martin, yarg does not mean Liberals, he is using it in the american contextual value, or as the value of republican sentiment of:
"damn liberals have ruined society they should be....."
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You are at least as biased and inflexible in your opinions as anyone else on this forum, more so than most, please don't tell me or other people what i'm thinking, thankyou, i happen to think there are good/bad ideas from all parts of the political spectrum.
All I wanted to point out is that I see it as a basic conflict when progressives advocate therapy, leniency, second chances etc for some while at the same time fighting the scourge of domestic violence in all it's forms. I would much prefer severe punishment keeping these violent offenders out of circulation permanently, there should never be a case where a convicted rapist or child molester moves into your neighborhood, they had thier chance to live and let live, they failed. In the case of men being given a second chance with thier children after killing the mother I think the second chance mantra of progessives/liberals/whomever is failing those children and society, there is no doubt in my mind those children are better off without him, as are our communities without giving second chances to people who clearly don't deserve it. I could also believe that a male judge or male dominated system granted this pos the ability to see his kids, but that doesn't discount what i see as a basic conflict in general crime and punishment.