Presidential Debate 3
Wed, 2008-10-15 12:38
#1
Boom Boom
Presidential Debate 3
Wed, 2008-10-15 12:38
#2
Boom Boom
Just about five hours away from the final debate - will McCain refer to his rival tonight again as "That one"? Polls everywhere show McCain trailing Obama, some by as much 7 points, and I think I heard on CNN last night that Obama has sewn up the electoral college votes he needs.
Wed, 2008-10-15 13:14
#3
7 points? That's the average Obama lead these days. A CBS poll showed Obama ahead... 53-39.
Wed, 2008-10-15 13:37
#4
He's going to talk about Bill Ayers, planetariums and communism.
Wed, 2008-10-15 13:38
#5
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]He's going to talk about Bill Ayers, planetariums and communism.[/b]
You know, I always suspected that planetaria with incubators of communism.
Wed, 2008-10-15 13:42
#6
It's going to be fun I think. Obama forced McCain to promise his lunatic fringe to bring up Ayers in the debate, by saying McCain was afraid to say it to his face. Brilliant idea, in my opinion. After all, everything they're nattering on about has been thoroughly debunked months ago, on the MSM, even. Of course, now the old footage will get a ratings boost, and the media will play ball. Obama's learned a lot from the primaries, imo...
[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/presidential-debate-moder_n_117...
Wed, 2008-10-15 14:07
#7
ElizaQ
[QUOTE]Originally posted by djelimon:
[b]It's going to be fun I think. Obama forced McCain to promise his lunatic fringe to bring up Ayers in the debate, by saying McCain was afraid to say it to his face. Brilliant idea, in my opinion. After all, everything they're nattering on about has been thoroughly debunked months ago, on the MSM, even. Of course, now the old footage will get a ratings boost, and the media will play ball. Obama's learned a lot from the primaries, imo...
[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/presidential-debate-moder_n_117... UOTE]
Heh yeah it should be interesting to see if McCain does actually bring it up. He's in a total damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I'm sure Obama has a plan for dealing with it, he no doubt had one last debate as well. I'm wondering what Obama's response is going to be. He has numerous different ways of dealing with it including a whole laundry list of associations that he could play around with.
If McCain doesn't bring it up then he's screwed himself with his base supporters. They were furious enough last time that he wimped out. They don't want just Ayers brought up, they want every single nutjob rumor and story brought up, convinced that "If the people would just hear all these things then everyone will flock to McCain in an instant."
The fact is that the MSM has been talking about Ayers for a couple of weeks now. They've been talking about whether they should be talking about Ayers and they've been talking about other people talking about Ayers and they've been talking around and around about whether McCain and Palin should be talking about Ayers and what it all means stategically to be talking about Ayers. These past few days have see the MSM now talking about how talking about Ayers doesn't seem to be making any inroads with people so maybe talking about Ayers isn't such a good thing." [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
Now though they appear to have moved on and are talking about ACORN. See the basic pattern above to get an idea of how that is going.
Wed, 2008-10-15 17:51
#8
Boom Boom
less than ten minutes away - got the popcorn ready....
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:00
#9
Boom Boom
Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney are in the audience according to CNN - are debating if Bill is really on the Obama bandwagon...
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:01
#10
Boom Boom
News veteran Bob Schieffer is the moderator...
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:05
#11
ElizaQ
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney are in the audience according to CNN - are debating if Bill is really on the Obama bandwagon...[/b]
Clinton is apparently going to be one of Obama's after the debate spin alley surrogates tonight.
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:05
#12
Boom Boom
McCain - "Americans are angry, angry, angry, angry..." referring to economic times
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:07
#13
Boom Boom
Obama - need rescue pakage for the middle class, not just Wall Street
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:10
#14
Boom Boom
Good sparring back and forth on tax plans...
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:14
#15
Boom Boom
"Joe the Plumber...." [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Turning into a snooze fest....
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:16
#16
bagkitty
Why do John McCain's eyes look like he is channeling Jack Nicholson in the Shining?
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:21
#17
Boom Boom
Idiot McCain mentioned the 3 million for an overhead projector in Obama's district - McCain is making shit up...
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:22
#18
ElizaQ
Well look Boom Boom you have to dig down into the amazing and intelligent subliminal messaging that McCain is putting out here. "Joe Six Pack" is now "Joe the Plumber" He got a job! Ergo, the economy really isn't that bad. Get it? He's being really tricky...but I'm on to him. *sagenod*
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:25
#19
Boom Boom
- arguing who has the better record as a reformer...
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:31
#20
Boom Boom
Holy cow! McCain is looking at Obama this time, and directing comments to him to his face - finally! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:38
#21
Boom Boom
Asshole McCain smirking after bringing up Ayers and ACORN..... Obama on the defensive, doing a good job...
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:41
#22
Boom Boom
The moderator is letting McCain get away with really outrageous shit...
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:57
#23
ElizaQ
He brought up Ayers? Crap I missed it I had to go outside and deal with the dogs. Geez, figures...
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:59
#24
McCain in a fraud....he unbeleivably bad in this debate.
Wed, 2008-10-15 18:59
#25
Boom Boom
McCain is truly scary - overlooks intimidation and assassinations of labour leaders in Columbia to get a free trade agreement there...
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:00
#26
Joe the farmer now???
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:02
#27
ElizaQ
quote:
Originally posted by windsorworker:
[b]Joe the farmer now???[/b]
Joe is a multi-talented guy I guess.
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:03
#28
Boom Boom
God help us all if McCain becomes Prez... [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img] [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img] [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img] [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:04
#29
Boom Boom
"Hey Joe - you're rich - congratulations!" [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:06
#30
ElizaQ
Is it just my bias or is McCain coming across as totally, angry, bitter and somewhat nuts?
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:07
#31
Boom Boom
"Roe vs Wade" now...
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:10
#32
ElizaQ
...as well as just 'random'. The way he thinks is just globbing things together is just creeping me out.
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:10
#33
Boom Boom
...talking about Supreme Court justices... Obama supports Roe vs Wade, McCain strongly opposed it - no surprises there
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:21
#34
Boom Boom
...a long debate on abortion, McCain tried - unsuccesfully - to grossly distort Obama's positions on the issue - Obama had a great
comeback
- Obama is by far the better debater
- McCain probably had the "Joe The Plumber" vote sewn up - maybe.
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:33
#35
ElizaQ
There's is actually a real Joe the Plumber. I feel for the guy. He's liable to get swamped by the media who want to ask him that very question.
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:35
#36
Boom Boom
CNN post debate analysis: "We haven't heard so much about plumbers since Nixon..." [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:39
#37
ElizaQ
[url=http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/spread-the-weal.html]Joe the Plumber and Obama Discuss Taxes[/url]
Joe is now famous I think.
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:40
#38
ElizaQ
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]CNN post debate analysis: "We haven't heard so much about plumbers since Nixon..." [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
They actually said that?????
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:47
#39
Boom Boom
Yeah, it was from Bill Bennett, the Republican commentator. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Wed, 2008-10-15 19:51
#40
ElizaQ
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]Yeah, it was from Bill Bennett, the Republican commentator. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
LOL
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:05
#41
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]He's going to talk about Bill Ayers, planetariums and communism.[/b]
I think you're 2 1/2 for 3.
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:10
#42
McCain was running the "wealth distribution" argument for a good long while, which I thought would play well with "centrist" Americans. But the polls just came in, and according to that, Obama slammed McCain once again. I think 61-38. Favourability numbers are in the high-60s for Obama, mid-40s for McCain.
Unless Obama really is a terrorist, and McCain can prove it, this election is OVER.
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:13
#43
Boom Boom
I'm surprised Obama didn't attack back when McCain raised Obama's so-called spending on "$3million for an overhead projector in his district" - I guess Obama knows everyone realizes McCain is full of shit on this issue and just ignored it.
Did anyone besides me notice McCain bulging out his eyes a lot tonight? Especially after Obama caught him a lie. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:17
#44
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]I'm surprised Obama didn't attack back when McCain raised Obama's so-called spending on "$3million for an overhead projector in his district" - I guess Obama knows everyone realizes McCain is full of shit on this issue and just ignored it.Did anyone besides me notice McCain bulging out his eyes a lot tonight? Especially after Obama caught him a lie. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
I was listening to the debate while doing homework. I think that's why I thought the debate was closer than most people did. But I did look up long enough to hear...
"Here's Joe's fine: ZERO"
McCain: "Zero?"
He nearly fell out of his chair. I think that the whole cool calm collected vs. angry old man contrast contributed alot to McCain's defeat.
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:21
#45
This was an irratating debate:
- We get the point about Joe the plumber. Should he pay taxes when he fixes toilets for $250, 000/year or not? We know their stands.
- One guy is against the "proabortion" movement and trivialized the exception of mother's health, the other guy says an abortion is between a woman, her doctor, her family and her religious guides or something like that.
- McCain is still bitter about the Adler planetarium.
****
Overall though, Obama is a really good debater. He responds to all of McCain's points, he seems to be aware of all of them and he deconstructs them in a very calm and rational manner. McCain looked like a rejected smartass.
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:23
#46
ElizaQ
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]I'm surprised Obama didn't attack back when McCain raised Obama's so-called spending on "$3million for an overhead projector in his district" - I guess Obama knows everyone realizes McCain is full of shit on this issue and just ignored it.Did anyone besides me notice McCain bulging out his eyes a lot tonight? Especially after Obama caught him a lie. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
Yeah and he blinks a whole heck of a lot too. It got rather distracting.
Obama seems to ignore a lot of things that he technically could call McCain on. He seems to be quite good at picking and choosing the important ones or the ones that will have the most impact.
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:25
#47
Boom Boom
quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:
"Here's Joe's fine: ZERO"
McCain: "Zero?"He nearly fell out of his chair.
I saw that too - it was hilarious. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:25
#48
You know, I just read the dialogue between Joe the plumber and Obama, and I thought Obama gave an excellent response.
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:26
#49
quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:
[b]I think you're 2 1/2 for 3.[/b]
WOOHOO !!!!!
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:27
#50
Oh my god. More poll numbers, and Obama seems to be crushing McCain in every catagory. His worst subject (I thought) was taxes, and he won... by 15 points.
Fork. Election. Done.
Well, I need to get back to homework.
[ 15 October 2008: Message edited by: West Coast Greeny ]
Wed, 2008-10-15 20:35
#51
ElizaQ
quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:
I think that the whole cool calm collected vs. angry old man contrast contributed alot to McCain's defeat.[/QB]
I think that you are correct. Obama seems to know what people are looking for right now. McCain was right at the beginning is that people are angry, they are upset and are worried. What he doesn't get is that people don't seem to want a person in charge that is angry and aggressive.
During the first debate I followed along on a strongly pro-obama supporter board and during the whole thing they were upset that Obama wasn't more aggressive, that he didn't attack McCain back, that he missed so many opportunities to land a sucker punch. They overall thought he lost until the polls from the independents and undecideds started coming in that showed otherwise.
Obama seems to know exactly who he is speaking to in these debates, not the political geeks or his diehard base but the average person.
McCain on the other hand doesn't seem to get it. There has been more then enough analysis that his aggressive attack style just doesn't play well with the voters that he needs. He didn't learn, or was incapable of learning. It's still the playbook fro previous elections. His base seems to love what he did tonight, in their eyes he stuck it to Obama.
The polls that are coming in though indicate that for the average person. Not so much.