Why must we support the same thing when the prayers are Muslim?
I think the rationale may go something like this: Muslims, relative to Christians, are oppressed. Therefore, Muslims should be cut slack that we'd never, for a tiny instant, tolerate with Christians.
The standard should be simply this: No religion in public schools.
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our schools are entirely christian based. whaty do folks not get about that???
Absolute tribal madness.Absolute racist Islamophobic bullshit.
Ya, I had a bit of an issue with that portion, but what the hell, given the absolute sexist, misogynistic, western guilt, that would prompt people to even consider religion in public schools, bullshit, I thought I would let it pass.
perhaps even judeo-christian considering the schedule. has anyone considered that
Ya well, this calendar has been around for a fucking long time, the whole world operates on it, and I would rather revamp the calendar than allow religion in public schools.
the western calendar has been around for a long time, you're right. im used to it. unfortunately im pretty sure more than half the world doesnt really follow it.
you already have religion in public schools. christian.
we need a new religion. civilization. i hear you, i hope you'll listen to me. it ain't going to be easy. im just a dude that ventures into this because i care to get shot down.
my mistakes might be others lessons. sorry if i seem curt at at times.
like for you, i know this bandwith can be a pain.
this is just one of those pile on stories. much ado about nothing. a % of a % of a % of our population. much worse is going on. im sure you can resonate with that idea.
but yeah its not good either. i wasnt impresssed. you know what though. it just inflames the ezra levants, corens et al.
anytime we give credence to them im disappointed.
In Burnaby we have homophobic Xians demanding that their children be shielded from a policy that targets LGBT bashing in the public school. They claim that the school is interfering with their parental right to teach their children that any other than heterosexuality is immoral and unnatural. The school board did not back down and instituted the policy.
That is where letting religion into schools leads to. The Moslem students were first accommodated by giving them the time to go to mosque. That was the proper accommodation not having the school provide a space so students from Moslem families will have the public school enforce their attendance at a religious ceremony.
No religion in public schools. No public funding to private schools, religious or otherwise, sums up my views on the subject.
In Burnaby we have homophobic Xians demanding that their children be shielded from a policy that targets LGBT bashing in the public school. They claim that the school is interfering with their parental right to teach their children that any other than heterosexuality is immoral and unnatural. The school board did not back down and instituted the policy.
I bet everybody on this board supports the Burnaby School Board's decision. Would the same be true if these homophobic parents were from a minority religion? It should be.
Agreed but this is in Ontario where they're banning gay-straight alliances.
And I agree with you when it's universal.
In Burnaby we have homophobic Xians demanding that their children be shielded from a policy that targets LGBT bashing in the public school. They claim that the school is interfering with their parental right to teach their children that any other than heterosexuality is immoral and unnatural. The school board did not back down and instituted the policy.
I bet everybody on this board supports the Burnaby School Board's decision. Would the same be true if these homophobic parents were from a minority religion? It should be.
I bet they do too. But that's BC and this is ON. See post #112. Apples & oranges.
I bet everybody on this board supports the Burnaby School Board's decision. Would the same be true if these homophobic parents were from a minority religion? It should be.In Burnaby we have homophobic Xians demanding that their children be shielded from a policy that targets LGBT bashing in the public school. They claim that the school is interfering with their parental right to teach their children that any other than heterosexuality is immoral and unnatural. The school board did not back down and instituted the policy.
Actually I was stressing the Xian nature but the opposition based on having their religious views accommodated came from Catholic, Chinese Xian and Moslem groups.
They all argue that teaching children that hetrosexuality is not superior or the norm violates their rights to raise their children as homophobes.
In the toronto school the sermon on Friday could be used to attack just such a policy.
Charter Lau of ParentsVoice takes issue with the policy’s definition of heterosexism. “If you think that heterosexuality is the norm, then you are heterosexist, then you are a danger to the individual and the community. If someone thinks homosexuality is normal, then you’re okay.”
In the policy, heterosexism is defined as “the mistaken assumption that all people are heterosexual and that heterosexuality is superior and the norm by which all other sexual orientation and gender identities are measured.” The policy also states that heterosexism “perpetuates negative stereotypes and is dangerous to individuals and communities.”
http://communities.canada.com/vannet/blogs/commcons/archive/2011/06/08/c...
http://www.thebcma.com/News.aspx?newsId=188
RP - two wrongs do not make a right. The fact that the Catholic school board in Ontario does not support or allow gay-straight alliances does not mean that the public Ontario board should allow religion in its schools. Is that what you're suggesting?
The religious folks know very well, that if young girls are taught in school that in fact, they do NOT have to sit at the back of the bus, then they are not going to put up with it later.
So if they can bring the prayer into school-time, in a school-room, the young girls get the clear MESSAGE that before "God" they are at the back of the room, and the boys are up front.
Amazingly, there are some on the "left" who did an Editorial in the Star, that this was all fine, and just cultural. Its not.
I think people need to put serious pressure on these religions, and that might make them begin to modernize a bit in the west.
Its great that Mallick has stood up on this issue, and she's probably taking some serious heat for that.
Mentrating girls should not be singled out in a Canadian public school!! Absolute tribal madness.
Those schools next step will be to ban all sex-Ed, and just opt their kids out of anything they don't want. Its a real mess.
I have a couple problems with this. Firstly, why should "these religions" "modernize" in the west? What, the west is special? Newsflash - misogyny is alive and well here too. Also, the qualifier "these" ... do you mean just Islam? Fundamentalist Islam? Fundamentalist religions in general? Would you discount the progressive elements in the Muslim faith, or that Muslim women are perfectly capable of standing up against sexism in religious practise (and many Muslim feminists do, and are slowly changing practises that demean women).
Also, the term "tribal madness" is a slur that implies certain social structures are barbaric, backward and uncivilized in nature. Many people who belong to tribes - Middle Eastern, First Nations, etc., would be quite justly be angry and insulted by the inference.
Please be more careful with your language when making a point.
So the main gist of the argument is this: Since there are still vestiges of Christianity in schools and women are oppressed anyway, Muslim prayer in school and the segregation of girls should be allowed. Have I got that right?
My suggestion would be to take the vestiges of Christianity out - which has been happening over the few decades since I've been out of public school. There is no longer the prayer in the morning, most districts have a spring break unconnected to where Easter falls, etc.
I think revamping the calendar would be more problematic than it's worth.
Allowing added oppression of girls (whether it's by a minority group or not) until non-oppression of women is universal is a bass-ackward approach. So is allowing a religion fuller practice within the public school system until every trace of all religions is eradicated is.
As Summer pointed out, there is a hierarchy of rights in play. Women should not be oppressed or discriminated against in public institutions, whether one's religion agrees with that or not. We are equal under the law. Not having a prayer room in a public school in no way interferes with the free practice of one's religion. This whole issue in connection with public schools is highly inappropriate.
Closing for length.
