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Fri, 2011-05-06 01:22

NDPP

After Osama BIn Laden's Death III

After Osama bin Laden's Death III

continuing from here:

http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/after-osama-bin-...

"NDP Leader Jack Layton thanked the men and women in unform shortly after US President Barack Obama announced that Osama Bin Laden was killed in a US raid... "

The Growing Coverup: Osama And 'The Big Lie' - by Larry Chin

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24654

"Obama has been itching to be the 'Osama killer' since before he was elected. Obama even invited George W Bush to share his 'victory lap'

Fri, 2011-05-06 01:52

Fidel

From NDPPs link:

Pierre-Henri Brunel wrote:
Meet "Al Qaeda"

"Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician.

" . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries.

[color=red]" Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.[/color]

[u]"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida.[/u] And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."

Former French intel officer Pierre-Henri Brunel is talking about right wing Turkish terrorists, ie. NATO's anti-communist terrorists in that country. NATO's Turkish Gladios have nothing to do with OBL or an invisible army of darkness. They are just another bunch of asshole deluxes sponsored by NATO and the western bullshit. Like Germany's BND(successors to Himmler's SS) under Merkel were caught red-handed blowing up an embassy building in Kosovo in 2008, so too were Turkish gladios caught perpetrating terror on their own people in the decade of the 2000s.

Evan Solomon and the stupid people who repeat the pro US bs interviews are full of shit.

Fri, 2011-05-06 09:05

NDPP

Osama bin Laden Dead: Blackout During Raid on Bin Laden Compound

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Lad...

"...Lieutenant General Asad Durani, former head of the ISI, Pakistan's Intelligence service, said it was 'inconceivable' that his government was unaware of the US raid on Osama bin Laden's compound. He claimed his country was forced to deny any knowledge of the raid to avoid a domestic backlash.."

Fri, 2011-05-06 09:12

Fidel

Cold war's over. Pakistan's army intelligence still run by the CIA. It's a colder war now. Same old same old only different.

Fri, 2011-05-06 09:30

NDPP

The Politics Of Revenge And Submission - by Phil Rockstroh

http://www.countercurrents.org/rockstroh050511.htm

"...Be very careful when you proclaim: 'I'm glad 'we' got bin Laden. He deserved it.' Be very grateful most of us don't get what we deserve..

In the US, a state policy of genocide against its native inhabitants determined the geographical dimensions of its collective mindscape, which created and maintains the death cult calculus of US militarist imperium. The US military still envisages its enemies as 'Red Indian savages.' Witness: Osama bin Ladens having been given the moniker, 'Geronimo'.

Fri, 2011-05-06 09:36

knownothing knownothing's picture

So when did bin Laden actually die?

Fri, 2011-05-06 10:54

NDPP

Bin Laden and The Great Game - by Conn Hallinan

http://www.counterpunch.org/hallinan05062011.html

"...there is an alternative scenario that not only avoids magical thinking about what choppers can do, but better fits the politics of the moment: that Pakistan's Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) knew where Bin Laden was and fingered him, estimating that his death would accelerate negotiations with the Taliban. Why now? Because for the first time in this long war, US and Pakistani interests coincide.

General Himad Gul, former head of the ISI, told the Financial Times on May 3 that the ISI know where he was, but regarded him as 'inactive.'. Writing in the May 5 Guardian, author Tariq Ali says that a 'senior' ISI official told him back in 2006 that the spy organization knew where bin Ladin was, but had no intention of arresting him because he was 'The goose that 'laid the golden egg.' In short, the hunt for the al-Qaeda leader helped keep the US aid spigot open.

Indeed, bin Laden may have been under house arrest, which would explain the absence of trained bodyguards. By not allowing the al-Qaeda leader a private militia, the ISI forced him to rely on it for protection. And if they then dropped a dime on him, they knew he would be an easy target.

As to why he was killed not captured, neither the US nor Pakistan wanted him alive, the former because of the judicial nightmare his incarceration would involve, the latter because dead men tell no tales...

A lot is at stake, and if getting the [Afghan] peace process going involved taking out Osama bin Laden, will in the cynical world of the 'Great Game', to make an omelet you have to break eggs..."

The Assassination of Osama Bin Laden - by Fidel Castro

http://www.counterpunch.org/castro05062011.html

"The US public opinion itself, after the initial euphoria, will end up criticizing the methods that, far from protecting its citizens, will multiply the feelings of hatred and revenge against them.."

Fri, 2011-05-06 14:24

al-Qa'bong

Shouldn't the War on Terror® be over now?

Fri, 2011-05-06 14:27

Sven

Well, it looks like even al Qaeda has acknowledged that bin Laden is now dead.

But, something tells me that the conspiracy theorists still won't be convinced. I suspect that if they had bin Laden's dead body right in front of them they's still say there's "no evidence" of him being dead.

Oh, well.

Fri, 2011-05-06 15:03

#10

al-Qa'bong

USA! USA! USA!

Source

Fri, 2011-05-06 15:43

#11

NDPP

Obama At Ground Zero - by Bill Auken

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/may2011/pers-m06.shtml

"Obama initially sought to make his Ground Zero visit a bipartisan affair by inviting George Bush who exploited the events of 911 to launch wars of aggression and a frontal assault on democratic rights, which his democratic successor has continued and escalates.

After Bush declined, Obama came up with a Republican who is arguably an even more grotesque personification of political reaction, former New York mayor Rudolf Giuliani..

Obama, a constitutional lawyer and former president of the Harvard Law Review is deepening the assault by the US government on international law and constitutional principles. There exists a whole series of precedents that apply to the case of Osama bin Laden and underscore the politically revolting character of the US administration's claims that murdering him represents an exercise of 'justice'

and yet this extra-judicial killing was acclaimed by Canada's good doggie politicians.

Fri, 2011-05-06 15:53

#12

Fidel

Sven wrote:

Well, it looks like even al Qaeda has acknowledged that bin Laden is now dead.

But, something tells me that the conspiracy theorists still won't be convinced. I suspect that if they had bin Laden's dead body right in front of them they's still say there's "no evidence" of him being dead.

Oh, well.

Sven, who signed that official al-CIA'da statement? Does anyone know? For all you know it could be Rummy using a reduced for sale calligraphy set from Walmart. It's not even letterhead. lol!

Fri, 2011-05-06 15:56

#13

Sven

Fidel wrote:

Sven wrote:

Well, it looks like even al Qaeda has acknowledged that bin Laden is now dead.

But, something tells me that the conspiracy theorists still won't be convinced. I suspect that if they had bin Laden's dead body right in front of them they's still say there's "no evidence" of him being dead.

Oh, well.

Sven, who signed that official al-CIA'da statement? Does anyone know? For all you know it could be Rummy using a reduced for sale calligraphy set from Walmart. It's not even letterhead. lol!

Like I said, you could deposit the dead body of OBL in front of a lot of consipracy theorists and they still wouldn't believe he was dead.

Oh, well.

Fri, 2011-05-06 16:30

#14

Fidel

Sven wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Sven wrote:

Well, it looks like even al Qaeda has acknowledged that bin Laden is now dead.

But, something tells me that the conspiracy theorists still won't be convinced. I suspect that if they had bin Laden's dead body right in front of them they's still say there's "no evidence" of him being dead.

Oh, well.

Sven, who signed that official al-CIA'da statement? Does anyone know? For all you know it could be Rummy using a reduced for sale calligraphy set from Walmart. It's not even letterhead. lol!

Like I said, you could deposit the dead body of OBL in front of a lot of consipracy theorists and ...

And we both know that would never happen. Why? Several possibilities:

1. OBL died years ago. Doctors have suggested from old photos of OBL that it appeared he was in the last stages of renal failure.

2. OBL was murdered several years ago by 9/11 paymaster, the very British born MI6 agent [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Omar_Saeed_Sheikh]Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh[/url] as per former Benazir Bhutto's claim.

3. OBL was murdered years ago according to mossad and Pakistan's army intelligence agencies after some claimed to have attended his funeral.

3.5 And fourthly, Elvis bin Laden could even still be alive. Who knows for certain? All we have is circumstantial evidence so typical of the US Military Government whenever the topic of 9/11 arises.

But your belief in this article of faith that OBL was murdered only recently is just that, a leap of faith. You have nothing else to go by in this instance.

Trust and obey, it's the only way when it comes to information pawned off on us like this from the US Military dictatorship and cosmetic government in Washington.What we are dealing with is an outright and blind acceptance of the structures of power and political authority.

The American Inquisition is an ideological construct quite similar to the social order prevailing in France and Spain during the Middle Ages. The inquisition was used as justification for conquest and military intervention from the 12th century and lasted for several hundred years. And to challenge the inquisition on any point of social or political diktat was deemed to be heresy punishable by endless torture and even state sanctioned murder. The inquisitional order of things was used to prop-up elites in absolute power for a long time.

Fri, 2011-05-06 16:58

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Sven

Fidel, your list of alternatives is missing the most probable one: OBL had plastic surgery so that he looks exactly like BHO, along with nifty voice modulation, and a brain implant to give him the memories of (the now late) BHO.

Yes, bin Laden is now the president of the United States!!!

Fri, 2011-05-06 17:11

#16

al-Qa'bong

Is the timing of Bin Laden's death relevant?

Does it matter whether he was gunned down without trial last week or buried under the rubble of Tora Bora ten years ago?

Fri, 2011-05-06 17:16

#17

Sven

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Is the timing of Bin Laden's death relevant?

Does it matter whether he was gunned down without trial last week or buried under the rubble of Tora Bora ten years ago?

Well, according to Fidel, OBL could still be alive!! In which case, the timing of OBL's (future) death is very relevant.

Fri, 2011-05-06 17:27

#18

Fidel

I think it's bugging Sven that he'll never know for sure what the deal is with Elvis bin Laden. And I will always fight for your right to believe in Elvis, the bogeyman, reds under your bed or whichever article of faith you willingly choose to believe in, Sven. I hear Graceland is a nice diversion. lol!

Fri, 2011-05-06 17:31

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Sven

Fidel wrote:

I think it's bugging Sven that he'll never know for sure what the deal is with Elvis bin Laden.

Actually, no. I've very confident that he's...dead.

Fri, 2011-05-06 17:42

#20

Fidel

And without so much as a stitch of incontrovertible physical proof at our disposal for handy reference, so am I confident that he was dead years ago. I'd bet a dollar. lol!

Edited to add: I apologize for my repetitive LOL'ing, but I'm just starting to get the hang of it.

Fri, 2011-05-06 20:13

#21

knownothing knownothing's picture

You are not questioning the word of the President of the United States of America are you? You really think the US would lie to the world like that? Don't you think you are being a little extreme?

I don't believe a fucking word that comes out of that place.

Fri, 2011-05-06 22:15

#22

Sven

Fidel wrote:

And without so much as a stitch of incontrovertible physical proof at our disposal...

Maybe you should contact bin Laden's widow (or at least the widow who was reported to have been in the compound with bid Laden) and she if she'd confirm that the Navy Seals popped a cap in his head or not? Or would that still not be enough to satisfy you, Fidel?

Fri, 2011-05-06 22:28

#23

knownothing knownothing's picture

Sven wrote:

Fidel wrote:

And without so much as a stitch of incontrovertible physical proof at our disposal...

Maybe you should contact bin Laden's widow (or at least the widow who was reported to have been in the compound with bid Laden) and she if she'd confirm that the Navy Seals popped a cap in his head or not? Or would that still not be enough to satisfy you, Fidel?

Skepticism is healthy

Fri, 2011-05-06 22:45

#24

Sven

knownothing wrote:

Skepticism is healthy

I agree that skepticism is healthy. Cynicism, however, can be blinding.

Fri, 2011-05-06 22:47

#25

knownothing knownothing's picture

It's a fine line

Fri, 2011-05-06 22:52

#26

Sven

knownothing wrote:

It's a fine line

Indeed!

Sat, 2011-05-07 00:03

#27

Bubbles

It is all a little weird, this socalled assasination. If they knew he was there why did they send in a team, when their customary means to assasinate seems to be to send in a drone, with little regard for colateral damage. No here they send in a whole team, complete with reality TV crew to film the assasination of Bin Laden. Why? Was it because the American public needed some justification for all that money spend on war. Was it to show Assad and or Gadafi that they could take them out at will? We do not know the motive.

Then on landing in the compound one helicopter experienced problems, could that be the reason the life TV link was interupted?

Then Osama, the main attraction, refused to put up a fight and surendered, acording to a witness, What to do now? Then I imagine the reality TV crew came up with a plan for a followup. Drug up Osama and splatter a few blood filled paintballs at him, sothat the witness would be convinced that was the end of her dad.

The trouble then was that they had to take Osama with them, don't they normaly leave their victims for others to deal with.

Ah ha, a proper Islamic funeral at sea would solve that problem.

Meanwhile I would not be surprised when Osama is in a place like Guantanamo Bay, being prepped for a sequell, so that the war can be continued, I mean that reality show.

Sat, 2011-05-07 00:05

#28

Fidel

Sven wrote:

Fidel wrote:

And without so much as a stitch of incontrovertible physical proof at our disposal...

Maybe you should contact bin Laden's widow (or at least the widow who was reported to have been in the compound with bid Laden) and she if she'd confirm that the Navy Seals popped a cap in his head or not? Or would that still not be enough to satisfy you, Fidel?

Who is she and what's her name? Must have been a quiet wedding with select members of al-CIA'da invited. Maybe she will sell the wedding photos on ebay? lol!

Sven don't be naive. She could be anybody needing a pay day. When someone with money dies or their death faked as is more than likely the case here, all kinds of people come out of the woodwork to claim their inheritance or payoff. It would not be difficult at all for the ISI, CIA, or Brits to find a would-be wife for bin Laden in need of cash or favors. I understand he had a number of wives.

That would be the easy part. Producing the actual goods is another.

<a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24587">Paul Craig Roberts</a> wrote:
Think about it. What are the chances that a person allegedly suffering from kidney disease and requiring dialysis and, in addition, afflicted with diabetes and low blood pressure, survived in mountain hideaways for a decade? If bin Laden was able to acquire dialysis equipment and medical care that his condition required, would not the shipment of dialysis equipment point to his location? Why did it take ten years to find him?

Consider also the claims, repeated by a triumphalist US media celebrating bin Laden's death, that "bin Laden used his millions to bankroll terrorist training camps in Sudan, the Philippines, and Afghanistan, sending ‘holy warriors' to foment revolution and fight with fundamentalist Muslim forces across North Africa, in Chechnya, Tajikistan and Bosnia." That's a lot of activity for mere millions to bankroll (perhaps the US should have put him in charge of the Pentagon), but the main question is: how was bin Laden able to move his money about? What banking system was helping him? The US government succeeds in seizing the assets of people and of entire countries, Libya being the most recent. Why not bin Laden's? Was he carrying around with him $100 million dollars in gold coins and sending emissaries to distribute payments to his far-flung operations?

Did they mention finding dialysis equipment at bin Laden's lair in Pakistan? I don't think so. Or was doing regular appointments downtown?

OBL has defied all the odds with surviving serious health issues while on the lam, funding terrorism in a number of countries, and outwitting the long arm of the financial oligarchy in moving all those millions around the world.

Come to think of it, the 9/11 Commish Cover-up concluded that it's not important to discover who financed 9/11 terror. And skeptics have pointed out that the person accused of murdering Daniel Pearl was the same man who wired $100K to Mohammed Atta - and one in the same person said to be linked with MI6. It's no wonder they weren't interested in Omar Saeed Sheikh. They weren't interested in a publishing more about a number of key "al-Qaeda" members living in the US and Britain and fighting freedom off an on in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Macedonia, Sudan, Chechnya, Dagestan etc since the 1980s and 90s.

Apparently they were just as lax in watching bin Laden's financial dealings since 2001. It's suspicious to say the least.

Sat, 2011-05-07 05:06

#29

Fidel

Yes first it was a firefight and fog of war. Then we learn there was no firefight, and that bin Laden was unarmed when shot to death. It almost sounds like they could have taken him alive. Easily. A trial at the Hague would have made for weeks and months of great propaganda and bolstered the US-led global war on terrorism. For anyone who ever doubted bin Laden's terrorist credentials, this was a glorious opportunity to prove to the world that the bogeyman was real. Dead or alive, it was a golden opportunity.

Instead they shot him on the spot and dumped evidence of their ten year-long hunt and crowning success in the ocean? A likely story. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. As in, we didn't fall off the turnip truck. We weren't even born yesterday.

No we weren't. This newz media event was designed to bolster support for something or someone, but it wasn't meant to convince the skeptics or those of us who require, what? - ordinary proof of their extraordinary claims? An actual body would have sufficed. Some might even be convinced by a video tape of the event in Pakistan that isn't [url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/05/questions-abound-fake-bin-lad... and faked[/url] for the whole world to examine. Even [url=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/obama-osama-bin-laden...'s newz announcement was faked[/url]. False flags everywhere.

Sven, I care about America. I care about you. Don't accept this article of faith as proof of anything. Some of us here realize you're smarter than this.

[url=http://21stcenturywire.com][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/r...

Zbiggy and Elvis bin Laden in the good ol' days

Sat, 2011-05-07 09:51

#30

George Victor

Doug Saunders notes in his Globe op-ed today that several scholars said this week: "Osama bin Laden died in Sidi Bouzid, Tunisia, months before he died in Abbottabad." And in Afghanistan, where "Al-Qaeda has played no significant role...for at least half a decade...none of the Taliban factions likely to take power there appear interested in working with this foreign Arab movement again. And most significantly, al-Qaeda failed to take any role, even an inspirational one , in the Arab revolutions that swept across Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Bahrain and Syria."

Osama bin Laden became "a man of a previous era."

Sat, 2011-05-07 11:06

#31

knownothing knownothing's picture

This is looking like a reason to start a war with Pakistan!

Sat, 2011-05-07 11:23

#32

Sven

George Victor wrote:

"Osama bin Laden died in Sidi Bouzid, Tunisia, months before he died in Abbottabad."

So, OBL died...twice?

Sat, 2011-05-07 11:50

#33

al-Qa'bong

It's called a figure of speech.

Sat, 2011-05-07 12:15

#34

Sven

al-Qa'bong wrote:

It's called a figure of speech.

This link provides a reasonably good description (through illustration) of a "figure of speech" -- the headline from the Globe and Mail piece was just sloppy writing.

Sat, 2011-05-07 12:26

#35

knownothing knownothing's picture

This bin Laden prank is simply a distraction from the debt ceiling problem.

Sat, 2011-05-07 12:31

#36

al-Qa'bong

Come on, Sven; you don't think Saunders was using figurative language when he wrote that the Arab Spring killed bin Laden?

I suppose you think the world was created in six days too.

Sat, 2011-05-07 13:29

#37

Sven

al-Qa'bong wrote:

I suppose you think the world was created in six days too.

Right. Like most atheists.

Sat, 2011-05-07 13:59

#38

knownothing knownothing's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMXUtgG5AwU

Sat, 2011-05-07 14:14

#39

Sven

knownothing wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMXUtgG5AwU

Isn't The Alex Jones Show a right-wing radio show? I don't know anything about Gerald Celente but, according to this site, he's very popular with Fox News:

"The media — or, rather, FOX News and conservative websites — is listening to Celente because he “predicted” the 1997 currency crisis in Asia, the subprime mortgage disaster, and the dollar dipping south. But Infowars, a website run by paleoconservative radio show host Alex Jones, is basking in this dystopic news like an AIG executive riding high on Uncle Sam’s dime. What’s particularly strange is that Infowars hasn’t bothered to quibble with Celente’s statements, much less point to any of his inaccurate predictions."

Sat, 2011-05-07 14:34

#40

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Quote:
[The USA] wants to occupy our countries, steal our resources, impose agents on us to rule us and then wants us to agree to all this.... If we refuse to do so, it says we are terrorists. When Palestinian children throw stones against the Israeli occupation, the U.S. says they are terrorists. Whereas when Israel bombed the United Nations building in Lebanon while it was full of children and women, the U.S. stopped any plan to condemn Israel. At the same time that they condemn any Muslim who calls for his rights, they receive the top official of the Irish Republican Army at the White House as a political leader. Wherever we look, we find the U.S. as the leader of terrorism and crime in the world.

Somehow I don't feel like cheering the assassination of someone who said the above to CNN in 1997, any more than I would cheer if the man who said the following were gunned down by the U.S. military:

Quote:
The expansion of military occupation that took place throughout, in particular the Arab world, following 9/11 - and that this presence of American imperial bases [is] dotted, not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Doha - is one that has done more to engender hatred and acts of terror than anything ever orchestrated by Osama bin Laden.
- [url=http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/02-2]Chris Hedges[/url]

Sat, 2011-05-07 14:42

#41

Fidel

bin Laden was a rabid anticommunist. The mujahideen freedom fighters were basically mercenaries backed by the western world. They are violent misogynists and theocratic feudalists. There is no such thing as al-Qaeda. The US and Brits and Saudis, ISI etc never ceased shovelling money to the madrassa system in Central Asia and did not sever ties with their Islamic jihadis by 1992 as claimed.

Sat, 2011-05-07 14:49

#42

knownothing knownothing's picture

Sven wrote:

knownothing wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMXUtgG5AwU

Isn't The Alex Jones Show a right-wing radio show? I don't know anything about Gerald Celente but, according to this site, he's very popular with Fox News:

"The media — or, rather, FOX News and conservative websites — is listening to Celente because he “predicted” the 1997 currency crisis in Asia, the subprime mortgage disaster, and the dollar dipping south. But Infowars, a website run by paleoconservative radio show host Alex Jones, is basking in this dystopic news like an AIG executive riding high on Uncle Sam’s dime. What’s particularly strange is that Infowars hasn’t bothered to quibble with Celente’s statements, much less point to any of his inaccurate predictions."

The right and the left find consensus on may topics including the war, drugs and state corruption. Noam Chomsky and Ron Paul would agree on many things although they would also disagree on many others.

Sat, 2011-05-07 14:50

#43

Unionist

[url=http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/]Noam Chomsky: My reaction to Osama Bin Laden's death[/url]

Quote:
It’s increasingly clear that the operation was a planned assassination, multiply violating elementary norms of international law. There appears to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim, as presumably could have been done by 80 commandos facing virtually no opposition—except, they claim, from his wife, who lunged towards them. In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are apprehended and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.” In April 2002, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than that it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April 2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.”

Sat, 2011-05-07 15:01

#44

knownothing knownothing's picture

Unionist wrote:

[url=http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/]Noam Chomsky: My reaction to Osama Bin Laden's death[/url]

Quote:
It’s increasingly clear that the operation was a planned assassination, multiply violating elementary norms of international law. There appears to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim, as presumably could have been done by 80 commandos facing virtually no opposition—except, they claim, from his wife, who lunged towards them. In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are apprehended and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.” In April 2002, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than that it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April 2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.”

As you can expect, Chomsky deals with the facts, which are what the US said. Not necessarily making them true.

Sat, 2011-05-07 16:41

#45

Fidel

Noam Chomsky wrote:
Nothing serious has been provided since. There is much talk of bin Laden's "confession," but that is rather like my confession that I won the Boston Marathon. He boasted of what he regarded as a great achievement.

And if we remember, bin Laden first denied having anything to do with 9/11. In his statement he said it's against Islam to murder innocent bystanders, women and children etc regardless of the situation.

The USA's is a terribly corrupt government - far more corrupt and lacking accountability and transparency than even Ottawa. There are serious problems with America's democratic institutions and far more serious than our own corrupt stoogeaucracy here in Canada. Whistleblowers have no protection or means to leak the truth other than wikileaks and independent news sites on the internet.

This is how the rest of the world views Washington:

[url=http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/multimedia/books/1634-whistleblower-us... US Officials Sold Nuclear Secrets[/url] 2008

And if we can imagine, far more corrupt than even the former USSR.

Sun, 2011-05-08 01:16

#46

NDPP

Native American Activist Winona LaDuke on Use Of 'Geronimo' for Osama bin Laden - The Continuation Of The Wars Against Indigenous Peoples (and vid)

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/5/6/native_american_activist_winona_lad...

Pakistani Military Faces Scrutiny: Evidence Suggests Direct Role

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/5/5/pakistani_military_faces_scrutiny_a...

Alex Jones on OBL: 'Red ALert'! and Stop False Flag' Terror

http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-help-stop-false-flag-terror/

Pakistan

Sun, 2011-05-08 08:18

#47

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

NDPP wrote:

Native American Activist Winona LaDuke on Use Of 'Geronimo' for Osama bin Laden - The Continuation Of The Wars Against Indigenous Peoples (and vid)

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/5/6/native_american_activist_winona_lad...

Fair enough... they should have used "dickhead" or something for him.

As for him being unarmed and shot on the spot I really don't care; you'd think getting shot by a Special Forces unit kind 'a goes with the job of being a terrorist master mind/commander. That and considering all the shit he talked about jihad, martyrdom and fighting America the fact that he didn't have a weapon on him even when it took to SEALs 10 or 15 minutes to get to him kind 'a makes him look like a bit of a dumbass if you really think about it.

Sun, 2011-05-08 13:44

#48

thorin_bane

You mean like we did for milosovich(sp) in serbia and his terror acts on civilians...oh wait he wasn't a boogey man and went to the hague didn't he. This is such bullshit and many people are thinking its real. They showed a video of him watching himself...seated, over the shoulder, never see his face, while using a remote with his right hand. While it may be common in the arab world to use a remote with your right even if left handed, I am not aware of it.

Sun, 2011-05-08 14:09

#49

writer

I am left-handed. As a genius, I am somehow able to use either hand with a remote, though I don't often need both at once. So sad that I am the only left-handed person on earth with such skill. It's lonely.

Sun, 2011-05-08 16:36

#50

knownothing knownothing's picture

Who else thinks the US had these videos all along?

Sun, 2011-05-08 16:37

#51

thorin_bane

Writer did you see the video? It isn't him. Its pure propaganda. Why don't they just say they bombed the place he was at show a foot and say after 2 weeks the DNA has come back to confirm it was him. I was not aware they could DNA match someone in under a day, but I am sure that will hit the airwaves this week, such an amazing technology and all.

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