Fidel, that is the silliest of notions. You can't tell me (with a straight face, at least) that W wouldn't have given his right arm to have OBL killed while W was still in office.
I have every reason to believe Obama when he said to CBS that bin Laden "will not walk this earth again."
But, you go ahead and believe whatever you want...
He also accidentally called Osama...Obama.
What a foolish gaffe.
Well, to be fair, so did Faux News.
Oh wait, you said "accidentally". 
They're going to be widely shouted down at any rate by the various propaganda bureaus performing their respective corporate ventriloquist routines. All that ex-NDP weasel squirming around on Solomon's program had to offer in his defence, instead of joining in with the other goons in the skit, was to say that this is a country that brought us WMD in Iraq, Nigerian yellowcake, Globalized Torture Incorporated, etc. Canadians died at the twin towers and on the ground in Afghanistan as well, yadda yadda. Would it hurt to cough up a pic? Instead we were treated to a snickering amateur hour full of clowns and idiots, and no one with a clue about fighting back. But yes, the biggest idiot in the entire debacle was Mulcair for not having the presence of mind to think it through.
Sven it doesn't matter to you what I believe, I'll admit. I think, though, that this and other serious issues should matter a whole lot to you and your's. For instance, what you had in Iraq were CIA and special forces versus reg forces all searching for WMD. Everytime the reg forces guys came close to speaking with key people in Saddam's regime about WMD, they were thwarted and people bumped off left and right over there. They didn't have WMD, and they didn't have Qaeda and other extremist groups pouring into Iraq until after the US Military setup shop.
Sven what you have are US Gov't and Military officials saying you've got some real wackos in high places and fully believing it's their job to do a Judas of things in the Middle East and Central Asia in order to bring about the biblical "battle of Armageddon". The wack jobs don't really believe in that mumbo jumbo, or perhaps they do, I can't possibly know. But we can bet that they do believe in naked imperialism and that they are above abiding by international law. Serious issues for Americans. And this is a seriously progressive left wing forum for commentary. We here tend not to accept whatever it is your dubya or any other cosmetic leader has to say off the cuff without scrutiny. And again, it's your own countrymen providing the scrutiny and blowing whistles not me or anyone else here.
Believe what you want about OBL. I believe he was dead years ago. I have no proof of that, no. But I am not able to conclude that he's just been murdered by some special forces guys either. It's a possibility I guess. I have no real reason to believe it though. We can go only so far with accepting articles of faith as irrefutable fact. Letting the facts speak for themselves is a good rule of thumb in any event.
It's a pretty good rule of thumb in fact to take every official statement down there with a grain of salt unless clear evidence is provided. With a continual succession of historical lies to their credit, it's getting to the point where I'm starting to believe the Spanish had nothing at all to do with the Maine.
HE should just say, "That was not intended to be a factual statement"
It pisses me off when I hear Jack praising Barack Obama. He has done nothing except start more wars give out more tax cuts allow the destruction of Unions and many other terrible things, it is about time someone took a stance, I mean the US trained and armed Bin Laden
It's a pretty good rule of thumb in fact to take every official statement down there with a grain of salt unless clear evidence is provided. With a continual succession of historical lies to their credit, it's getting to the point where I'm starting to believe the Spanish had nothing at all to do with the Maine.
If I were an enterprising journalist doing my job properly, I might want to point out the fact that Harper admitted to Mansbridge during the campaign that his biggest mistake as leader was supporting the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and he went on to say that what he learned from it, essentially, was not to unquestioningly accept information supplied to the government on these matters.
Fidel, that is the silliest of notions. You can't tell me (with a straight face, at least) that W wouldn't have given his right arm to have OBL killed while W was still in office.
He was just another cosmetic leader, Sven. He wasn't in control. Don't be so naive. What you have is one single party representing the superrich in America and pretending to be two separate and opposed political parties. They are both bought and paid-for, owned and controlled by the US elite. Your country officially became a military dictatorship in 1947 with the signing of the National Security Act. And this country up here gradually drifted from being a British outpost to a US-controlled one. Harper has his instructions to spend on F-35s, and that's what he will do at the expense of social democracy and the economy here. Our own corrupt stooge is just toady to a vicious empire - that's all he is.
Agreed. Lots of canadians share this view and it is time someone represented them
And how's this for a loony observation: as to the timing of this revelation -- if it is true that the US staged this raid now, when the ostensible object may have been long since dead -- well, didn't the US make some statement supporting the Conservatives just prior to the last election too? Of course there are lots of reasons why this is probably totally unrelated. Just sayin though.
The "death" "murder" "assassination" of Osama bin Laden was a made for TV movie. No one would buy it in a theatre near you or in real life.
lol! I think there's gonna be a sequel: Viva las Abottabad, starring Barack Obama as Elvis bin Aladdin his self. We slay us, Pete. Too funny.
What an unprofressional gaffe! Actually expressing something that you think. Let this be a lesson for all of us. (Or maybe we should defind to the death his right to say it.)
What an unprofressional gaffe! Actually expressing something that you think. Let this be a lesson for all of us. (Or maybe we should defind to the death his right to say it.)
I'll defend it to Elvis bin Laden's last breath. And we're almost sure he's fresh out of dancing-singing movie roles this time. Even. Perhaps. More than likely. The End.
Fin!
Salut!
Bring in the dancing bears..
Or will the next false threat to US national security be extraterrestrial gladio invaders from Mars?...
lol! I can't breathe pffff!
Conspiracy Theorists before May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Dead"
Conspiracy Theorists after May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Alive".
Whoa! We gotta live one here.
Personally, I don't believe or care if the man ever existed.
But if you're interested bits of Santa's Skull can be found here...
Personally, I don't believe or care if the man ever existed.
But if you're interested bits of Santa's Skull can be found here...
What??
Personally, I don't believe or care if the man ever existed.
But if you're interested bits of Santa's Skull can be found here...
What??
Yeah...read it in a book.. creepy eh?
Conspiracy Theorists before May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Dead"
Conspiracy Theorists after May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Alive".
That's all good, so far as it goes, but what was the theory on May 1st, hmmmm???
Conspiracy Theorists before May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Dead"
Conspiracy Theorists after May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Alive".
That's all good, so far as it goes, but what was the theory on May 1st, hmmmm???
I give up. "workers of the world unite"?
Conspiracy Theorists before May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Dead"
Conspiracy Theorists after May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Alive".
That's all good, so far as it goes, but what was the theory on May 1st, hmmmm???
August 4, 1964, the Gulf of Tonkin incident...
It never happened.
'Fog of War' My Ass: White House and CIA Caught in Lie About OBL Assassination - by Dave Lindorff
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/594
"...President Obama himself spilled the beans in his initial midnight statement when he said, 'After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body. After that perhaps unintentionally honest account of an execution, the lies began..
I think Jack Layton is a Kenyan Muslim...oh wait, wrong thread.
Conspiracy Theorists before May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Dead"
Conspiracy Theorists after May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Alive".
That's all good, so far as it goes, but what was the theory on May 1st, hmmmm???
August 4, 1964, the Gulf of Tonkin incident...
It never happened.
What does the Gulf of Tonkin incident have to do with OBL? Bizarre.
It's true that "Everybody lies", but to be overly suspicious can't be a fun way to live.
Keep on believin', oh ya ya ya ya.
"Just a small town girl, livin' in a lonely world
She took the midnight train goin' anywhere
Just a city boy, born and raised in south…"
Sorry I couldn't resist :P
Conspiracy Theorists before May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Dead"
Conspiracy Theorists after May 1st: "Bin Ladin is Alive".
That's all good, so far as it goes, but what was the theory on May 1st, hmmmm???
August 4, 1964, the Gulf of Tonkin incident...
It never happened.
What does the Gulf of Tonkin incident have to do with OBL? Bizarre.
And here's your first lesson in jumping to right wing conclusions, or a cardio routine for sheeple so broke they can't afford to pay attention:
Why did the chickenhawk cross the road?
lol!
Love you Fidel! Solidarity Brother!
Love you, too, Revvy. I feel bad though and should offer something to our newbies. A small token of appreciation perhaps...
[url=http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guid... Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11[/url]
Happy coincidenting, sheeple!
Some Ruminations On Current Events - by William Bowles
http://williambowles.info/2011/05/03/some-ruminations-on-current-events-...
"...This is what a world ruled by Capital looks like. A nightmare orgy of destruction. Unbelievable...but true. For any of you familiar with Roman history we are now firmly in Caligula territory, 'taking out' whomever we please, age, sex, location or 'guilt' immaterial. Faithfully played to us citizens of Empire to the sounds of cheering and flag waving..."
I'm waiting for you to disappear as my sign NDPP?...
I teach adult international students and it's pretty much the consensus that the US is totally full of it and that the way Osama was shot instead of questioned and then dumped in the ocean ASAP is highly suspicious. It's the kind of way you'd handle someone who had too much dirt on you. NOT the way you deal with an international criminal linked to the #1 Boogeyman underground political organization. That's obvious to anyone who is thinking critically. I think this is one of those situations where the Anglosphere is very out of step with the rest of the world. I'm sure Mulclair is just being up front about what a lot of Quebeckers think. Anglo-Canada just has a hard time when the Master imperial narrative of theirs is questioned.
Excellent question, melovesproles...
I'm waiting for you to disappear as my sign NDPP?...NDPP
consider not waiting....
Love you, too, Revvy. I feel bad though and should offer something to our newbies. A small token of appreciation perhaps...
[url=http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guid... Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11[/url]
Happy coincidenting, sheeple!
Lot's of reading in that link (thanks BTW). For sure, there is a lot of "coincidences". I find that though in my life though, how sometimes things just seem to come together. When I was 10 for some reason I put my seatbelt on, and not 30 seconds later my family was hit by a drunk driver (we were all okay thankfully).
The links between the Bush's, Saudi Oil and more are indeed troubling. However money and power do go naturally together.
I'll keep reading the links to the links you provided.
Happily bro but I worry about you. They aren't going to unleash you forever are they?
cue Doris Day...que sera sera...
'they' have their hands full with other far more important things hopefully
True say
If the CIA say the sky is blue, based on their past history we at least ought to go outside and check if it is so.
US Knew Where Osama Was Since 2005
http://www.counterpunch.org/shamir05042011.html
"...so the trail to Abbottabad was known to the American services at least since 2005, when al-Libi, another Abbottobad dweller was captured. Now we'll give you the story behind the story..."
wow, when I left this thread earlier today it was full of people buying the US GOv/ Corp.Media's fairytale version of this information. Glad to see so many critical thinkers in here now! Fidel, Rev.now, you guys are rockin. I cannot understand how this Osama announcement is not immediately suspicious to more people, considering what has happened in the past 10 years and prior.
As for the so called NDP gaffe: I hope we are in for more honest criticism of the establishment from our new Opposition members. It would absolutely be refreshing to hear. There is a large percentage of the population who know better than to believe anything that comes out of Obama's mouth, and it's about time we started getting represented in the debate in the MSM. Who cares if Obama or the US is offended, maybe they should stop going around killing people and dumping their bodies in the ocean!
and freakin Evan Solomon better wipe the smirk off his face. We've all seen his so-called interviews with the Libs and Cons where he all but refuses to ask a decent, hard-hitting, question. He's been handing out free BJs to the plutocracy for years.
Yeah it was great to hear Mulcair say that! He actually said the words in my head before I said them!
Love you, too, Revvy. I feel bad though and should offer something to our newbies. A small token of appreciation perhaps...
[url=http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guid... Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11[/url]
Happy coincidenting, sheeple!
Lot's of reading in that link (thanks BTW). For sure, there is a lot of "coincidences". I find that though in my life though, how sometimes things just seem to come together. When I was 10 for some reason I put my seatbelt on, and not 30 seconds later my family was hit by a drunk driver (we were all okay thankfully).
The links between the Bush's, Saudi Oil and more are indeed troubling. However money and power do go naturally together.
Yes I've always thought that money and power are a good fit. It keeps the rabble in check. For centuries, money chased power. And today it's totally the opposite.
Democracy should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
- George Washington
And we know that old George W. could never tell a lie.
[url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24623]Is the Myth of Osama bin Laden Still Alive?[/url] The mystical meaning of the burial at sea.
Serpents, the devil, Godzilla and evol monsters in general are always banished to fiery lakes, the sea etc from whence they came. I think a more appropriate funeral would have been to rent a fake lake from our fake PM and have Canadian taxpayers foot the padded bill.
cue Doris Day...que sera sera...
I heard he retired from politics.
no that was Dennis...
America's Killing Sprees Define Who We Are As A People - by Gar Smith (and vid)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24634
"The killiing of Bin Laden, Obama reflected, said much about America: 'We will be true to the values that makes us who we are.'..."
