BC Liberals Leadership Race 2018

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Sat, 2017-06-10 12:07

NorthReport

So far we have seen, the very angry with the election results right-wing V Sun, shove Kevin Falcon's name, who Christy Clark defeated for the Liberal leadership, in their lead article on Page 1 the day after their chosen one lost the election.

Now here's another possibility in Jordan Bateman, as his right-wing, screw the workers philosophy, fits right in with the Liberals mantra.

Foes of the B.C. Greens and NDP react to their axis of...

http://www.straight.com/blogra/916491/foes-bc-greens-and-ndp-react-their...

Sat, 2017-06-10 18:07

Mr. Magoo

This leadership race exists solely in your imagination.

@MegB: can you change the title of this thread to something non-fiction?

Sun, 2017-06-11 02:45

NorthReport

Times are a changin'

Let's take a look at the North Vancouver-Seymour results:

Party / Votes '09 / Votes '13 / Cge / Votes '17 / Cge / Total Cge

NDP / 6212 / 8,524 / + 2,312 / 9,808 / + 1,284 / + 3,596

Libs / 13,426 / 13,186 / -240 / 13,194 / +8 / - 232

Grn / 2,116 / 1897 / - 219 / 5,208 / + 3,311 / + 3,092

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Party / % '09 / % '13 / Cge / % '17 / Cge / Total Cge

NDP / 27% / 33% / + 6% / 34% / + 1% / + 7%

Libs / 50% / 51% / + 1% / 46% / - 5% / - 4%

Grn / 9% / 7% / - 2% / 18% / + 11% / + 9%

Regardless of whether or not Kevin Falcon lives in this riding, which he does, if they start campaining immediately the NDP stand a reasonable chance of winning North Vancouver-Seymour in the next BC election. Amongst many things though campaigning includes holding highly publicized give-a-way events in the riding for targeted groups, writing letters to the Editor, using social media, but primarily, regardless of whether or not the candidate has been chosen, going door-knocking as soon and as often as possible between now and the next election date.

Sun, 2017-06-11 17:40

Mr. Magoo

OK, but do you understand there's no Liberal leadership race going on??

Can you separate fantasy from reality, at least here on babble?

Sun, 2017-06-11 18:33

quizzical

oh yes there is magoo. just not in public outside BC.

Sun, 2017-06-11 18:36

Mr. Magoo

So, a "secret" race then?

If you want to say that the Libs are in turmoil following the election, that's fine. But when we say "Leadership race" we're usually referring to a "Leadership race" that can be seen outside of BC too.

Sun, 2017-06-11 21:08

NorthReport

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Liberals must rebuild quickly

But as time passed, discipline turned into rigidity. Iron budget management became an excuse for ignoring other legitimate interests.

And the policy of accepting large corporate donations fed a suspicion that the party was more attached to big business than working-class families.

After 16 years in office, the Liberals appeared increasingly tone-deaf and out of touch. Voters wanted change, and not just in policy, but in style and empathy.

Fairly or not, any such change has to begin with the premier. Christy Clark, for all her strengths, is unavoidably a voice from the past. As long as she remains leader, everything the public has come to dislike about the Liberals lives on.

Then there is the matter of timing. Some in the Liberal caucus might believe there is no hurry. Wait long enough, they might think, and the NDP/Green alliance will self-destruct.

But that would be an error. We have been promised a referendum on electoral reform in October 2018. The Liberals stand to lose if such a reform were made.

Over the past four elections, the party’s share of the vote lagged well behind the NDP/Green total. Had some form of rep by pop been in place, the Liberals would have lost all of those contests.

However, if the party means to dispute the need for change, it must first regain its standing as a government in waiting. That means overhauling its platform.

And it must do this in little more than a year. Time, in other words, is not on the Liberals’ side.

So what might a new platform look like? Certainly, it should continue to emphasize competent management. This is the party’s main claim to govern, and it need not be abandoned.

But in two areas, major changes are needed. First, the Liberals must re-forge a connection with voters on social issues such as child care, support for low-income families and affordable housing.

In the process, several hatchets must be buried, in particular with the teachers’ union, and with the children’s representative. Near-endless warfare on these fronts damaged the Liberals and contributed to their reputation for picking the wrong fights.

Second, a way must be found to articulate a middle ground between protecting the environment, and protecting jobs and the economy.

Tilt too far in the green direction, and you breath life back into the B.C. Conservative party. Fixate on the economy, and you lose support in suburban communities where the environmental movement is strongest. It was here that the Liberals surrendered their majority.

Still, in the end, it all depends on who becomes leader. True, the Liberals have never possessed a particularly strong caucus, and some contenders, such as the outgoing health minister, Terry Lake, retired or lost their seats.

Nevertheless, it is essential that a fresh new face be found. Justin Trudeau’s revival of the federal Liberals comes to mind.

Will any of this happen? To date, Clark has expressed every intention of staying.

Her strength of will is commendable. But if she persists in this view, the Liberals might be consigned to the backbenches for a very long time.

- See more at: http://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-liberals-must-...

http://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-liberals-must-...

Sat, 2017-07-29 14:47

NorthReport

Didn't take long for Falcon via right wing Vancouver Sun to appear

https://www.google.ca/amp/vancouversun.com/news/politics/voters-punished...

Sat, 2017-07-29 01:08

NorthReport

As I was saying.......

But this time if the NDP are smart, the Liberals will not be campaigning like they always have in the past, with much more money than anyone else. All they have to do is, just like their NDP cousins in Alberta, pass retroactive to May 9, legislation that does away with big money in politics.

Sat, 2017-07-29 14:44

(Reply to #9) #10

NorthReport

Say what!

Mr. Magoo wrote:

This leadership race exists solely in your imagination.

@MegB: can you change the title of this thread to something non-fiction?

Sat, 2017-07-29 14:46

#11

NorthReport

Liberals at a crossroads after Christy Clark calls it quits

http://thebreaker.news/miscellany/liberal-crossroads/

Sat, 2017-07-29 15:02

(Reply to #11) #12

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

Say what!

Mr. Magoo wrote:

This leadership race exists solely in your imagination.

@MegB: can you change the title of this thread to something non-fiction?

The title of this thread would be realistic if it was changed to "BC Liberal leadership race which started July 28, 2017," or maybe just "BC Liberal leadership race."

I hear Dianne Watts may be running.

Sat, 2017-07-29 17:25

#13

NorthReport

You guys deserve each other. Spare us.

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Even in resignation, Christy Clark did it her way

http://thebreaker.news/news/clark-quits/

Sat, 2017-07-29 19:29

#14

Mr. Magoo

Quote:
Spare us.

You mean "spare me". You're not an "us".

Why not just slow down a little? Count to a million before saying "we need me to post again two minutes later to say the same thing" or "nothing will clarify my well-thought-out position on this matter better than me posting '!!', and then posting it again!".

We get it. You're mad at stuff and you don't know what to do with that. But geez, slow down.

Sat, 2017-07-29 19:46

#15

JKR

NorthReport, this thread reminds me of that other inaccurately titled thread you started after the BC election about a leadership contest you entitled "BC NDP Leadership Race."

http://rabble.ca/babble/alberta-and-british-columbia/bc-ndp-leadership-r...

NorthReport wrote:

We have now had 16 years of right-wing government in BC, which depending on the vote-counting and sellouts this coming week, could turn into more.

In 2017, the Horgan-led BC NDP increased their popular vote only by a measly 0.15%, yes, that's correct, an increase of less than 1%, after the disasterous Dix-led fiasco in 2013.

The 2017 Horgan-led BC NDP continued the Party theme of "NO", which almost totally ignored proposing decent jobs and construction projects, jobs being the number one issue for winners in almost every election campaign.

It's time for the next BC Leadership race to begin.

So what are some of the names that would be considered possible candidates:

Doug Routley?

Spencer Herbert?

Rob Fleming?

Bowinn Ma?

David Eby?

Sat, 2017-07-29 20:42

#16

Mr. Magoo

Quote:
NorthReport, this thread reminds me of that other inaccurately titled thread you started after the BC election about a leadership contest you entitled "BC NDP Leadership Race."

Hehe.

NorthReport's van of truthiness has no rear-view mirrors, JKR. Don't ask him to look back! We're stuck in 2017, but he's already in 2018!

Sat, 2017-07-29 21:03

(Reply to #16) #17

JKR

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Quote:
NorthReport, this thread reminds me of that other inaccurately titled thread you started after the BC election about a leadership contest you entitled "BC NDP Leadership Race."

Hehe.

NorthReport's van of truthiness has no rear-view mirrors, JKR. Don't ask him to look back! We're stuck in 2017, but he's already in 2018!

NorthReport's truthiness will still seem to be from a different time dimension even if Horgan is still premier in 2028.

Maybe there is something to the theory of a multi-verse?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

Quote:

In Dublin in 1952, Erwin Schrödinger gave a lecture in which he jocularly warned his audience that what he was about to say might "seem lunatic". He said that, when his Nobel equations seemed to describe several different histories, these were "not alternatives, but all really happen simultaneously".

Sun, 2017-07-30 00:24

#18

NorthReport

Here's hoping Wilkinson does throw his hat into the ring.

Watch the NDP government rely on Vision Vancouver tactics to destroy the B.C. Liberal brand

expect we'll hear a nonstop series of these stories over the next several years.

There is no shortage of subjects to explore, including B.C. Hydro deferral accounts, Site C contracts, the financial situation at B.C. Ferries, poor forecasts for electricity demand, misplaced traffic forecasts and underwhelming toll revenue on the Port Mann Bridge, sell-offs of public land, and on and on and on.

No doubt in a few of these instances, the B.C. Liberals were poor financial managers. Projects were launched for dubious reasons to reward financial contributors.

Former advanced education minister Andrew Wilkinson likely won't go unscathed in NDP government reviews of B.C. Liberal policies.

LNG could be case study in incompetence

The former premier certainly missed the mark with her predictions for the LNG industry.

The Christy Clark government also leaned on postsecondary institutions to modify their curricula to train young people to work in this nonexistent industry.

This was bad public policy. It amounted to political interference in the postsecondary sector and likely misled some young people into choosing the wrong career path.

That could be the basis for a report discrediting former advanced education minister Andrew Wilkinson, should he decide to enter the B.C. Liberal leadership race.

In fact, anything that required business smarts on the part of the B.C. Liberals is ripe for being exposed as an example of financial incompetence.

Christy Clark and former cabinet ministers such as Mike de Jong, Rich Coleman, Todd Stone, Mike Bernier, and Wilkinson won't be spared.

Expect these reports to be spaced out to let each financial horror story sink in with media outlets that reach large numbers of right-of-centre voters.

The B.C. Liberals have always marketed themselves as good financial stewards. That brand is about to be eviscerated in the eyes of the public.

http://www.straight.com/news/942461/watch-ndp-government-rely-vision-van...

Sun, 2017-07-30 00:30

#19

NorthReport

http://www.straight.com/news/942281/why-bc-liberals-might-lean-michael-l...

Sun, 2017-07-30 09:12

#20

NorthReport

Pathetic coverage of a political titanic

It was obvious that it was all over for Clark on election nite yet the Liberal sycophants including the author of the following article as well as some here trudged on with their heads buried in the sand

http://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/tears-in-public-relief-in-privat...

Sun, 2017-07-30 18:08

#21

Mr. Magoo

Quote:
It was obvious that it was all over for Clark on election nite yet the Liberal sycophants including the author of the following article as well as some here trudged on with their heads buried in the sand

It's not the least bit surprising to see a party leader resign after defeat.

But correct me if I have my Parliamentary procedure wrong here, but the leadership race doesn't begin until that resignation.

You prematurely started a thread so you could wank. I hope the results of said wank weren't similarly "premature".

Sun, 2017-07-30 22:33

(Reply to #21) #22

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

It was obvious that it was all over for Clark on election nite yet the Liberal sycophants including the author of the following article as well as some here trudged on with their heads buried in the sand

If it was so obvious on election night why did you criticize the BC NDP for losing the election, call for Horgan to resign as leader and for the BC NDP to have a leadership convention?!?

You wrote this on a different thread on May 24, 2017:

NorthReport wrote:

The time for John Horgan to go is now! Let's appoint an interim leader, hold a leadership convention, as we now have another unmitigated election disaster for the BC NDP.

Christy Clark says B.C. Liberals "have a responsibility" to form a government

http://www.straight.com/news/914576/final-election-results-christy-clark...

http://rabble.ca/babble/alberta-and-british-columbia/bc-ndp-leadership-r...

Tue, 2017-08-01 21:35

#23

NorthReport

Let the BC Liberal Civil War Begin

Leadership campaign pitting federal Conservatives against federal Liberals could fracture long-standing BC right-wing coalition.

Clark precipitated the hostilities, first by blowing the May election despite huge political and financial advantages, then by not negotiating a deal with the Green Party to retain power and finally by introducing a Throne Speechthat destroyed the BC Liberal Party brand of fiscal conservatism by promising to implement almost the entire NDP and Green election platforms.

Clark’s decision to spend like a drunken socialist sailor after being more miserly than Ebenezer Scrooge to the poor, disabled and disadvantaged for years reeked of rank hypocrisy and an unbelievably desperate attempt to cling to power.

Clark’s last-gasp shot at remaining premier didn’t convince the public, but it did completely alienate those Liberal MLAs who are fiscally and socially conservative — and who heavily lean towards the federal Conservative Party.

That sets up the coming fierce battle for control of the party between the right-wing coalition’s federal Conservative and Liberal wings.

Expect South Surrey-White Rock MP Dianne Watts to be the main Conservative candidate for BC Liberal leadership, with likely support from hard right MLAs like Rich Coleman, Mary Polak and Mike de Jong.

But former Surrey mayor Watts’ decision to join Harper’s team in the 2015 election means she will have to wear their discredited campaign tactics — like the endorsement from discredited former Toronto mayor Rob Ford and the proposed “barbaric cultural practices hotline” aimed at picking up anti-Muslim votes, an idea Watts publicly defended.

“We can deal with a hypothetical situation but if, at the end of the day, calling an RCMP tip line helps a single child and helps us take care of them, then it’s well worth it,” Watts said in response to widespread criticism of the Conservative idea.

Watts was also condemned over a Conservative flyer with her name and photo on it that claimed in all capital letters: “ISIS URGES JIHADISTS TO ATTACK CANADIANS/ ‘YOU WILL NOT FEEL SECURE IN YOUR BEDROOMS.’”

Liberal candidate Judy Higginbotham said Watts’ leaflet was: “Absolutely fear-mongering. It doesn't address the issues that South Surrey-White Rock have top of mind, and it certainly was meant to provoke and totally inappropriate."

Watts would also alienate federal Liberals in the coalition as well as the Justin Trudeau government and its numerous B.C. cabinet ministers and MPs.

They will be looking for a more liberal leader who will appeal to the urban voters alienated by Clark, but essential for Trudeau’s re-election in 2019.

That leadership candidate might be Todd Stone, Kamloops-South Thompson MLA and former transportation minister. Stone was once a federal Liberal riding association president and recently described himself as “a Paul Martin Liberal or a Joe Clark Conservative” federally.

Neither of those choices will appeal to BC Liberal hardline conservatives who want neither a federal Liberal nor a “red Tory” leader.

Should the Conservatives prevail and Watts win the leadership, federal Liberals and voters alike may simply bail out, preferring to see the NDP government continue over having an ex-Harper Conservative MP as premier.

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Christy Clark Resigns as Leader of the BC Liberal Party

The BC Liberals have tried to stay out of federal politics to avoid opening rifts in their coalition. They noted the backlash when some BC Liberals — including Christy Clark’s then-husband Mark Marissen and some ministerial aides — were involved in taking out Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien in favour of Paul Martin. Marissen — with Clark’s support — also backed ill-fated Liberal leader Stéphane Dion, and headed his successful leadership campaign.

The BC Liberals also have to fear a positive result from a planned referendum on proportional representation, which could split the right-wing coalition into its component parts and encourage the revival of the BC Conservatives.

The right-wing BC Liberal coalition has survived by agreeing to fight federal elections as separate parties while co-operating in provincial elections to keep the hated NDP out of office.

That provincial cooperation would quickly end if all parties were to be elected under a proportional representation system that is designed to give roughly the same percentage of seats as the percentage of votes each party receives.

The challenge now for the BC Liberals is to find the perfect leader who doesn’t irritate either side of the existing coalition — and can also defeat Horgan whenever the next election happens.

The more likely alternative is a Liberal civil war with one side winning, and then losing the support of the other side, before likely losing the election to the NDP. [Tyee]

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/08/01/BC-Liberal-Civil-War/

Tue, 2017-08-01 21:51

#24

Mr. Magoo

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by promising to implement almost the entire NDP and Green election platforms. Clark’s decision to spend like a drunken socialist sailor

Huh. Evidently, "almost the entire NDP and Green election platforms" == "spend[ing] like a drunken socialist sailor"

"Yahr, me mateys! Let's nationalize barbershops!!"

Wed, 2017-08-02 15:01

#25

NorthReport

Here you have it folks -which loser do you want pick as the future leader of the right in BC?

Seven stars aligning for BC Liberal leadership race

http://thebreaker.news/news/liberals-line-up/

Fri, 2017-08-04 10:48

#26

NorthReport

Lies, lies and more lies from our former Premier.

http://thebreaker.news/news/caucus-showdown/

Sat, 2017-08-05 21:29

#27

NorthReport

These Liberal contenders may be very disappointed and could be sitting in opposition for a very long time with their negatively towards the common people

http://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/mike-smyth-the-outsiders-taylor-...

Tue, 2017-08-15 21:02

#28

NorthReport

That Kevin Falcon sure gets around, doesn't he!

http://vancouversun.com/business/commercial-real-estate/town-talk-new-ow...

Tue, 2017-08-15 22:06

(Reply to #28) #29

Ken Burch

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Quote:
by promising to implement almost the entire NDP and Green election platforms. Clark’s decision to spend like a drunken socialist sailor

Huh. Evidently, "almost the entire NDP and Green election platforms" == "spend[ing] like a drunken socialist sailor"

"Yahr, me mateys! Let's nationalize barbershops!!"

Enough already with the barbershops. Today's Left doesn't support anything remotely as unreasonable and absurd as that. I'm not really sure anybody ever did

Tue, 2017-08-15 22:08

#30

Mr. Magoo

Quote:
I'm not really sure anybody ever did

Why would I make it up? Have you Googled it?

Tue, 2017-08-22 10:52

#31

NorthReport

Not a sure thing becoming Liberal Premier as opposed to just the leader of the Liberals anymore, is it!

http://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/mike-smyth-carole-taylor-bows-ou...

Tue, 2017-08-22 22:02

#32

NorthReport

Their plans for these kind of boondoggles and scams is something prospective Liberal leaders could share with the public before the vote, eh!

B.C. Liberals $20.5M ad bill for taxpayers helped fatten party friends’ wallets

http://thebreaker.news/miscellany/fess-up-ad-waste/

Tue, 2017-08-22 22:04

#33

NorthReport

Key Clark Clique bureaucrat vanishes from PavCo patronage gig

They are sly those Liberals, eh!

http://thebreaker.news/news/dyble-disappearance/

Tue, 2017-08-22 22:05

#34

NorthReport

CHRISTY CLARK’S EX-DEPUTY JOHN DYBLE QUIT PAVCO BEFORE HORGAN’S SWEARING-IN (IMAGECHEF)

Wed, 2017-08-23 02:08

#35

NorthReport

Does anybody care?

http://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/mike-smyth-carole-taylor-bows-ou...

Wed, 2017-09-20 18:12

#36

NorthReport

Exclusive: Watts up!

http://thebreaker.news/news/watts-up/

Thu, 2017-09-21 15:11

#37

NorthReport

Peace River MLA Mike Bernier is the third politician to signal he's making a run for leadership of the B.C. Liberals

https://www.straight.com/news/970436/peace-river-mla-mike-bernier-third-...

Thu, 2017-09-21 15:46

(Reply to #37) #38

Ken Burch

NorthReport wrote:

Peace River MLA Mike Bernier is the third politician to signal he's making a run for leadership of the B.C. Liberals

https://www.straight.com/news/970436/peace-river-mla-mike-bernier-third-...

Any distant relation to Maxime?

Thu, 2017-09-21 16:00

#39

NorthReport

Not that I am aware of but.......

Fri, 2017-09-22 00:59

#40

NorthReport

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/mike-bernier-and-...

Fri, 2017-09-22 19:07

#41

NorthReport

BC Liberals suppressed report on suspected money-laundering at B.C.’s biggest casino

For the report, MNP’s Gregory Draper and Hayley Howe interviewed 23 employees and management of both River Rock and BCLC and analyzed data for reportable cash transactions provided by BCLC for Sept. 1, 2013 to Aug. 31, 2015.

MNP said there were 41,187 large cash transactions during the sample period, but only 1,194 suspicious cash transactions and 1,209 BCLC prohibition bans for potential money laundering. MNP found 385 of the large cash transaction reports were missing a mandatory field, such as the address or occupation.

From interviews and observations at the casino, the report said, “it is determined that source of funds and/or source of wealth information is not gathered for high risk, high volume cash players.”

The report said a statistical error found significant over-reporting of non-cash transactions to FINTRAC, the federal Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre. MNP was unable to determine the actual number and amounts of large cash transactions. “Due to the complexity of the reporting issue, it is not possible to segregate and remove duplicate transactions.”

The report explained that BCLC has a top 100 players by volume list and a conditions list. The latter relates to “known associates of high risk players identified by law enforcement to be involved in the provision of large volumes of unsourced bulk cash to VIP patrons.”

COLEMAN (MACKIN)

At the time of the review, 36 patrons on the conditions list also appeared on the top 100 list.

MNP found high turnover in management at River Rock and that an organizational chart from Nov. 26, 2015 said the manager of player relations and director of surveillance did not have a direct reporting relationship to senior managment. A vice-president of compliance position reporting to the president and CEO also did not exist on the chart.

River Rock also employs VIP hosts that cater to high rollers. They report to the marketing manager. They are responsible for managing client experience “which includes managing the amounts of complementary items and services given to players (commonly referred to as player comps), and providing custom gaming experiences with the intention of maximizing patron play.”

No one from River Rock, the flagship property of Great Canadian Gaming, was available for immediate comment on the report.

River Rock hosted a BC Liberal fundraiser starring then-Premier Christy Clark and international trade minister Teresa Wat in November 2016, where the party netted more than $124,000.

Elections BC’s database shows $114,704.65 in donations to the Liberals from Great Canadian. The NDP tabled a bill Sept. 18 to ban corporate and union donations. The bill includes a system of per-vote subsidies and expense reimbursements for parties, coupled with a $1,200-a-year individual cap.

The report was released a week before Paragon Gaming closes its Edgewater Casino at the Plaza of Nations and moves its licence across the street to Parq Vancouver, beside B.C. Place Stadium. The Sept. 29 opening comes on the eve of China’s National Day Golden Week, a time when visits from China to Vancouver naturally increase.

theBreaker exclusively reported how Paragon convinced the BC Liberal government to allow supersized tables to skirt a City of Vancouver-imposed 600 slot machine and 75 table limit.

Edgewater reported more than $5.2 million in $20 bill transactions between March and June 2014, according to CBC.

http://thebreaker.news/news/casino-money-laundering/

Fri, 2017-09-22 21:21

#42

NorthReport

Vancouver MLA Michael Lee signals he's joining the race for leader of the B.C. Liberal Party

https://www.straight.com/news/970906/vancouver-mla-michael-lee-signals-h...

Sun, 2017-09-24 21:12

#43

NorthReport

IntegrityBC‏ @INTEGRITYBC

News flash: The shivering seniors can thank the BCLP for skyrocketing hydro rates http://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/dianne-watts-revved-up-to-fight-and-win-again … #bcpoli #vanpoli #surrey #cdnpoli

Mon, 2017-09-25 21:12

#44

NorthReport

If the Conservative MP backbencher is really that concerned about taxpayers the way she says she is, why isn't she refunding the federal government for the cost of the by-election that will be required to replace her