your kids and protecting organized crime's profits. This doesn't just apply to Couillard. Any MNA who speaks against that should be outed for what they really are. Enablers and gangsters and everyone should know that. As asn opposition party,my commercials would charge these rogue MNA's and the Premier as being in bed with organized crime and that they indirectly and directly putting drugs in the hands of your kids. I wouldn't fuck around.

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I can dance the charleston on the graves of soldiers if Ottawa made that legal and Québec could do nothing about it.

Could you advertise this dance in Quebec, with a sign that puts English larger than French?

Federal law would permit it.  Could Quebec do anything about THAT?

Again, Alan, I'm absolutely NOT hoping your Province goes "Reefer Madness" on you.  I'm only questioning how effective it will be to say "But... Ottawa...?!"

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Couillard,by his refusal to accept legal cannabis  is handing out drugs to your kids and protecting organized crime's profits. This doesn't just apply to Couillard. Any MNA who speaks against that should be outed for what they really are. Enablers and gangsters and everyone should know that. As asn opposition party,my commercials would charge these rogue MNA's and the Premier as being in bed with organized crime and that they indirectly and directly putting drugs in the hands of your kids. I wouldn't fuck around.

Okay. Can we all agree that Justin Trudeau, by not legalizing any drug other than marijuana, is distributing all other drugs to kids?

Honestly, I'm still rather amazed that no politician has taken the obvious step of generalizing Trudeau's arguments about legalizing marijuana to PROTECT THE KIDS!! and applied them to every other prohibited drug. There's glaringly obvious hypocrisy on display here, in that Trudeau and his cabinet refuse to admit that they're legalizing weed because it's popular, relatively harmless, and a critical mass of voters want to smoke it. They have a superficially good line, with the KIDS!!! and all, but in making that their slogan, they've essentially admitted that they don't care about KIDS!! getting their hands on meth, just weed.

lagatta4

Yes, there is a huge cloud of bullshit in the air. I googled Journal de Montréal (oh dear) and all I saw as a lead was a story about a win for the Canadiens. The only "disgusting" thing was a story about a pâtisserie with mice, disgusting not because of the mice but because I know that the business in question happens to be Haitian, and pure-laine bakeries get mice (and rats) too. 

Other than fighting the mob (Mafia, biker gangs, so-called "street gangs"...) and raising some revenue on something people buy, the main reason to legalize it it is that cannabis use has been generalized for at least a couple of generations and people smoke it and otherwise ingest it in all sectors and classes of society, with relatively little ill effect. And it is still illegal, meaning that the law, while not used so much any more, can be enforced and leave otherwise law-abiding people with criminal records (especially young people, not that boomers don't consume it, but like alcoholic bevvies, they are more likely to consume it at home or other "safe" settings) . Not legalizing it is criminally stupid. The current Québec Liberal Party is utterly out of touch with their own society. 

Often the enforcement of out-of-date and stupid laws is racialized, class-based or otherwise discriminatory. Not long ago a Haitian man in Montréal-Nord was shot by the police as he was trying to flee when they were trying to nab him for some weed. 

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Couillard,by his refusal to accept legal cannabis  is handing out drugs to your kids and protecting organized crime's profits. This doesn't just apply to Couillard. Any MNA who speaks against that should be outed for what they really are. Enablers and gangsters and everyone should know that. As asn opposition party,my commercials would charge these rogue MNA's and the Premier as being in bed with organized crime and that they indirectly and directly putting drugs in the hands of your kids. I wouldn't fuck around.

Okay. Can we all agree that Justin Trudeau, by not legalizing any drug other than marijuana, is distributing all other drugs to kids?

Honestly, I'm still rather amazed that no politician has taken the obvious step of generalizing Trudeau's arguments about legalizing marijuana to PROTECT THE KIDS!! and applied them to every other prohibited drug. There's glaringly obvious hypocrisy on display here, in that Trudeau and his cabinet refuse to admit that they're legalizing weed because it's popular, relatively harmless, and a critical mass of voters want to smoke it. They have a superficially good line, with the KIDS!!! and all, but in making that their slogan, they've essentially admitted that they don't care about KIDS!! getting their hands on meth, just weed.

It took almost 100 years to re- legalize cannabis. And people are freaking out. Baby steps. I agree that all drugs should be legalized,regulated and taxed.But that's not going to happen soon.

I remember being a teenager and taking alot of drugs but cannabis was the go to.

Admit that the Liberals got this right. I know you'd probably rather deflect and twist my post.

I was talking about the situation in Québec. It's the Québec government that wants to keep it illegal,not the Feds.

I'd like to raise some money and post what I said about Couillard  (and the entire National Assembly)all over the province. We all know that our government is already corrupt. Attack ads on political parties (basically the PLQ,CAQ and PQ)is quite effective. Insinuating they are gangsters,crooks who work for the underground and that they are putting cannabis in the hands would not surprise many.

It's called taking action and I hope (and unusually optimistic) that the majority of Quebecers would be perplexed if an option to continue prohibiting is imposed while other provinces enjoy this Federal law.

And Magoo...Québec was recognized as a French province years ago. Bill 101 stood because there was no opposition. Québec is still and always has been treated very delicately..because,you know something called national unity? The Feds were afraid what the reaction would be if they interfered,stores gave little push back to accomodating name changes (mostly words with a 's at the end)

Apart from identity,recognition and protecting the culture of Québec,we are obliged to follow thew law of the land,Ottawa calls the shots not the Couilard government.

So trying to equate our language laws with marijuana laws doesn't work.

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lagatta4

Alan, I think there is an image in your last post, and I can't view it. 

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lagatta4 wrote:

Alan, I think there is an image in your last post, and I can't view it. 

I'm sorry about that...I found yesterday's Journal front page but for some strange reason I can't insert the image.

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That gives me a good reason to pop into my beautiful local library, Bibliothèque Marc-Favreau. 

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Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

On the one hand I wonder, "is building more condos an essential service now??".

On the other hand I wonder "is the sticking point a 4.2% increase to kickbacks??"

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In Canada workers have the right to go on strike. How long they stay on strike is determined by their bargaining power. If they have a strong hand they get ordered back to work. If their employer has locked them out or they have gone on strike with a weak hand then they can stay on strike till they starve. That is what workers rights looks like on our "democracy."

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Quebec Premier Couillard, in change of tone, ties Michigan attack to Islam

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“You cannot disconnect this type of event, terrorism, from Islam in general,” Mr. Couillard said.

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