Republican Convention
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:18
#1
Boom Boom
Republican Convention
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:18
#2
Boom Boom
This doesn't start until next week, but the VP running mates thread is closed, so I'm starting this thread now.
McCain should announce his VP at noon today, and it will be either Romney or Pawlenty, according to CBC the only two left running for GOP Veep.
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:20
#3
Boom Boom
The CBC's Henry Champ reporting from Denver said McCain is constrained in his choice of a Veep by having to choose a pro-life candidate. He had a larger crowd to draw from, but many of them supported choice, and his handlers said having a choice candidate would kill the GOP's evangelical base.
[ 29 August 2008: Message edited by: Boom Boom ]
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:20
#4
I have read that Sarah Palin (currently Alaska's governor) is also a strong possibility. Looking for a link now.[url=http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/mccain.vp/index.html?iref=24h...
quote:
But Pawlenty on Friday told WCCO Radio in Minneapolis-St. Paul that he will not be in Dayton, suggesting that he will not be McCain's choice.Thursday night's arrival of a private jet from Alaska at the Middleton, Ohio, airport raised speculation that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin would be McCain's pick. Middleton is 25 miles from Dayton.
Rich Bevis, an airport manager at the Middleton airport, said that a woman, two men and two teenagers were onboard.
"This is the most secretive flight we've ever had," Bevis said.
[ 29 August 2008: Message edited by: Ghislaine ]
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:22
#5
Boom Boom
Both the Dem and GOP conventions have a lot of music to offer - the Dems will be oriented to the MTV generation, and GOP's will be oriented to CMT. Yee haw! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:25
#6
Boom Boom
quote:
Originally posted by Ghislaine:
I have read that Sarah Palin (currently Alaska's governor) is also a strong possibility.
I had no idea. Thanks! I also didn't know Pawlenty was out.
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:27
#7
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]The CBC's Henry Champ reporting from Denver said McCain is constrained in his choice of a Veep by having to choose a pro-life candidate. He had a larger crowd to draw from, but many of them supported choice, and his handlers said having a choice candidate would kill the GOP's evangelical base.[ 29 August 2008: Message edited by: Boom Boom ][/b]
Palin is definitely
[url=http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=64876]pro-life:[/url]
quote:
Only one year into her governorship and with four children at home already, a child with Down syndrome would present serious challenges. Studies in the late 90s showed that more than 80 percent of prenatal Down syndrome diagnoses end in abortion.Ending the pregnancy, however, was never an option for the Palins. On April 18, Sarah Palin gave birth to a 6-pound, 2-ounce son, Trig Paxson Van Palin.
"We've both been very vocal about being pro-life," Palin told the Associated Press, speaking of herself and her husband, Todd. "We understand that every innocent life has wonderful potential."
The day after the birth, the Palins released the following statement: "Trig is beautiful and already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed."
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:27
#8
Lard Tunderin Jeezus
With near-Katrina intensity Hurricane [url=http://www.weatherforyou.com/maps/hurricanes_tropical_storms.html]Gustav... due to hit on Monday (currently a 'tropical storm', expected to hit hurricane level 3 by Gulf coast landfall), there is talk of postponing the Republican convention.
Wouldn't want all that guilt bringing the delegates down.
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:28
#9
quote:
Originally posted by Ghislaine:
[b]I have read that Sarah Palin (currently Alaska's governor) is also a strong possibility.[/b]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin]She would be McCain's best choice. [/url] Will he dare?
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Palin1.JPG/225p...
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:31
#10
quote:
Originally posted by Lard Tunderin' Jeezus:
[b]With near-Katrina intensity Hurricane [url=http://www.weatherforyou.com/maps/hurricanes_tropical_storms.html]Gustav... due to hit on Monday (currently a 'tropical storm', expected to hit hurricane level 3 by Gulf coast landfall), there is talk of postponing the Republican convention.Wouldn't want all that guilt bringing the delegates down.[/b]
Really, eh? Any reminders of how horribly FEMA handled Katrina under Bush would be horrible.
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:36
#11
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
[b]She would be McCain's best choice.[/b]
Why do you think so?
Fri, 2008-08-29 05:42
#12
quote:
Originally posted by Ghislaine:
[b]I have read that Sarah Palin (currently Alaska's governor) is also a strong possibility.[/b]
[url=http://www.mccainpalin.com/]McCain * Palin 2008[/url]
Fri, 2008-08-29 06:00
#13
Boom Boom
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]Both the Dem and GOP conventions have a lot of music to offer - the Dems will be oriented to the MTV generation, and GOP's will be oriented to CMT. Yee haw! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
I wish the Dixie Chicks and Willie Nelson had performed in Denver. Oh, and by the way, before I forget, [b]FUTK![/b]
Fri, 2008-08-29 06:07
#14
Palin might be an interesting choice for US arctic policies; of interest to both Canada and Russia. I wonder if an Alaska governor as VP would have any substantial effect on American foreign policy in the arctic?
Fri, 2008-08-29 06:43
#15
Boom Boom
quote:
Originally posted by It's Me D:
[b]Palin might be an interesting choice for US arctic policies; of interest to both Canada and Russia. I wonder if an Alaska governor as VP would have any substantial effect on American foreign policy in the arctic?[/b]
Oh, I have no doubt, and maybe the GOP are thinking of this already. Canada makes a claim to the North West Passage which the US disputes. An Alaska person as VP would likely want to flex some muscle - say a permanent US presence (warship) in the North West Passage? [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2008-08-29 06:45
#16
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
[b]Why do you think so?[/b]
1. All those Hillary Clinton voters.
2. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin]Brought to statewide attention because of her whistleblowing on ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders, she won election in 2006 by first defeating the incumbent governor in the Republican primary.[/url] Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest. After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail. Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine. Despite the lack of support from party leaders and being outspent by her Democratic opponent, she went on to win the general election in November 2006, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles. Palin's tenure is noted for her independence from big oil companies, while still promoting resource development.
3. She hunts, eats moose burgers, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.
4. She briefly worked as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations while also working as a commercial fisherman with her husband, Todd. Todd is a Native Yup'ik Eskimo.
5. Palin's first veto was used to block legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to gay state employees and their partners. In effect, her veto granted State of Alaska benefits to same-sex couples.
6. In 1984, Palin was second-place in the Miss Alaska beauty pageant after winning the Miss Wasilla contest earlier that year, winning a scholarship to help pay her way through college. She is 44.
[ 29 August 2008: Message edited by: Wilf Day ]
Fri, 2008-08-29 06:47
#17
Boom Boom
quote:
Originally posted by Lard Tunderin' Jeezus:
With near-Katrina intensity Hurricane [url=http://www.weatherforyou.com/maps/hurricanes_tropical_storms.html]Gustav... due to hit on Monday (currently a 'tropical storm', expected to hit hurricane level 3 by Gulf coast landfall), there is talk of postponing the Republican convention.
I heard Henry Champ this morning say that McCain's camp is suggesting the convention continue as planned, but that McCain himself fly down to NO as a show of concern, and that he is different than GW Bush. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
I would guess, like Obama in Denver, he's not really needed until the last day of the convention.
Fri, 2008-08-29 06:50
#18
Boom Boom
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
3. She hunts, eats moose burgers, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane.
Wow! I'd vote for her! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2008-08-29 06:52
#19
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
[b]
1. All those Hillary Clinton voters.2. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin]Brought to statewide attention because of her whistleblowing on ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders, she won election in 2006 by first defeating the incumbent governor in the Republican primary.[/url] Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest. After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail. Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine. Despite the lack of support from party leaders and being outspent by her Democratic opponent, she went on to win the general election in November 2006, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles. Palin's tenure is noted for her independence from big oil companies, while still promoting resource development.
3. She hunts, eats moose burgers, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.
4. She briefly worked as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations while also working as a commercial fisherman with her husband, Todd. Todd is a Native Yup'ik Eskimo.
5. Palin's first veto was used to block legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to gay state employees and their partners. In effect, her veto granted State of Alaska benefits to same-sex couples.
6. In 1984, Palin was second-place in the Miss Alaska beauty pageant after winning the Miss Wasilla contest earlier that year, winning a scholarship to help pay her way through college. She is 44.
[ 29 August 2008: Message edited by: Wilf Day ][/b]
Marijuana used to be legal in Alaska?? Too bad that has changed!
Fri, 2008-08-29 06:57
#20
I find the Palin selection somewhat surprising. She's from a backwater state. Additionally, she's a young woman with children so a lot of social conservatives might be of the opinion she should not be taking on a time-consuming job. On the other hand, she is hard-working and a white woman so it serves as a quasi-transparent attempt to poach Hillary Clinton supporters.
Fri, 2008-08-29 07:10
#21
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]. . . it serves as a quasi-transparent attempt to poach Hillary Clinton supporters.[/b]
I asked my wife if it wasn't a bit too obvious. She replied "American voters are stupid. They'll buy it."
Fri, 2008-08-29 07:34
#22
Sven
quote:
[b]3. She hunts, eats moose burgers, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane.[/b]
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]Wow! I'd vote for her! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
That's my kinda woman. A beer drinker.
Fri, 2008-08-29 07:42
#23
Boom Boom
But I [b]did[/b] add a 'big grin' smiley to my post - so it's not be taken too seriously. She's very pro-life, and a member of the NRA, among other things, so, in all truthfulness, I wouldn't consider her worthy of my vote at all.
However, I [b]do[/b] wear a baseball cap every day, I drive a skidoo all winter, and I drive a pickup truck, I have a chain saw, I listen to the Dixies, Willie, Kristofferson, Cash, Merle Haggard (of "Okie From Muskogee") fame, Patsy Cline, Dolly Parton, Waylon Jennings, and the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, so maybe I [b]do[/b] have something in common with her, after all. [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]
[ 29 August 2008: Message edited by: Boom Boom ]
Fri, 2008-08-29 07:50
#24
She is also anti-choice and very Conservative on soical issues. She is also accused of trying to fire and influence a police matter by having a staffer contacting State Police officials.
But she is a woman so nothing else matters. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
[ 29 August 2008: Message edited by: Left J.A.B. ]
Fri, 2008-08-29 07:57
#25
It is [url=http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mccain-picks-palin-as-running-mate-2008... [/url] - Sarah Palin will be John McCain's running mate.
Fri, 2008-08-29 07:58
#26
Boom Boom
Choosing her may just be a brilliant move by McCain - it could release a huge torrent of renewed anger at Obama for not choosing Hillary as his Veep. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:01
#27
So Sarah Palin is now officially the first female vice presidential nominee for the GOP; if (when?) the Republicans win the election she'll be America's first female Vice President. Its not quite the first female President that might have been but its still a significant first isn't it? I'd be interested to hear what babbler's think about this, especially as she's a Republican and given some of the not-so-progressive elements of her record that have been aired here in the last few posts. Does this feel like another Margaret Thatcher? Why is it that women (seemingly) have a greater likelihood to achieve executive power on the right than on the left? (here in the Anglo-American empire anyway, I am aware that there is more to the world out there [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img] )
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:12
#28
remind
Frankly, I do not believe that Hilary Clinton feminist supporters would ever consider voting for the Republicans just because the VP might be a woman. Especially when said woman's views are anti-choice. They know the threat woman's rights are under from the Republican right and have been fighting to stop them.
It would be equivalent to she who writes her name all in caps running for the leadership of the CPC. Canadian feminists would not vote for her just because she was a woman and a leader of a party.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:16
#29
ceti
What the Hillary obsession indicates however is that identity trumps every other concern.
The Obama obsession indicates the same thing for that matter.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:18
#30
One interesting thing about the McCain/Palin ticket is that they both have sons that are or will be soon serving in Iraq (Palin's son is set to begin his first tour of duty in Sept.) Definitely a huge change from George Bush's "record" in the military and Cheney's utter and complete invisibility.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:19
#31
Sven
She's certainly going to fire up the right-wing base. In the mean time, McCain himself will focus on independents...who are the people who will really decide this election.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:19
#32
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]Frankly, I do not believe that Hilary Clinton feminist supporters would ever consider voting for the Republicans just because the VP might be a woman. Especially when said woman's views are anti-choice. They know the threat woman's rights are under from the Republican right and have been fighting to stop them.It would be equivalent to she who writes her name all in caps running for the leadership of the CPC. Canadian feminists would not vote for her just because she was a woman and a leader of a party.[/b]
Do you mean Elizabeth May? I did not she always used caps....?
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:23
#33
remind
No
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:23
#34
[url=http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm]Is Obama pro-wolf and pro-bear?[/url]
quote:
Palin supports the aerial hunting of wolves and bears, and even spent $400,000 of state money to fund a media campaign to try and convince Alaskans to support aerial shooting (even though Alaskans have voted against it, twice!).
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:26
#35
One thing this reveals is the absolute hypocriscy of the right. Obama is too inexperienced to be the commander in chief crap is about all they have going for them. However, some old guy who is in declining health can pick an inexperienced Governor of a small population state to the the VP?
The depth of thier hubris is amazing
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:28
#36
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]No[/b]
Oh - Belinda Stronach?
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:33
#37
Sven
[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=2n]Announcement Live[/url]
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:34
#38
quote:
Originally posted by Ghislaine:
[b]It is [url=http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mccain-picks-palin-as-running-mate-2008... [/url] - Sarah Palin will be John McCain's running mate.[/b]
On a trivial note, it will be interesting to see the results of the (surely inevitable) "makeover".
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:39
#39
quote:
Originally posted by It's Me D:
[b]So Sarah Palin is now officially the first female vice presidential nominee for the GOP; if (when?) the Republicans win the election she'll be America's first female Vice President. Its not quite the first female President that might have been but its still a significant first isn't it? I'd be interested to hear what babbler's think about this, especially as she's a Republican and given some of the not-so-progressive elements of her record that have been aired here in the last few posts. Does this feel like another Margaret Thatcher? Why is it that women (seemingly) have a greater likelihood to achieve executive power on the right than on the left? (here in the Anglo-American empire anyway, I am aware that there is more to the world out there [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img] )[/b]
Because women are perceived as soft and men as mean, the stereotype of mommy and daddy, democrats are the mommy party and republicans the daddy party. So right-wing women come off as more moderate and sane. The same does not seem to apply to left-wing men.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:39
#40
Sven
She looks like she's be a formidable campaigner (on the "retail politics circuit"). Debates may be a whole different story...
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:39
#41
quote:
Originally posted by RosaL:
[b]On a trivial note, it will be interesting to see the results of the (surely inevitable) "makeover".[/b]
I know - I already read somewhere that they will want to make her "hotter" or some other ridiculous term like that. The fact that she was a beauty queen is being placed beside her record as governor as if they are the same types of things and acheivements. ugh-sexism.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:40
#42
Boom Boom
CNN just called her a "staunch conservative". I think this just turned into a real contest between Obama and McCain.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:40
#43
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
[b]She looks like she's be a formidable campaigner (on the "retail politics circuit"). Debates may be a whole different story...[/b]
Retail politics?
There are 300 million people to reach out to over the next two months.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:42
#44
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]Retail politics?
There are 300 million people to reach out to over the next two months.[/b]
There are about a dozen states in play. She'll be living in those states for the next two months.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:44
#45
[url=http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/29/112757/660]This blog compares her to Spiro Agnew:[/url]
quote:
Prior to being sworn in as the Governor of Alaska a mere 19 months ago, Palin served as the mayor and a city councilor of the small city of Wasilla, which according to 2005 census estimates had a population of 8,471. This is one of the two thinnest resumes of any major party vice presidential nominee since 1936, the only other nominee to match her level of inexperience being Agnew, who had also only served two years as Governor (though of the significantly larger state of Maryland) by the time he was sworn in as Vice President in January 1969.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:45
#46
remind
quote:
Originally posted by Ghislaine:
[b]Oh - Belinda Stronach?[/b]
Now, that is an interesting suggestion. I could possibly vote for her, under intersecting circumstances, and if she was going to govern the Liberal Party from the left.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:45
#47
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
[b]There are about a dozen states in play. She'll be living in those states for the next two months.[/b]
Michigan, ohio, pensylvannia, florida alone are too big for much retail politics.
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:46
#48
Sven
Willowdale Wizard, it is incredibly thin.
The flip side is, she's going to appeal to a lot of people because of her "Average Jane" kind of background. She's the antithesis of the career politician.
This will be interesting...
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:51
#49
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
[b]Willowdale Wizard, it is incredibly thin.The flip side is, she's going to appeal to a lot of people because of her "Average Jane" kind of background. She's the antithesis of the career politician.
This will be interesting...[/b]
Is her resume that much thinner than Obama's?
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:55
#50
Yes
Fri, 2008-08-29 08:55
#51
Well, it may be interesting. She could do three foreign-policy flubs in the first week and sink herself. [url=http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/22/palins-flight-labor-falls-unde... are going to start poring over her entire history, things like her taking a plane flight 9 hours before giving birth.[/url]