NDP back in the lead. Good day for the Greens. Bad day for the Libs. They stayed the same in one,dropped slightly in another and made gains in another due to unusual local conditions. The conditions being they had a popular mayor criticize their candidate, had a weak candidate, many provincial Tories sat on their hands to punish the federal Tories for supporting WR. Plus finally, this is not a trend.They are not going to win a seat in AB next election.
Three Byelections Called
Tue, 2012-11-27 00:57
#252
Tue, 2012-11-27 00:57
#253
After 200 polls Rankin NDP with a 400 vote lead.
Voter turnout seems pathetically low.
Tue, 2012-11-27 00:58
#254
Stephen Maher & Aaron Wherry are reporting that NDP is expecting to win remaining polls in VICTORIA.
Tue, 2012-11-27 00:59
#255
NDP back in the lead. Good day for the Greens. Bad day for the Libs. They stayed the same in one,dropped slightly in another and made gains in another due to unusual local conditions. The conditions being they had a popular mayor criticize their candidate, had a weak candidate, many provincial Tories sat on their hands to punish the federal Tories for supporting WR. Plus finally, this is not a trend.They are not going to win a seat in AB next election.
Good day for the Greens. Good day for the Libs. So-so day for the NDP & Cons. NDP barely hold VICTORIA, Cons barely hold CALGARY CENTRE. Meanwhile Greens & Libs come close to pulling upsets in both.
Shows decline for Cons & NDP from previous election and increase for Libs & Greens.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:01
#256
At 175/256 polls, Galloway had a 184 vote lead over Rankin. At 180 polls, Galloways lead was 315 votes I then wrote that whether Rankin can catch him depends on where the remaining polls as this quick increase is likely from wealthy polls. However, I had a glitch and could not enter this. Now Rankin has a 359 vote lead after 190 polls, likely due to middle and lower class polls coming in. Who wins still depends on where the remaining polls are located.
In Sask where I was a scrutineer the Conservatiives would have leads at first becasue the small rural polls (mixed urban and rural ridings federally) would be counted first and reported first. Later urban polls would help the NDP to gain some of the ground. I don't know this riding but could this be areas of high density housing coming in and these are NDP areas?
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:01
#257
Rankin now has exactly a 400 vote lead after 200/256 polls.
VICTORIA:
Candidate Party Votes %
Green Party Donald Galloway 10015 35.1
Conservative Dale Gann 4126 14.5
Libertarian Art Lowe 144 0.5
Christian Heritage Philip G. Ney 152 0.5
NDP Murray Rankin 10415 36.5
LiberalPaul Summerville 3680 12.9
Polls reporting: 200/256Voter turnout: 28,522 of 88,886 registered electors (32.1%)
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:02
#258
It is lookinglike the Greens will take Victoria. Their lead of 130 plus is starting to be consistent.
Where are you getting that? Elections Canada has Rankin ahead by nearly 400 votes.
Green PartyDonald Galloway 10,015 35.1
ConservativeDale Gann 4,126 14.5
LibertarianArt Lowe 144 0.5
Christian Heritage PartyPhilip G. Ney 152 0.5
NDP-New Democratic PartyMurray Rankin 10,405 36.5
LiberalPaul Summerville 3,680 12.9
Total number of valid votes: 28,522
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:03
#259
It is lookinglike the Greens will take Victoria. Their lead of 130 plus is starting to be consistent.
Where are you getting that? Elections Canada has Rankin ahead by nearly 400 votes.
Green PartyDonald Galloway 10,015 35.1
ConservativeDale Gann 4,126 14.5
LibertarianArt Lowe 144 0.5
Christian Heritage PartyPhilip G. Ney 152 0.5
LiberalPaul Summerville 3,680 12.9
Total number of valid votes: 28,522
The person above posted that when the Greens were leading. That has since changed. That poster's information was accurate at the time.
NDP are declaring victory to their supporters according to media reports from Victoria.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:07
#260
It is lookinglike the Greens will take Victoria. Their lead of 130 plus is starting to be consistent.
Where are you getting that? Elections Canada has Rankin ahead by nearly 400 votes.
Green PartyDonald Galloway 10,015 35.1
ConservativeDale Gann 4,126 14.5
LibertarianArt Lowe 144 0.5
Christian Heritage PartyPhilip G. Ney 152 0.5
LiberalPaul Summerville 3,680 12.9
Total number of valid votes: 28,522
The person above posted that when the Greens were leading. That has since changed. That poster's information was accurate at the time.
NDP are declaring victory to their supporters according to media reports from Victoria.
I spoke too soon. What did Dylan say about the wheel is still in spin..
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:08
#261
So in VICTORIA, the NDP went from 50% in 2011, to 36% tonight.
Meanwhile, the Greens jumped from 11% to 35%.
The Cons declined from 23% to 14%, and the Liberals remained almost the same at 13%
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/myelection/ridings/304/
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:10
#262
After 200 polls Rankin NDP with a 400 vote lead.
Voter turnout seems pathetically low.
It appears the riding with the most media attention will have the lowest turnout.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:11
#263
With all polls reporting, the final results for Durham are:
Party Votes %
Green Party Virginia Ervin 1,386 4.1
Liberal Grant Humes 5,887 17.3
Christian Heritage Party Andrew Moriarity 437 1.3
Online Party Michael Nicula 132 0.4
NDP-New Democratic Party Larry O'Connor 8947 26.3
Conservative Erin O'Toole 17281 50.7
Polls reporting: 236/236 Voter turnout: 34,070 of 95,296 registered electors (35.8%)
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:11
#264
At 175/256 polls, Galloway had a 184 vote lead over Rankin. At 180 polls, Galloways lead was 315 votes I then wrote that whether Rankin can catch him depends on where the remaining polls as this quick increase is likely from wealthy polls. However, I had a glitch and could not enter this. Now Rankin has a 359 vote lead after 190 polls, likely due to middle and lower class polls coming in. Who wins still depends on where the remaining polls are located.
In Sask where I was a scrutineer the Conservatiives would have leads at first becasue the small rural polls (mixed urban and rural ridings federally) would be counted first and reported first. Later urban polls would help the NDP to gain some of the ground. I don't know this riding but could this be areas of high density housing coming in and these are NDP areas?
And probably the NDP campaign office knows already what the final outcome is from reports from inside scutineers.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:14
#265
NDP now 37% to Greens 34%.
So NDP will win, as I already stated above.
But it's not the result the NDP wanted. And it gives Elizabeth May momentum to claim that she can now win additional seats and may some day be able to elect a friend to join her in the House and keep her from being alone!
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:15
#266
The lead is now over 800 votes after 205 polls. If the trend continues we may be able to call this soon.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:16
#267
In Victoria, the byelection is all about the sewer treatment--the Greens, Liberals and Conservatives want to back off on treatment, the NDP is the only party taking the difficult position of treatment--nobody it seems wants to pay more taxes. Shame on the Greens for using this issue. Murray Ranking started off the campaign on his opposition to Enbridge and reducing homelessness. The other parties have used the sewer as a wedge issue--even though an MP would have very little influence on the issue.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:17
#268
Rankin now has extended his lead to 821 votes after 205/256 polls. Clearly with an increase of 421 votes in just 5 polls, the polls coming in now are not from the wealthy areas. Starting to look more and more like an NDP victory.
VICTORIA:
Candidate Party Votes %
Green Party Donald Galloway 10476 34.3
Conservative Dale Gann 4475 14.7
Libertarian Art Lowe 149 0.5
Christian Heritage Philip G. Ney 153 0.5
NDP Murray Rankin 11297 36.5
LiberalPaul Summerville 3957 13.0
Polls reporting: 205/256Voter turnout: 30,507 of 88,886 registered electors (34.3%)
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:20
#269
In Victoria, the byelection is all about the sewer treatment--the Greens, Liberals and Conservatives want to back off on treatment, the NDP is the only party taking the difficult position of treatment--nobody it seems wants to pay more taxes. Shame on the Greens for using this issue. Murray Ranking started off the campaign on his opposition to Enbridge and reducing homelessness. The other parties have used the sewer as a wedge issue--even though an MP would have very little influence on the issue.
Yes you wonder if the localized short term gain that the Greens received by cynically disowning their committment to the environment may turn on them. We now have a Green party which likes to dump sewage into the ocean.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:25
#270
Perhaps we should call them the Browns.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:26
#271
From Twitter:
Big cheer at NDP hq at latest party numbers: 13955 for Rankin, 13061 for Galloway
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:31
#272
With all polls reporting in Calgary Centre, Crockatt won 36.9% to 32.7% over Locke, close to the poll predictions.
CALGARY CENTRE:
Candidate Party Votes %
Joan Crockatt Conservative 10,201 36.9
Antoni Grochowski Independent 141 0.5
Harvey Locke Liberal 9,034 32.7
Dan Meades NDP 1063 3.8
Tony Prashad Libertarian 121 0.4
Chris Turner Green 7090 25.6
Polls reporting: 263/263 Voter turnout: 27,650 of 93,984 registered electors (29.4%)
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:35
#273
it is obvious the Greens appeal to wealthier constituents (because of their tax policy platform) It is no coincidence that EMay ran in one of the richest ridings in Canada (Saanich and the Gulf Islands)
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:39
#274
Rankin now has extended his lead to 1,248 votes after 213/256 polls and a lead of 37.5% to 33.7% of the vote. The polls coming in now are increasingly favouring the NDP. Overcoming this lead will be almost impossible with only 43 polls remaining.
VICTORIA:
Candidate Party Votes %
Green Party Donald Galloway 11016 33.7
Conservative Dale Gann 4809 14.7
Libertarian Art Lowe 161 0.5
Christian Heritage Philip G. Ney 163 0.5
NDP Murray Rankin 12264 37.5
LiberalPaul Summerville 4281 13.1
Polls reporting: 213/256 Voter turnout: 32,694 of 88,886 registered electors (36.8%
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:39
#275
From Twitter: Big cheer at NDP hq at latest party numbers: 13955 for Rankin, 13061 for Galloway
The gap is actually closing a bit but time is running out for the Greens.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:39
#276
it is obvious the Greens appeal to wealthier constituents (because of their tax policy platform) It is no coincidence that EMay ran in one of the richest ridings in Canada (Saanich and the Gulf Islands)
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:41
#277
660News@660News
BREAKING: NDP candidate Murray Rankin claims by-election win in Victoria, narrowly defeating Green party rival Donald Galloway
CBC News Alerts@CBCAlerts
Murray Rankin projected to win Victoria byelection for NDP . . Rankin, a lawyer, defeated Green Party's Donald Galloway.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:41
#278
The lead is now over 800 votes after 205 polls. If the trend continues we may be able to call this soon.
I think it's already basically been called for the NDP.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:42
#279
Rankin now has extended his lead to 1,248 votes after 213/256 polls and a lead of 37.5% to 33.7% of the vote. The polls coming in now are increasingly favouring the NDP. Overcoming this lead will be almost impossible with only 43 polls remaining.
VICTORIA:
Candidate Party Votes %
Green Party Donald Galloway 11016 33.7
Conservative Dale Gann 4809 14.7
Libertarian Art Lowe 161 0.5
Christian Heritage Philip G. Ney 163 0.5
NDP Murray Rankin 12264 37.5
LiberalPaul Summerville 4281 13.1
Polls reporting: 213/256 Voter turnout: 32,694 of 88,886 registered electors (36.8%
I was at Party HQ in Edmonton Strathcona in 2008, so anything is possible. I don't think the Greens have a big 80% poll in their back pocket though, like Linda Duncan did.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:43
#280
In Victoria, the byelection is all about the sewer treatment--the Greens, Liberals and Conservatives want to back off on treatment, the NDP is the only party taking the difficult position of treatment--nobody it seems wants to pay more taxes. Shame on the Greens for using this issue. Murray Ranking started off the campaign on his opposition to Enbridge and reducing homelessness. The other parties have used the sewer as a wedge issue--even though an MP would have very little influence on the issue.
Yes you wonder if the localized short term gain that the Greens received by cynically disowning their committment to the environment may turn on them. We now have a Green party which likes to dump sewage into the ocean.
Things are certainly getting rough between the Greens & the NDP. Elizabeth May & Peter Julian had a heated exchange on Twitter earlier in the day.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:51
#281
The Green proposal to shift the tax burden from income and corporate taxes to "green" taxes would greatly benefit the wealthy and therefore definitely appeal to them, especially when they can say they are doing for environmental reasons (although they don't want to pay for treating sewage in a city of 300,000 beyond the primary level, something that most towns of 5,000 do). While ocean currents may carry much of this away from the city, it is harming ocean species and much of it heads for nearby American municipalities. Believe me, these communities are not at all happy with how Victoria has got away with this for close to 100 years and i don't blame them. The NDP needs to start pointing out in a more forceful manner how this type of "Green" tax policy simply moves the costs of dealing with pollution from the rich to the middle class and poor and to other communities.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:53
#282
In Victoria, the byelection is all about the sewer treatment--the Greens, Liberals and Conservatives want to back off on treatment, the NDP is the only party taking the difficult position of treatment--nobody it seems wants to pay more taxes. Shame on the Greens for using this issue. Murray Ranking started off the campaign on his opposition to Enbridge and reducing homelessness. The other parties have used the sewer as a wedge issue--even though an MP would have very little influence on the issue.
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Yes you wonder if the localized short term gain that the Greens received by cynically disowning their committment to the environment may turn on them. We now have a Green party which likes to dump sewage into the ocean.
Things are certainly getting rough between the Greens & the NDP. Elizabeth May & Peter Julian had a heated exchange on Twitter earlier in the day.
May is very anti-NDP. She seems at times to be a stalking horse for the Libs. Maybe she resents the NDP beause they have the supporters that she feels she is entitled too. Or maybe her conservatism has had her develop a viseral dislike for the NDP but whatever it is, it is palpable
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:57
#283
From Twitter: Big cheer at NDP hq at latest party numbers: 13955 for Rankin, 13061 for GallowayThe gap is actually closing a bit but time is running out for the Greens.
That must have been after 230 odd polls. CBC has called it for Rankin.
Tue, 2012-11-27 01:58
#284
In Victoria, the byelection is all about the sewer treatment--the Greens, Liberals and Conservatives want to back off on treatment, the NDP is the only party taking the difficult position of treatment--nobody it seems wants to pay more taxes. Shame on the Greens for using this issue. Murray Ranking started off the campaign on his opposition to Enbridge and reducing homelessness. The other parties have used the sewer as a wedge issue--even though an MP would have very little influence on the issue.
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Yes you wonder if the localized short term gain that the Greens received by cynically disowning their committment to the environment may turn on them. We now have a Green party which likes to dump sewage into the ocean.
Things are certainly getting rough between the Greens & the NDP. Elizabeth May & Peter Julian had a heated exchange on Twitter earlier in the day.
May is very anti-NDP. She seems at times to be a stalking horse for the Libs. Maybe she resents the NDP beause they have the supporters that she feels she is entitled too. Or maybe her conservatism has had her develop a viseral dislike for the NDP but whatever it is, it is palpable
She's not a stalking horse for the Libs - and that's going to be even less plausible after tonight in which it looks like the Green may have cost the Libs in Calgary Centre. Is she a stalking horse for the NDP? It looks like a lot of NDP voters in Calgary Centre voted Green, afterall why else did the NDP drop to 3.8% of the vote?
But seriously, rather than you or I claiming she is trying to help one party or another, I think the most likely explanation is that she is just following her own agenda and doing what she thinks is best, regardless of how it affects anyone else.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:00
#285
Rankin's lead is virtually constant changing from 1,248 to only 1,249 votes as the number of polls reporting increased from 213/256 to 230 polls and a lead of 37.7% to 34.2% of the vote over Galloway. Hard to see anyway Galloway could now win.
VICTORIA:
Candidate Party Votes %
Green Party Donald Galloway 11948 34.2
Conservative Dale Gann 5,000 14.3
Libertarian Art Lowe 172 0.5
Christian Heritage Philip G. Ney 171 0.5
NDP Murray Rankin 13197 37.7
LiberalPaul Summerville 4488 12.8
Polls reporting: 230/256 Voter turnout: 34,976 of 88,886 registered electors (39.4%)
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:01
#286
Let's just say that finishing in 1st place in BC, and in 2nd place in Ontario is a lot better, compared to finishing in 4th place in BC, and 3rd place in Ontario.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:06
#287
Let's just say that finishing in 1st place in BC, and in 2nd place in Ontario is a lot better, compared to finishing in 4th place in BC, and 3rd place in Ontario.
Let's just say that dramatically increasing your support in one riding (Calgary Centre) and staying basically the same in the other 2 (Victoria & Durham) is better than collapsing in 2 (Calgary Centre & Victoria) and only marginally increasing in 1 (Durham).
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:10
#288
In Victoria, the byelection is all about the sewer treatment--the Greens, Liberals and Conservatives want to back off on treatment, the NDP is the only party taking the difficult position of treatment--nobody it seems wants to pay more taxes. Shame on the Greens for using this issue. Murray Ranking started off the campaign on his opposition to Enbridge and reducing homelessness. The other parties have used the sewer as a wedge issue--even though an MP would have very little influence on the issue.
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Yes you wonder if the localized short term gain that the Greens received by cynically disowning their committment to the environment may turn on them. We now have a Green party which likes to dump sewage into the ocean.
Things are certainly getting rough between the Greens & the NDP. Elizabeth May & Peter Julian had a heated exchange on Twitter earlier in the day.
May is very anti-NDP. She seems at times to be a stalking horse for the Libs. Maybe she resents the NDP beause they have the supporters that she feels she is entitled too. Or maybe her conservatism has had her develop a viseral dislike for the NDP but whatever it is, it is palpable
She's not a stalking horse for the Libs - and that's going to be even less plausible after tonight in which it looks like the Green may have cost the Libs in Calgary Centre. Is she a stalking horse for the NDP? It looks like a lot of NDP voters in Calgary Centre voted Green, afterall why else did the NDP drop to 3.8% of the vote?
But seriously, rather than you or I claiming she is trying to help one party or another, I think the most likely explanation is that she is just following her own agenda and doing what she thinks is best, regardless of how it affects anyone else.
Come on debater! I gave several possibilities and then opened it up. You replied to one. You have also confused outcome with intention.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:10
#289
Arthur Cramer
Debater, spin it any way you want. you guys should have done better, and you didn't. You need to break through in BC, because Alberta isn't about to go Lib. And you didn't. You know, if you keep it up, all that spinning is going to make you dizzy.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:12
#290
In Victoria, the byelection is all about the sewer treatment--the Greens, Liberals and Conservatives want to back off on treatment, the NDP is the only party taking the difficult position of treatment--nobody it seems wants to pay more taxes. Shame on the Greens for using this issue. Murray Ranking started off the campaign on his opposition to Enbridge and reducing homelessness. The other parties have used the sewer as a wedge issue--even though an MP would have very little influence on the issue.
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Yes you wonder if the localized short term gain that the Greens received by cynically disowning their committment to the environment may turn on them. We now have a Green party which likes to dump sewage into the ocean.
Things are certainly getting rough between the Greens & the NDP. Elizabeth May & Peter Julian had a heated exchange on Twitter earlier in the day.
May is very anti-NDP. She seems at times to be a stalking horse for the Libs. Maybe she resents the NDP beause they have the supporters that she feels she is entitled too. Or maybe her conservatism has had her develop a viseral dislike for the NDP but whatever it is, it is palpable
She's not a stalking horse for the Libs - and that's going to be even less plausible after tonight in which it looks like the Green may have cost the Libs in Calgary Centre. Is she a stalking horse for the NDP? It looks like a lot of NDP voters in Calgary Centre voted Green, afterall why else did the NDP drop to 3.8% of the vote?
But seriously, rather than you or I claiming she is trying to help one party or another, I think the most likely explanation is that she is just following her own agenda and doing what she thinks is best, regardless of how it affects anyone else.
Come on debater! I gave several possibilities and then opened it up. You replied to one. You have also confused outcome with intention.
All I'm saying is that Elizabeth May is Elizabeth May. She has nothing to do with the Liberals or the NDP other than sometimes taking support away from both of them. Who knows what her future holds at this point.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:15
#291
Durham actually was the bellweather riding, the riding to watch in these by-elections, because of the importance on Ontario in a federal election, and the Trudeau Liberals have suffered another devastating blow in Ontario. They are not quite dead yet, but definitely it is another nail in their coffin.
NDP claim byelection victory in Victoria, while Conservatives take Calgary, Ontario ridings
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Byelection+results+showing+neck+neck+ba...
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:16
#292
Debater, spin it any way you want. you guys should have done better, and you didn't. You need to break through in BC, because Alberta isn't about to go Lib. And you didn't. You know, if you keep it up, all that spinning is going to make you dizzy.
I'm not spinning anything any more than you are. Shouldn't your party have done better tonight?
As I said above, NDP support dropped significantly in VICTORIA, fell to the bottom in CALGARY CENTRE to 3.8% and only marginally increased in DURHAM, despite having a much stronger candidate than in 2011.
In a moment of objectivity on another thread, you admitted yourself when you saw the VICTORIA results that they were not good for the NDP compared to what they should have done tonight. Questions will be asked about Mulcair.
Anyway, all 4 parties will claim a win tomorrow! That's the politics of all this. No one had the perfect result they wanted.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:16
#293
Murray Rankin has won the Victoria byelection for the NDP.Photograph by: Adrian Lam , timescolonist.com
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:17
#294
Arthur Cramer
May hates the NDP. If she got the right offer, she'd cross the floor and sit as a Lib. If the LPC wins government, watch for her to cross the floor and become minister of the environment in a Trudeau government. Like the Libs, she is in it for herself. It has nothing with governing in the interests of the people. Run left, govern right. Nothing will change.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:18
#295
Durham actually was the bellweather riding, the riding to watch in these by-elections, because of the importance on Ontario in a federal election, and the Trudeau Liberals have suffered another devastating blow in Ontario. They are not quite dead yet, but definitely it is another nail in their coffin.
Right. First chuckle I've had tonight.
There aren't any 'Trudeau Liberals' yet, btw. He's not Leader.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:19
#296
In Central Ontario’s Durham riding, Conservative Erin O’Toole was out to an early lead with more than 50 per cent of votes cast for him so far, ahead of New Democrat Larry O’Connor’s 26 per cent.
Liberal challenger Grant Humes trailed in third place with more than a third of votes already tallied, marking a dynamic shift in a riding where Liberal-Conservative horse races were the norm.
Preliminary election results seem confirm earlier polls indicating voters will be sending parliamentarians wearing the same partisan sweaters back to Ottawa. Presumably then, two more Conservatives and one New Democrat will return to the House of Commons, an outcome that would alter neither the party standings nor the political dynamic.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:19
#297
Let's just say that finishing in 1st place in BC, and in 2nd place in Ontario is a lot better, compared to finishing in 4th place in BC, and 3rd place in Ontario.
Let's just say that dramatically increasing your support in one riding (Calgary Centre) and staying basically the same in the other 2 (Victoria & Durham) is better than collapsing in 2 (Calgary Centre & Victoria) and only marginally increasing in 1 (Durham).
Strange, Debater, that you call tonight's results an increase in support, when the Liberals held Durham and Victoria before the Conservatives, and yet tonight could only manage a 4th place finish in Victoria and 3rd in Durham.
It's that kind of thinking that helped to create the $600 billion debt we're up to right now.
Conservatives 2, NDP 1, Liberals 0.... 'nuff said!
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:20
#298
Durham actually was the bellweather riding, the riding to watch in these by-elections, because of the importance on Ontario in a federal election, and the Trudeau Liberals have suffered another devastating blow in Ontario. They are not quite dead yet, but definitely it is another nail in their coffin.
Right. First chuckle I've had tonight.
There aren't any 'Trudeau Liberals' yet, btw. He's not Leader.
At this point I would say he is more a demi-god than a leader.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:21
#299
Arthur Cramer
Debater, spin it any way you want. you guys should have done better, and you didn't. You need to break through in BC, because Alberta isn't about to go Lib. And you didn't. You know, if you keep it up, all that spinning is going to make you dizzy.
I'm not spinning anything any more than you are. Shouldn't your party have done better tonight?
As I said above, NDP support dropped significantly in VICTORIA, fell to the bottom in CALGARY CENTRE to 3.8% and only marginally increased in DURHAM, despite having a much stronger candidate than in 2011.
In a moment of objectivity on another thread, you admitted yourself when you saw the VICTORIA results that they were not good for the NDP compared to what they should have done tonight. Questions will be asked about Mulcair.
Anyway, all 4 parties will claim a win tomorrow! That's the politics of all this. No one had the perfect result they wanted.
Yep, we should have done better. I am not discounting that. But you guys are supposed to be "Canada's Natural Governing Party". North Report has already explained, and you have already ignored why the Ontario result was so bad. You guys will never break through in Alberta, and unless you can make in roads in BC, you are going no where. And besides, you guys were running on Trudeau's coat tails and it did you no good. Nope, as bad as the results were in some way for the NDP, as others have explained better then I, they were worse for the Libs. Everyone here, except you, knows it.
As I said before, all that spinning is going to make you dizzy. Justin has NO coat tails.
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:22
#300
May hates the NDP. If she got the right offer, she'd cross the floor and sit as a Lib. If the LPC wins government, watch for her to cross the floor and become minister of the environment in a Trudeau government. Like the Libs, she is in it for herself. It has nothing with governing in the interests of the people. Run left, govern right. Nothing will change.
It must be late - I think I'm hallucinating. How can that be right? I thought the Liberals were finished had no chance of ever forming a goverment again? So how could there by a Trudeau government for May to be a part of? 
Anyway, who knows whether either the Liberals or the NDP will form a government. If the vote splits the right way, Harper may win the next election again. In any event, May shouldn't flatter herself and assume she would get any offers from the Liberals - I don't think they're happy with her after tonight's Green results in Calgary Centre.
Good night for now, Arthur. I may check in again in December if there's more news. Have to get back to other things now . . . 
Tue, 2012-11-27 02:22
#301
Oh, they are Justin Trudeau Liberals all right, they just haven't had the coronation yet. Shades of the Paul Martin coronation who was gonna win over 200 seats. How quickly we forget.