Who uh, said this today?

Okay.  But it's not clear what you're opposing, here.

The unfortunate use of "uh" in place of a musical "rest"?  Or the unwillingness of the government of the day to tax internet service on the grounds that it "could be" used to stream some TV show that hasn't paid its "fair share" of Canadian taxes.

Noops wrote:

I'm not opposing anything here.I'm simply pointing out how lucky we are to have such an eloquent Prime Minister.  :)

What this thread is, without any direct links to what exactly he said or any context whatsoever, is trolling. If there's a point that you're trying to make, please let us know and we'll be happy to engage.

I am pretty sure it is more Canadian to say er not uh. What do you think, eh?

You'd think Justin could afford a speech therapist. It's a pretty easy problem to fix, even without one.

Wow, a little bit of political humour at Trudeau's expense has people way angrier than I would have expected, and Pondering isn't even here (yet?). At least kropotkin1951 has a sense of humour.

How is this thread trolling? When did Noops say that Trudeau was stupid, or saying "uh" made someone stupid? Is alan "Donnie Drumpf" smithee really calling someone out for being "petty"? And what IS the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? Answers to these questions and more, right after the break!

For what it's worth, Noops, I, uh, enjoyed the, uh, light-hearted, uh, distraction from the, uh, political debates that, uh, are always so, uh, serious. It's nice to have a chuckle at the, uh, foibles of our "betters."

In case some here want to assume that I'm just being a jerk and trying to get in on making fun of Trudeau, a bit of personal history. I used to say "um" a lot when I paused while speaking. As a straight-A student utterly unaccustomed to academic criticism, a teacher in grade 12 failed a presentation I did, and I'll never forget what he said after class - "even though the content was there, the presentation of the information was very poor because when you say 'um' so often it becomes such a distraction that it becomes hard to focus on anything you're saying except when you're going to say 'um' next. There's nothing wrong with taking a pause, but work on avoiding filling that pause with filler." It's often said that people learn from their failures, not their successes, and for me in this case it couldn't be more true. In hindsight, this is probably related to why I am more quick to be critical of those I respect or want to succeed. If someone I have a low opinion of is making a mistake, I usually just let them keep making the mistake.

Anyway, the point is, Trudeau should understand that rightly or wrongly, his message is less effective when his delivery is less effective. Teasing him about his failure to adequately address the issue is completely fair game and, I would argue, kinder than saying nothing and pretending there is no problem.

If the Prime Minister was writing posts full of spelling mistakes, I'd be commenting on that too.

Cody87 wrote:

 Is alan "Donnie Drumpf" smithee really calling someone out for being "petty"? And what IS the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? Answers to these questions and more, right after the break!problem.

You know wjhat Cody..This will probably get me banned but the 'Donnie Drumpf' shit is very offensive.Incredibly offensive actually.

Go fuck yourself with a dull knife,motherfucker.

Ahem. 

Well, I'll just say that I agree ripping into Trudeau for saying "umm" too much is a little petty, though no moreso than, say, making fun of Harper for waering a tight vest at the Stampede. 

Granted, I can't recall if a lot of people here were jumping on that particular photographic bandwagon. I think maybe it got used to accompany an article or two? 

alan smithee wrote:

This place is not for progressive discussion. It's for petulant pissants who are just part of a club for people who think they are so special and intelligent.

One more time,FUCK YOU,Cody. You'd be eating my fist if you had said that to my face. No fucking around,I'm serious.

Since when is violence that is either carried out, threatened, or implied, progressive?

Smithee wrote:

Associating me with that orange fascist buffon who now leads the world power was a huge insult and personal attack.

I don't think he was calling you "Donnie Drumpf". He was saying that your usage of that epithet to describe Trump was as petty as you were saying the OP was. If you had clicked on the hyperlink, you would have seen it goes to a thread where you used that name against Trump. 

So, basically, you called someone  petty, and Cody replied that, no, you are the petty one. It's a garden-variety tu quoque: not the most elevated form of debate, but certainly well within the bounds of what's considered proper decorum around here. I daresay there are quite a few posters here who have had that particular tactic used against them over the years. 

Why aren't progressive ideas implented by the government? Why can't the NDP form a government? Etc..etc..It's people like you VOD who should take the blame.

The Left is deeply divided,no solidarity at all. So what we're stuck with in Ottawa is as good as it gets.

The Right is united and organized. The Left is one hot mess. Progressive change? It's not happening,don't look for it, the current ruling party is as good as it will ever get. And people like you,VOD that are the problem and  are to blame...dare I say people like you are the cancer that is decaying the Left. In fact there is no Left. Just a bunch of jokers who do nothing but bitch and are WAY too sympathetic to right wing clowns like Chodey.

Keep spinning your wheels. You're going nowhere. Not until we UNITE. And the likes of you make that impossible.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Why can't the NDP form a government? Etc..etc..It's people like you VOD who should take the blame.

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dare I say people like you are the cancer that is decaying the Left.

Really?

The left is on the ropes all over the world, and it's all VOTD's fault because he clarified what he thought some other poster meant?

I wonder if that sort of attitude might also be why the left is in disarray.

Anyway, if you really need closure on this, Meg has let it be known that the best way to alert her to a problem is just by messaging her.

 

You got it wrong. It's preposterous to blame the global sickness of Conservatism on one individual,especially one without any political power.. But I was hinting that people like VOD are to blame for this left wing disaray.

We should be untited. Stop putting each other into groups and sub groups and stop attacking each other. People like C hodey belong on the Breitbart message board and I don't think any of us on the Left shoulfd make anyone on the Right feel comfortable here. Why? Try to have a discussion with someone on a right wing board. You'd be attacked incessantly. And you know that Magoo,at least I'd hope you would.

A right winger takes a swing at me and I'm supposed to accept it? Please.

All asnyone seems to do is argue and belittle each other. You may not realize it but I read enough posts here to know that's the case.

Solidarity...my ass. And as long as that keeps up no political policies will change to the advantage or convenience of the Left.

You think Canada is bad? Look at our neighbours to the South. They are so right wing they are now governed by a fascist dictator and a political party straight out of a horror show. They are lunatics in a 300 000 000 capacity emergency ward at a mental institutuion.

Why is that? Because the Left has been annhilated in that country. And what little is left of it,it's so fractured they will continue to be a war mongering oligarchy for at least the rest of my life...Probably a lot longer than that.

Scuse me if I get offended when someone associates me with Trump. I regret nothing I've said in public about that bastard and his party of fuckin' pricks and nothing that I've said in private that I wouldn't say or post in a public forum because I'd most likely be arrested. I don't care.

But when it comes to caring, the left doesn't give a shit. No unity,no solidarity,no organization and no respect. Hence,welcome to the new machine,mate. I can only hope for revolution one day in the future and who knows how long into it it will happen.

And there has never in the history of man been a revolution without blood and violence. Again.you're smart enough to know that,Magoo.

I don't believe I should be banned. Or shall we suppress the truth. And that's what you get from me,Magoo. Never lied a syllable for all the time I've been here. Even if it gets me in trouble.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Again.you're smart enough to know that,Magoo.

No need to patronize me, Alan.  But this "blood" is just friendly fire.

Cody was only pointing out -- reasonably -- your own pettiness with regard to "Donnie Drumpf".

And VOTD, one degree removed, was only pointing out that Cody was pointing out your need to refer to Trump as "Donnie Drumpf".

If it helps, nobody in this thread has suggested you're like, or that you like, Donald Trump.

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I don't believe I should be banned. Or shall we suppress the truth.

Well, I've no say in the matter.  But if you're banned, or suspended, please at least don't spend the time thinking you were silenced because the Left couldn't accept your terrible truths.  If babble ever expects you to LIKE Donald Trump, I'll leave along with probably everyone else.  This is just a matter of conduct, Alan, and you can't avoid it by saying "Oh, but I only violated the AUP to shut the mouth of some rightie!!".   Fortunately, babble doesn't make such exceptions.

Well,that's reasonable. As for Chodey,he always targets me. He's a provocateur, at least against me. I blew up. Having said that,besides my suggestion that he fuck himself with a utensil,expressing what he'd be in store for if he poked at me in person was simple honesty. I only hope Babble is reasonable and respects my unrelenting blunt yet persistant honesty that I have not waivered from in the 7 years I've been here.

Let the chips fall where they may,I suppose.

Anyway,I said everything I wanted to say. So enough with the thread drift.

alan smithee wrote:

We should be untited. Stop putting each other into groups and sub groups and stop attacking each other.

Follow your own advice. Not for my sake.

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I don't believe I should be banned.

Neither do I.

alan smithee wrote:

Go fuck yourself with a dull knife,motherfucker.

Well, it's not enough to get you banned, but you've earned a 48 hour suspension. Maybe you could use that time to ponder why you unload your anger issues on others.

^ And when you think about it, "uhh" is no different than "well" placed at the beginning of a reply(eg. "Well, I don't know about that"), in that it's more often than not a meaningless interjection, just meant to buy a little time before proceeding with the rest of your statement.

But, probably because it has a more "set" usage(ie. always at the beginning of the statement or clause, rather than randomly inserted), it doesn't attract the same degree of opprobruim as does "uhh".

Well, (sorry, Magoo), the important thing to remember is that saying 'well, 'uhh', 'umm', or dancing around while holding you right ear-lobe with your left hand has nothing at all to do with the value you have as a legislator. You should be judged by the content of your bills.

And as far as that goes, the number of people who could pass the 'umm' test would be a tiny percentage of the population. For most of those it isn't noticed because it isn't recorded for posterity.

Also by the way, saying 'umm' or such-like while speaking with someone has a purpose. That is, people have a tendency to start talking themselves if there is a 'break' in the conversation. If you want to continue on speaking you have to fill up the space with sound. At the same time, 'umm' or 'uhh' allows the listener to absorb what they've been told.

So, contrary to popular belief, those 'space-fillers' do more than allow the speaker time to think, and are a completely normal part of conversation. 

I'll just add that as a musician, I've made many small (and some not so small!!) errors on stage. For the most part they are forgiven because they disappear into the past. It's when you're in the studio, recording your masterpiece that those errors become huge, because you have to listen to them over and over again.

That is not dissimilar to what we're talking about here. If speech wasn't recorded, no one would likely notice those pauses. But recording them, and then playing them over and over again makes them a lot more noticeable.

From a long ago bar washroom wall:

To do is to be - Friedrich Nietzsche

To be is to do - Henri Poincaré

Dooby dooby do - Frank Sinatra

Don't ask me what brought that to memory. May just be a bit too early in the day for me. But yes, we certainly agree on the overall importance of, umm, this, uhh, issue.

Rev Pesky wrote:

From a long ago bar washroom wall:

To do is to be - Friedrich Nietzsche

To be is to do - Henri Poincaré

Dooby dooby do - Frank Sinatra

Don't ask me what brought that to memory. May just be a bit too early in the day for me. But yes, we certainly agree on the overall importance of, umm, this, uhh, issue.

I know that from a Trivial Pursuit question(the Baby Boomer edition, where the questions weren't really about eliciting hard facts, but just an excuse for the writers to demonstrate their knowledge of postwar anecdotes.) "To be is to do" was atrributed to Descartes, and "To do is to be" was attributed to Sartre, if I recall correctly.  (The latter one sort of fit's Sartre's thinking, though I suspect these quotes are all apocryphal). 

6079_Smith_W wrote:

How about Fuddle duddle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXKSGRyZtz8

Or maybe it just shows the difference between lawyers and school teachers.

Seriously? Smearing teachers? And what do YOU do in life.may I ask?

Fair enough. But ro be serious,very briefly,I'd rather our government be made up of teachers,social workers and activists than lawyers and businessmen.

Government is not supposed to be run like a business. I wish more school teachers,social workers and activists become the only candidates for Members of Parliament.

Anyway,I'll take a pill and relax. Carry on.

From voice of the damned:

I know that from a Trivial Pursuit question(the Baby Boomer edition, where the questions weren't really about eliciting hard facts, but just an excuse for the writers to demonstrate their knowledge of postwar anecdotes.) "To be is to do" was atrributed to Descartes, and "To do is to be" was attributed to Sartre, if I recall correctly.  (The latter one sort of fit's Sartre's thinking, though I suspect these quotes are all apocryphal). 

​I wasn't joking when I said I saw it on the wall of a urinal in a hotel bar. That would have been between 45 and 50 years ago in the Chieftain Hotel in Squamish, BC.

Because of that I assumed the named philosophers were immaterial. 

Rev Pesky wrote:

From voice of the damned:

I know that from a Trivial Pursuit question(the Baby Boomer edition, where the questions weren't really about eliciting hard facts, but just an excuse for the writers to demonstrate their knowledge of postwar anecdotes.) "To be is to do" was atrributed to Descartes, and "To do is to be" was attributed to Sartre, if I recall correctly.  (The latter one sort of fit's Sartre's thinking, though I suspect these quotes are all apocryphal). 

​I wasn't joking when I said I saw it on the wall of a urinal in a hotel bar. That would have been between 45 and 50 years ago in the Chieftain Hotel in Squamish, BC.

Because of that I assumed the named philosophers were immaterial. 

Oh, sure. I wasn't meaning to correct you at all. I was just kind of runinating on how the details of the joke had varied over time and place.

And yes, Trivial Pursuit said it was a piece of graffiti as well.