American socialists deny responsibility for Barack Obama
Mon, 2008-10-20 19:43
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American socialists deny responsibility for Barack Obama
Mon, 2008-10-20 19:43
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These are hard times to be a socialist in America. And not just because there's a bourgeois-bloated Starbucks on every other corner, thumbing its capitalist nose at the proletariat.No, it's tough these days because you've got politicians on the right, the same guys who just helped nationalize the banking system, derisively and inaccurately calling the presidential candidate on the left a socialist. That's enough to make Karl Marx harumph in his grave.
Local communists, rarely tapped as campaign pundits, say Sen. Barack Obama and his policies stand far afield from any form of socialism they know.
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See, we had that figured out months ago! [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]
Mon, 2008-10-20 19:50
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M. Spector
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"Red baiting is really the last refuge of scoundrels," Bachtell said. "It has nothing to do with the issues that are confronting the American people right now. It's just a big diversion."Of course that's just one man's opinion. (And everyone knows you can't trust a communist.)
Mon, 2008-10-20 21:24
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Left Turn
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Local communists, rarely tapped as campaign pundits, say Sen. Barack Obama and his policies stand far afield from any form of socialism they know.
Barack Obama's policies stand so far afield from any known form of socialism, that his policies are actually to the right of Stephen Harper's stated policies.
Mon, 2008-10-20 23:24
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What is Obama's policy on NAFTA?
Does he even have one?
Or does it keep shifting in the wind, always blurry?
Mon, 2008-10-20 23:35
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Originally posted by BetterRed:
[b]What is Obama's policy on NAFTA?Does he even have one?
Or does it keep shifting in the wind, always blurry?[/b]
It was softened as I recall after it came under criticism -
[url=http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#trade]this is what his website says now[/url]:
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Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama and Biden believe that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. They will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
Which is pretty vague.
Tue, 2008-10-21 03:25
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Still, the fact that someone in Harper's government caused a kerfluffle by releasing information proving that initially, Obama's campaign was not being truthful in saying it would totally abrogate NAFTA is interesting.
What did Harper hope to gain? Proof that his corporate buddies could safely back the Dems in the USA?
Or did someone in Harper's government hope to embarrass Obama (a man likely to become President, even at the time) into a firmer stance against NAFTA, forcing Harper to play along even against the wishes of his corporate backers?
If we can get a more left-wing government in Canada by next year, this will be an opportune time for Canada to take the lead by insisting, in no uncertain terms, that the FTA and NAFTA must be abrogated completely and replaced by restricted sectoral trade agreements.
Tue, 2008-10-21 09:26
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Originally posted by DrConway:
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If we can get a more left-wing government in Canada by next year, this will be an opportune time for Canada to take the lead by insisting, in no uncertain terms, that the FTA and NAFTA must be abrogated completely and replaced by restricted sectoral trade agreements.[/b]
I find that a little risky, we just had a 300$ million election that almost propelled Harper to a majority. The Liberals collapsed. The NDP only made modest gains.
Holding an election in a year, sans a political miracle, is a bad move for the left at best, and disrespectful to Canadian voters and taxpayers in general.
Tue, 2008-10-21 09:46
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Boom Boom
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Originally posted by Papal Bull:
Holding an election in a year, sans a political miracle, is a bad move for the left at best, and disrespectful to Canadian voters and taxpayers in general.
Right on. I predict no new federal election before 2010 at the earliest, and possibly not until 2012. If the Cons can hang on to power that long, I think we'll see not only a new Liberal leader in early 2009, but possibly also new leaders leading the Conservatives and the BQ into the next election. Maybe Layton will be tired of leading the [i]fourth[/i] party all this time and step down, as well.