Winnipeg SCUM Cops take FN Man on a Starlght Cruise

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Wed, 2010-12-08 17:15

E.Tamaran

It's true. It happened a couple of days ago. This still goes on, and that's why ALL pigs are scum.

Also, Caissa should stay out of this thread...

Native man alleges Winnipeg police threatened him, took him to outskirts

WINNIPEG - A 20-year-old man is alleging he was taken to the outskirts of Winnipeg by city police, threatened with a Taser and then mocked as they made him run away.

Evan Maud tells the Aboriginal Peoples Television Network that the experience was terrifying.

Winnipeg police officials could not be reached for comment and did not respond to emails asking about the allegation.

Maud, who is finishing Grade 12, says he had left his brother's house in Winnipeg at 4 a.m. last Friday when an unmarked black police car pulled up beside him on the street.

Maud says the officers accused him of being drunk and having a record for break and enters and stealing cars.

Maud admits he'd had a couple of drinks but says he doesn't have a criminal record.

He alleges the officers pushed him into the car and drove to the outskirts.

He alleges they took his winter coat and sweater, gave him another sweater to wear instead and told him to run or they would zap him with a Taser.

As he ran, he alleges they followed along, taunting him and making fun of how he ran.

He says the experience left him so scared and shaken he would now never walk alone at night.

"I didn't know what to think. I didn't know what to do," says Maud. "What if they did something to me, like take my shoes and my pants and leave me with my shorts?

"I just don't want this to happen to anyone else. You've got to walk with at least two or three people."

His mother, Betty Maud, has flown from Saskatoon to be with her son.

"I'm hurt, I'm angry," she says.

Maud's uncle, Joseph Maud, is a councillor on the Skownan First Nation in northern Manitoba. He says he's meeting with the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs to discuss the incident, adding he'd like to see the establishment of some type of call centre that could help aboriginal people out in such situations.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/native-man-alleges-winnipe...

Wed, 2010-12-08 17:20

Bacchus

A call centre? How would they use that? Witha cell as they are freezing to death on the outskirts?

Wed, 2010-12-08 17:27

Stargazer

For every one that gets caught there are a dozen more.

Wed, 2010-12-08 17:28

Unionist

[url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Police-say-no-complaint-re... article from today's Free Press.[/url]

Wed, 2010-12-08 17:31

milo204

this is standard practice among members of the winnipeg police. their racism towards first nation people is displayed daily in the streets of winnipeg, and there are many innocent dead people to prove it.

Thu, 2010-12-09 13:23

Caissa

All police are not pigs and scum, E. Tamaran

The behaviour by the please reported in the article is reprehensible.

They should be dismissed.

Thu, 2010-12-09 14:00

Maysie

Anyone who thinks this, or other acts by the police against Aboriginal people, are the acts of individuals, please read this link.

Winnipeg, and Manitoba, have very specific histories.

Bold added.

Quote:

[We understand] these were not "isolated incidents" but were symbolic of the overall apartheid of the Canadian policing and legal systems. In April of 1988, the Aboriginal Justice Inquiry was initiated by Manitoba's government to investigate the justice system's treatment of indigneous people in general. The Inquiry's massive report was released in 1991, but its recommendations were not acted upon. In 1999, the Manitoba government formed the Aboriginal Justice Implementation Commission to propose methods for putting into practice the recommondations of the Justice Inquiry. The Commission released its report in 2001. J.J. Harper's uncle, Joe Guy, commented on this long drawn-out, bureaucratic and ineffectual process, saying "There has been no change [since 1988]... As a matter of fact, I could say it is worse today than it was at that time."

Of course, this is because the Canadian legal system is designed by and for the settler ruling class, and the police are this system's enforcers and defenders. Police and politicians will always prefer to sweep their dirty deeds under the rug. When public scandals make this impossible, they resort to legal manuevers to legitimize their actions.If even this is not enough, the courts may scold or slightly punish offending police officers as sacrificial lambs, but the institutionalized conditions of apartheid will never be truly challenged. Public inquiries in particular are restricted to "finding facts" and are not mandated with determining criminal responsibility.

Thu, 2010-12-09 15:18

Unionist

Another update:

[url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/McCaskill-announces-invest... chief of police announces investigation into "starlight drive"[/url]

Thu, 2010-12-09 15:19

Stargazer

All anyone has to do is read Starlight Tours to find out just how prevalent this is.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/stonechild/stonechild_report.pdf

Report of the Commission of Inquiry Into Matters Relating to the Death of Neil Stonechild (above)

Thu, 2010-12-09 15:24

#10

Maysie

Thanks Unionist and Stargazer.

Given that this is the aboriginal issues forum, the issue of whether the police as a whole, as a group, in the context of this story, have acted in gross violation of the public trust in which they work, i.e. acted in violent and racist ways, is established. They have.

If anyone is unable to post here within those parameters, they are politely requested to stay out of this thread, and the aboriginal forum in general.

Thu, 2010-12-09 16:00

#11

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2010/12/09/mb-police-aboriginals... Mountie weighs in:[/url]

Quote:

Former RCMP Sgt. Sam Anderson believes the allegations by Evan Maud will lead to more stereotyping of police and weaken the relationship between officers and aboriginals.

"When you've got incidents like this, allegedly or not, it goes out there in the public and … it reinforces the minds of First Nations people that sometimes police are not our friends," said Anderson, who is originally from Dauphin River First Nation.

"It reinforces the stereotype of the police from our people and it's hard to repair that harm when the harm has been done."

Thu, 2010-12-09 16:25

#12

Stargazer

Too fucking bad for the police. They reap what they sow. They want better relations with the community then work for it. Respect isn't a right jerk offs.

Stereotyping the police! My heart aches for them. Really.

Thu, 2010-12-09 16:52

#13

E.Tamaran

Caissa wrote:

All police are not pigs and scum, E. Tamaran

Your comment is a Piece of Shit! ALL "police" are pigs and scum; just because you have never had a starlight tour is irrelevant.

[pls note, I said Caissa's comment was a POS, not the commenter]

Thu, 2010-12-09 16:58

#14

Cueball

Perhaps this would be a good place for Caissa to take up the theme of the last similarly titled thread and give us some "historical" examples of where "stereotyping and dehumanization" lead to persecution of the cops.

Thu, 2010-12-09 17:12

#15

Stargazer

Must be nice to live in a world where the police are your friend, they do good things and by gosh! people respect them.

For the vast majority of us, the police ARE scum and we have the battle scars to prove it.

When I made an official complaint about the police (one who called me a "ditch pig" when I contacted them about my sexual assault case) was I ever surprised to find out when I asked for their report that my sexual assault was now consensual! So it appears my complaint pissed off some cops, and they decided my case was closed. No justice for me. In fact, a big 'fuck you' to me from the police. That's just one of many many many examples I can personally supply.

Thu, 2010-12-09 20:46

#16

Buddy Kat

Caissa wrote:

All police are not pigs and scum, E. Tamaran

The behaviour by the please reported in the article is reprehensible.

They should be dismissed.

I agree with Caissa ..not ALL police are scum…BUT a big BUT if you ever happen to be at the other end of the stick they sure the hell can be. Remember in this day and age whole entire groups are responsible for the actions of a few.

I note a story where an rcmp was complaining about how it was only 1 % of them that were scum…and if you think about it… it’s only .0001% or less of muslims that are terrorists and look what the world reaction is to that. The rcmp are 1000 times worse than the terrorist. The same applys to the police….if only 1 % of them are scum that pretty well means they are worse than any terror group on the planet and should be feared and judged that way.

This starlight incident, if true is very serious …when the stonechild incident happened they left the poor kid for dead and it was in fact a police murder that resulted in some police dismissed and a police chief fired. There were many accusations and cases coming out of the woodwork involving these starlight drives… this could very well start a war if not addressed.

These starlight drives are very common police practice and in some jurisdications like Florida it is not uncommon to take the latino or Negro to a swampy everglade area full of crocodiles and dump them off at night…if they happen to get eaten the evidence disappears…of course the brotherhood of police stick together and cover for each other so there you go…be good or become croc food.

Here in Canada it’s be good or we’ll freeze you to death..act of god or murder..you figure it out Caissa.

Now excuse me I have to go see this video of Nero (Harper) play the piano while Rome errr I mean Canada is burning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkM5eyN8ytI&feature=user

Fri, 2010-12-10 01:38

#17

Bacchus

Buddy Kat wrote:
These starlight drives are very common police practice and in some jurisdications like Florida it is not uncommon to take the latino or Negro to a swampy everglade area full of crocodiles and dump them off at night…if they happen to get eaten the evidence disappears…of course the brotherhood of police stick together and cover for each other so there you go…be good or become croc food.

Sundown towns are still around in the U.S. (and many are in places like PA and not the 'deep south' like many seem to want to pretend.

Fri, 2010-12-10 10:04

#18

remind

Unbelievable, actually not so much, that they still do this after they have been exposed for doing so upon numerous occasions.

It goes to show they believe they have the impunity to do so, apparently gained by a perception of public support of their actions.

Fri, 2010-12-10 18:00

#19

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/police-initiate-investigation-of-... police chief Keith McCaskill weighs in:[/url]

Quote:

McCaskill said Thursday morning the young man had not filed a formal complaint with police. However, McCaskill said he was so troubled by the allegations, he's launched an investigation involving the WPS professional standards unit.

"We have to get to the bottom of this and find out the truth," he said Thursday morning. "We're doing everything we possibly can right now without having the specifics from the complainant."

It was a shift from Wednesday, when police said they were not investigating due to lack of a formal complaint.

Fri, 2010-12-10 18:41

#20

milo204

And apparently the young man is getting help from the AFN to get his complaint together and submit it. I read in the free press today Ron Evans saying although he is aware of the fear and mistrust of the police, a formal complaint must be made and he will help with it.

Fri, 2010-12-10 19:17

#21

Unionist

I think it's the AMC, milo - the [url=http://www.manitobachiefs.com/]Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs[/url] - though they may well be affiliated with the AFN, I don't know.

Fri, 2010-12-10 19:29

#22

Aristotleded24

Unionist wrote:
I think it's the AMC, milo - the [url=http://www.manitobachiefs.com/]Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs[/url] - though they may well be affiliated with the AFN, I don't know.

If you hop over [url=http://www.justice.gov.sk.ca/publiccomplaintscommission]one province west,[/url] the Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations apparently has a unit dedicated to investigating complaints against the police.

Tue, 2010-12-14 15:17

#23

Slumberjack

Stroke Victim left in cell for six hours

Quote:
An Indian Brook, N.S., woman who suffered a stroke in police custody and died a week later lay moaning in a jail cell for six hours before officers sought medical help, CBC News has learned. A Halifax Regional Police review concluded last week said there was no wrongdoing by Truro police, but the 30-page executive summary obtained by CBC News shows Paul was left unconscious in the cell for hours.

Deveron Paul, her son, was detained with his mother. He has said police officers were rough with him and his mother tried to intervene. He said six or seven officers struggled with her. "She was fighting back a little bit because they were restraining her, but they were being too rough with her because I heard her screaming, 'You're bending my arm too hard,' and stuff like that," he told CBC News last year.

Paul was held in a cell adjacent to his mother and he says he repeatedly asked authorities to call for medical help during the morning.

Tue, 2010-12-14 16:40

#24

milo204

yeah you're right it's the AMC!

Wed, 2010-12-15 07:57

#25

Caissa

I posted that story here, Slumberjack. post #20

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/national-news/law-and-order-canadian-edition

Sat, 2010-12-18 07:58

#26

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Now, they're trying to railroad the kid.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/12/18/16600911.html

How come they don't release the video? We're just SUPPOSED to trust them?

Sat, 2010-12-18 11:15

#27

VanGoghs Ear

Someone accuses the police of a crime = The police did it

Evidence shows the police didn't commit said crime = Police are lying

Threads were Babblers pontificate so assuredly on the guilt or innocence of people accused of a crime without any evidence at all are the worst kind of threads, right after 9/11 and H1N1 threads that is.

Sat, 2010-12-18 11:46

#28

Eric Damaran

How long is it taking the pigs in Ontario to investigate the G20 assaults? And we should take their word that they are conducting a thorough investigation (yeah, right, but for the purposes of this discussion let's assume they are). But the pigs in Winnipeg can find no fault with their own after only 72 hours of a complaint being formally registered? Total "white"wash. There was no investigation; why haven't we seen the mysterious bus video, or the GPS logs? This stinks, and now the AMC is in on it as well.

Sat, 2010-12-18 12:42

#29

PraetorianFour

Word count of 93 and you only call the cops pigs twice? You're getting soft ET :)

Sat, 2010-12-18 12:45

#30

Unionist

It's ok, he says the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs are "in on it" with the pigs, so that counts as three.

Sat, 2010-12-18 12:54

#31

Aristotleded24

RevolutionPlease wrote:
Now, they're trying to railroad the kid.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/12/18/16600911.html

How come they don't release the video? We're just SUPPOSED to trust them?

Is that it? I'm sure the police know that charging Maud is pad PR, especially amongst a segment of the population that doesn't trust them. So one of 2 things is true:

1) Winnipeg police are terrible at public relations

2) Evan Maud actually did make up the story and is being prosecuted appropriately for filing a false complaint.

Having said that, assuming Maud's complaint is bogus, that does NOT in any way absolve Winnipeg police of the crimes they have committed, much as the law-and-order crowd would seem to believe. I think the fact that so many were willing to believe this allegation before it was proven speaks volumes about the lack of trust people have in the police. Police Association President Mike Sutherland was going on about how this maligns officers? Hey Mike, the misbehaviour of your own members does far more to ruin your reputation than bogus complaints.

Sat, 2010-12-18 19:01

#32

milo204

of course it doesn't absolve them to us, but to the vast majority of uninformed canadians it does. This will be brought up from now on every time a complaint is laid against police. it will be enough to give most canadians some doubt believing the claims and by the time any claim is proven no one is paying attention anymore and it is buried in the press.

What pisses me off so much about this is the damage it does to the fight against police brutality and for what? There are enough real cases of it, why on earth would this kid need to make it up? Especially when his claim is so easily disproved?

Sat, 2010-12-18 19:25

#33

Aristotleded24

Well milo, 25 years ago this whole thing would have been written off as just some criminal whining about the police doing their jobs. This month, the media took the allegation seriously, so I think that speaks volumes to how aware the public is about police brutality, and while this does cause problems for future victims of police brutality, I still can't see the media completely brushing it off.

I do agree this will have a chilling effect on the willingness of brutality victims to come forward in the future. On the flip side, several brutality complaints against police are frivilous and easily discredited. If you've been caught committing a crime, why not complain against your officers? Put another way, people who have legitimate complaints against the police have a great deal more to fear than people who don't.

Sun, 2010-12-19 12:24

#34

PraetorianFour

. Someone getting caught faking it obviously casts a disperportionate level of doubt against valid claims. Not exactly fair but that's what happens.

Video cams with sound and GPS in every police vehicle should be a priority.

Sun, 2010-12-19 13:52

#35

al-Qa'bong

Sask. police officer killed in crash

Quote:
Const. Tim Ballantyne, 27, of the Prince Albert Police Service, was pronounced dead in hospital at 6 a.m. CT, police said in a statement.

Ballantyne was off-duty and driving his own vehicle when it rolled on Highway 3 just south of Prince Albert at about 6 a.m. Saturday.

Sun, 2010-12-19 14:42

#36

PraetorianFour

I'm confused Al-Qa'bong. Why are you posting the death of a Sask. Police officer in the erroneous thead "Winnipeg SCUM Cops take FN Man on Starlight Cruise"?

Was the cop who died one of the cops accused of taking this man on the Starlight tour? Is this cop a scumbag or something??

Sun, 2010-12-19 16:57

#37

Stargazer

That's part of the "the police are really and truly and honestly just great people, with only a few bad apples" gang tactic. Par for the course around here really. One would think that courses in Criminology 101 were not offered anywhere, judging by the amount of people on babble who feel so much solidarity with the police they need to get real mad at those of us who, you know, actually have a real clue. Or conversely, that many people haven't been the victim of any police abuse. But either way, better to keep civil about the whole thing. Anger is frowned upon, and any negative reaction or curse words brings out the big middle class white men to show the error of those who anger.

All justified anger must first be vetted through the white men, then and only then can a proper discussion of the police abuse occur (well, okay, it actually doesn't occur, but they really do well in getting us to shut up).

Mon, 2010-12-20 02:08

#38

al-Qa'bong

Tim Ballantyne was FN.

I have my own story about confronting racist cops here in the home of starlight tours. Some here know about it, and maybe I'll talk about it some time.

Mon, 2010-12-20 14:20

#39

Aristotleded24

al-Qa'bong wrote:
Tim Ballantyne was FN.

I have my own story about confronting racist cops here in the home of starlight tours. Some here know about it, and maybe I'll talk about it some time.

Goes to show that more police officers die from traffic accidents than are murdered.

Such a terrible thing to happen, especially during the holidays. Condolences to the friends and family.

Mon, 2010-12-20 18:29

#40

milo204

is there really a lot of people here showing "solidarity" with police though? i'd say generally this is a healthily anti-police zone, aside from some objecting to calling them scum or whatever.

Mon, 2010-12-20 18:56

#41

Stargazer

I think there is a small contingent of people who absolutely show solidarity with the police. I think the vast majority of people here do not though.

I think a thread documenting police abuses would be a great idea too. A repository of all the different stories out there. Hopefully were such a thread to be started it will not be trolled by the pro-police crowd.

Mon, 2010-12-20 19:01

#42

Aristotleded24

Stargazer wrote:
I think a thread documenting police abuses would be a great idea too. A repository of all the different stories out there. Hopefully were such a thread to be started it will not be trolled by the pro-police crowd.

[url=http://enmasse.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9890]Here's a start[/url]

Mon, 2010-12-20 20:43

#43

Bacchus

There is interesting tho Im sure prone to be used for the biased for/against

http://judgemycop.ca/

Mon, 2010-12-20 22:13

#44

al-Qa'bong

Quote:
I think a thread documenting police abuses would be a great idea too. A repository of all the different stories out there. Hopefully were such a thread to be started it will not be trolled by the pro-police crowd.

As much as I dislike to acknowledge it, when the Human Rights Commission, my NDP MLA and the Arab-Canadian Federation didn't give me the time of day when I raised my complaint about that racist incident I mentioned upthread, the RCMP investigated it.

The sergeant who interviewed me kept dodging and weaving and making excuses for the constable in question, and probably hated my guts throughout the whole procedure (was it ever nice to see THEM squirm for a change), but in the end I received a written apology.

Tue, 2010-12-21 12:05

#45

al-Qa'bong

Great post, stargazer.

Have you ever noticed how, during labour disputes, the cops never surround boardrooms and break heads?

Tue, 2010-12-21 12:12

#46

Bacchus

Stargazer wrote:

I received a written apology - Change entrance requirements by adding in 4 month courses in sociology, racism, social inequality, etc. so that they have a better understanding what is really happening in communities

- The psychological exams need to be scrapped and replaced

- Community policing needs to be implemented. Focusing on creating a better community, not a more punitive one.

- Implement a civilian oversight commission with real bite

- Control the police budget by freezing employment in specific areas. More police has never lead to less crime. Besides, crime has been going down for decades.

- Police should never be sent to rallies in riot gear and weapons. This is intimidating and a means of destroying out right to freedom of speech and protest

That's a good beginning.

The psych tests for Toronto and Peel are a joke. They merely ask leading questions in many ways many times in order to catch you out but if you are even marginally self aware, they are not hard to fool.

Once in a while in Toronto rallies/protests are watched only by cops on bikes with minimal prescense. This ALWAYS seems to work and there few if any problems. I always wonder who makes the decision on how to 'guard' a specific event. I sincerely doubt its the division commanders or precinct managers, let alone anyone lower on the totem pole than that.

Tue, 2010-12-21 13:44

#47

Unionist

Thanks for that amazing post, Stargazer.

Tue, 2010-12-21 15:44

#48

Stargazer

I received a written apology too, but the bottom line the person I filed the complaint against was never held accountable. Nothing changed. And this man miked the entire system, with appearance after appearance for such a simple matter. So yes we feel good we were acknowledged, but there is never or rarely any accountability.

There are a few good police men and women, but the the institution as a whole is failing to do what it is, we think, mandated to do. The truth is they are doing exactly as they are mandated to do. They defend property first. There is a difference in how Tea Partier rallies were policed then left wing rallies. It is significant that only the left wing rallies had a large and intimidating police presence. Yet many on the right openly advocate treason, and carry weapons while doing so. For the left it is standard - police show up in black gear, with weapons all over to stomp on people who are demonstrating for change. By that nature they can never be in solidify with the people. I think we really need to understand this, especially within this context - when police abuse of force is now has national media attention. Even those on the right are seeing this. In this one area many of us are united.

The G20 was good only in the sense that this time the arrests caught up a lot of white people, people who generally aren't often on the receiving end of police misconduct, and this in turn made people think, and for the first time ever for many of them caused them to fear the police. Police abuse is epidemic, and it is covered up, and we have a very very weak oversight system. How democratic we are is in large part determined by police state like suppression of citizens. Right now we are seeing this suppression. Instead of arguing over what words we use to describe the police, we need to focus on how the police can be reformed. It is crucial, especially given the fact that we now have more criminal offences to understand and more people to be jailed.

Ways I think the police can reform:

- Change entrance requirements by adding in 4 month courses in sociology, racism, social inequality, etc. so that they have a better understanding what is really happening in communities

- The psychological exams need to be scrapped and replaced

- Community policing needs to be implemented. Focusing on creating a better community, not a more punitive one.

- Implement a civilian oversight commission with real bite

- Control the police budget by freezing employment in specific areas. More police has never lead to less crime. Besides, crime has been going down for decades.

- Police should never be sent to rallies in riot gear and weapons. This is intimidating and a means of destroying out right to freedom of speech and protest

That's a good beginning.

Tue, 2010-12-21 17:10

#49

Aristotleded24

Stargazer wrote:

Ways I think the police can reform:

- Change entrance requirements by adding in 4 month courses in sociology, racism, social inequality, etc. so that they have a better understanding what is really happening in communities

That helps, but education can only take the officers so far. Above all else, officers need to be of good character, and having formal education doesn't have an impact. That could actually backfire, because a well-educated officer can more easily cover up wrongdoing than someone without.

I do know that Assinibione Community College in Brandon offers a police studies program, and many officers are hired onto local police forces. I can't speak for which items on this list they have, but when I was talking to a police officer at a recruitment fair, he told me that most police agencies will not look at anyone without post-secondary education anyways.

Stargazer wrote:
- The psychological exams need to be scrapped and replaced

"You're responding to a break-in at a corner store. Would you take a chocolate bar without paying for it?"

Gee, tough call, how should I answer this question?

Stargazer wrote:
- Community policing needs to be implemented. Focusing on creating a better community, not a more punitive one.

Exactly, and it will be much easier to solve crimes because people will be willing to come forward. I'd actually go even farther and put rookies in positions where they have to operate without firearms, just so they learn not to rely on force off the hop. Human nature, if you have a way to make an unpleasant interaction go faster, you will likely take it. Learn people skills, they work.

Also, take away tasers for front-line officers. Restrict them to the tactical units who are properly trained in weapons.

Stargazer wrote:
- Implement a civilian oversight commission with real bite

Agreed.

Stargazer wrote:
- Control the police budget by freezing employment in specific areas. More police has never lead to less crime. Besides, crime has been going down for decades.

The police budget in Winnipeg is quite large, and still we are losing community policing stations. What is going on? Policing should not be a sacred budget item that can never be questioned.

Stargazer wrote:
- Police should never be sent to rallies in riot gear and weapons. This is intimidating and a means of destroying out right to freedom of speech and protest

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9yIBOnbJjY]As I said, patience and people skills work.[/url]

Tue, 2010-12-21 19:36

#50

PraetorianFour

I watched the link above then clicked on this one after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njb6X-nmW2M&NR=1

Pretty interesting how the police try and intimidate people by asking for their name. Is it the same in Canada? If a police officer asks for my name am I required to give it?

Also asking people to turn the camera off. I really liked how the Christian/911 truthers/whoever they were remained respectful, calm cool and never gave the police a reason to escalate the situation.

Police are not perfect and can make mistakes when speaking about the law. I got into an argument with a police officer regarding some laws and I was 100% in the right and proved it to him. The key is for the public to educate themselves on what the laws are.

The police get a LOT of people shouting at them "I know my rights" and a lot of the time they don't have the slightest clue what their actual rights are.

Police need to be more patient but so do the rest of us. "All fucking pigs are scum" isn't a good approach. Accepting that there are bad apples and working on making bridges with the good ones would probably help.

Tue, 2010-12-21 19:51

#51

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

PraetorianFour wrote:

Police need to be more patient but so do the rest of us. "All fucking pigs are scum" isn't a good approach. Accepting that there are bad apples and working on making bridges with the good ones would probably help.

Like that's ever slowed down the escalating erosion of our rights into a police state. Good grief, this place. Dude, you're in the First Nation forum, not the old white dude club. Please respect that.

Loved your post Stargazer, way to gather the anger and channel it!

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