US - Europe Conflicts Erupt in Run-Up to NATO Summit in Brussels
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/07/11/nato-j11.html
"...Intractable divisions will underlie the tensions that, it seems safe to say, will likely erupt in the coming days at the NATO summit."
And now a word from the friendly fascists at NATO...
https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1016261877758914560
"Why is intelligence crucial to fighting terrorism?"
Trump attacking Germany ahead of meeting with Putin. "Good asset. Very good, asset."
The American Shakedown
https://journal-neo.org/2018/07/10/the-american-shakedown/
"US and transnational capital that control the NATO military machine are not interested in peace unless the world submits to their will and since that will not happen the wars will go on and on and to finance them the American shakedown will continue."
Canadian 'Trainer' Troops to Iraq
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announces that Canada will expand its leadership role by assuming command of a new NATO training and capacity building mission in Iraq..."
The Donald & the Brussels NATO Family Feud: If You Thought G7 Was a Riot...
Germany 'Totally Controlled By Russia': Trump at NATO Meeting (and vid)
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/germany-totally-controlled-by-russia-trump-a...
"...Trump, in a testy exchange with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, took issue with the US protecting Germany as it strikes deals with Russia.
'I have to say, I think it's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia when we're supposed to be guarding against Russia,' Trump said at breakfast with Stoltenberg. 'We're supposed to protect you against Russia but they're paying billions to Russia and I think that's very inappropriate.'
Trump repeatedly described Germany as 'captive to Russia' and urged NATO to look into the issue. Stoltenberg, for his part, credited Trump for spurring NATO nations to spend more on defence, noting that the Europeans and Canada are projected to spend around $266 billion more by 2024.
'We all agree that we have to do more,' he said, describing last year as marking the biggest increase in defence spending across Europe and Canada in a generation. Trump interjected, asking Stoltenberg whey he thought that had happened.
'It's also because of your leadership, because of your clear message, Stoltenberg responded. Trump took credit for the spending, telling the NATO chief that 'because of me they've raised about $40 billion over the last year. So I think the secretary-general likes Trump. He may be the only one, but that's OK with me..."
Deep Divisions Overshadown NATO Summit (and vid)
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/07/12/567850/Deep-divisions-overshad...
"A NATO summit in Brussels has been overshadowed by US President Donald Trump's demand that other member states contribute more [4% GDP] to the alliance financially. The summit came amid anti-NATO protests."
Canada OUT of NATO!
“President Trump upended the NATO summit here Thursday by calling an emergency meeting of leaders and threatening that if all member countries do not immediately increase their defense spending commitments, the United States would go it alone,” the Washington Post reports.
https://politicalwire.com/2018/07/12/trump-threatens-nato-that-hell-do-his-own-thing/
Da. An asset like that deserves "a whole chest full of medals."
Trump-Stoltenberg Tense Talk at NATO Summit (and vid)
"We're protecting everyone...we're going to have to do something about it."
Trump Told G7 Allies 'NATO Is As Bad As NAFTA'
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/trump-told-g7-allies-na...
"US President Donald Trump told fellow western leaders at the recent G-7 summit that the NATO alliance is 'as bad as NAFTA' - a North American trade deal that he has threatened to tear up. The comment, which will increase concerns that the Atlantic allies are headed for a bust up at their summit next month, was reported Thursday."
The broken clock is right twice...
I don't think his reasons for disliking NATO are the same as yours.
You're right. Try #51
The American Shakedown
https://journal-neo.org/2018/07/10/the-american-shakedown/
"US and transnational capital that control the NATO military machine are not interested in peace unless the world submits to their will and since that will not happen the wars will go on and on and to finance them the American shakedown will continue."
Canadian 'Trainer' Troops to Iraq
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announces that Canada will expand its leadership role by assuming command of a new NATO training and capacity building mission in Iraq..."
Disagree and agree.
I think the US/NATO perpetual war machine has no more new candidates to continue, so that's a dead end.
But Justin kissing the US dollar's ass? The sky's the limit!
Canadian 'Trainer' Troops to Iraq
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announces that Canada will expand its leadership role by assuming command of a new NATO training and capacity building mission in Iraq..."
But we're peacekeepers not soldiers.
Not only should we leave NATO but NORAD and the 5 eyes community as well!
Not only should we leave NATO but NORAD and the 5 eyes community as well!
We could totally do that. But don't throw out your "Support Our Troops" button right away! It'll come in handy at the first sign that the U.S., or any other nation, could threaten our sovereignty in the Arctic or any similar.
Button? I think you mean yellow ribbon magnets. With an S.
We should destroy the militaries guns and give them shovels for the winter and more sandbags in the summer.
Trump's False Arguments Will Not Sell Well In Europe
http://moonofalabama.org/2018/07/trumps-false-arguments-will-not-sell-we...
"Donald Trump, the 'America First' salesman came to Brussels today to demand more tribute [4% GDP] to the empire. Trump, Putin's puppet according to the 'resistance', used the Russian bogeyman to set the scene..."
Fits Well...
Yep, a whole chest full of medals.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Acosta/status/1017526374469439488/photo/1
The Trump and Putin Show (and vid)
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/432986-trump-putin-summit-analysis/
"Donald Trump was like a bull in a china shop as he deployed his style and negotiation skills at this year's annual NATO gathering. He was not shy to say how he feels about the alliance..."
The Trump and Putin Show (and vid)
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/432986-trump-putin-summit-analysis/
"Donald Trump was like a bull in a china shop as he deployed his style and negotiation skills at this year's annual NATO gathering. He was not shy to say how he feels about the alliance..."
Well, I watched the first 10 minutes of this program. I had seen this show a few times several years ago, and it struck me then as a useful discussion program, with interesting, knowledgable people participating. This was a great contrast to that. All three guests were right wing loons, with the least crazy one being a member of racist zombie Ron Paul's organization. They all seemed to agree that Trump has preternatural deal making powers. Sheesh. Eventually I just had to quit listening to the swill.
Here's some good old Canucklhead CBC swill...
Trump Says NATO Allies Like Canada Are 'Delinquent' On Military Spending. Is He Wrong?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-nato-allies-delinquent-military-sp...
"Yes, I think Trump has a point in that defence expenditure is a burden predominantly carried by the US. The US carries the load,'Colin Robertson, a former top diplomat and the vice-president of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, said in an interview with CBC News. We've got to do more. We can't expect the American public to pay all the costs of this alliance.' NATO is the central pillar of Euro-Atlantic defence and the cornerstone of Canadian defence and security policy - which is why Canada should contribute more, Robertson said..."
Here’s an idea I’m going to throw out there.
Russian military tech/hardware is surprisingly advanced. So much so that I believe it may have stailmated NATO.
And the leader of western military tech, the US wants to get back ahead.
So nagging NATO nations to double or triple military spending, when the US will be supplying those bombs and drones does add up!
Here’s an idea I’m going to throw out there.
Russian military tech/hardware is surprisingly advanced. So much so that I believe it may have stailmated NATO.
And the leader of western military tech, the US wants to get back ahead.
So nagging NATO nations to double or triple military spending, when the US will be supplying those bombs and drones does add up!
I think the first part of your speculation, about Russian military tech being more advanced than its U.S. counterpart is mistaken. The U.S. throws so much money at military tech that they are always way ahead of the pack.
The second part, that the real reason for Trump hectoring NATO leaders to increase military spending is to benefit U.S. weapons manufacturers, is obviously true.
MM well said.
Government is mainly concerned about who gets the next government contract. The rest is usually just a little show for the fans.
@MM
sorry but I wasn’t implying that Russian military tech is ahead of US, but near equal.
Keeping in mind that Syria has knocked a lot of US Israel military tech down using less than the most advanced Russian military tech.
But here’s the thing, we will never really know unless these war machines are tested.
Heres another guess, the US may actually be hyping how advanced Russian military tech really is to scare its allies into buying from the US.
Either way, military spending is a huge stupid waste of money!!!
And NATO is only really a huge advertisement for military spending
@MM
sorry but I wasn’t implying that Russian military tech is ahead of US, but near equal.
Keeping in mind that Syria has knocked a lot of US Israel military tech down using less than the most advanced Russian military tech.
But here’s the thing, we will never really know unless these war machines are tested.
Heres another guess, the US may actually be hyping how advanced Russian military tech really is to scare its allies into buying from the US.
Either way, military spending is a huge stupid waste of money!!!
And NATO is only really a huge advertisement for military spending
The Russian military is surprisingly well equipped but they don't advertise it. There's some Russian units, often conscripts, who have shit for equipment, but Russia realised how useless conscripts are and how important it is to have a modern well equipped well lead military.
Some of their weapons and vehicles are seriously impressive. Their soldiers are sporting some seriously effective body armor and equipment.
They've gone out of their way to deploy with shitty looking equipment to throw off observers and switch to better stuff when conducting business.
Three soldiers at a joint military exercise -- one from the U.S., one from the UK and one from Russia -- are sitting around discussing their gear and provisions. Who has the lightest boots, who has the best body armour and so on, until the talk turns to rations.
"In the Russian Army, each man is given 2300 calories per day to live and fight on!", said the Russian soldier.
"In Her Majesty's military, each soldier is fed 3500 calories per day in the field, and even more on base", claimed the Brit.
"A U.S. soldier gets 4800 calories, even in the field", said the Yank.
"Nonsense!", exclaimed the Russian. "No man could eat that much cabbage!"
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Escobar: Trump, NATO and 'Russian Aggression'
http://atimes.com/article/trump-nato-and-russian-aggression/
"Hysteria is at a fever pitch. After the NATO summit in Brussels, the definitive Decline of the West has been declared a done deal as President Trump gets ready to meet President Putin in Helsinki..."
Perspective from China CCTV4 (a little off topic)
Russian military aircraft violated ROK airspace on 4 separate occasions today. Now ROK isn’t in NATO but Chinese media is contemplating if these incursions will have an impact on the Putin Trump meeting.
Also India is continuing to seek purchasing Russian s400 missile defence systems. Now from my understanding India purchases of Russian military tech is the largest such exchange in the world. And this is really pissing off the US!
Chinese media is suggesting that India is working with Russia in developing improving these weapons systems and that this can help explain why Russian systems are so advanced.
Also this collaboration is another huge irritation to the US. The US has no willing partnership to counter the Russian Indian alliance. NATO at this time appears to be rescinding, less the US. This could explain the awkward G7 and NATO meetings?
https://www.rt.com/news/429084-russian-s400-system-highlights/
CrossTalk Bullhorns: 'Highly Likely'
"Consider the recent NATO meeting, Trump's visit to the UK, so-called 'Russiagate' heats up and the Trump-Putin summit. We discuss it all here..."
Estonia Stops Aerial Drill With NATO After Missile 'Misfired'
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/08/10/570752/Estonia-Spain-NATO-Dril...
"Estonia has halted a NATO aerial drill in the Baltic country bordering Russia after a missile was accidentally shot by a Spanish fighter jet this week. Estonia's Defense Minister Juri Luik has 'suspended all NATO exercises in the Estonian air space.' Prime Minister Juri Ratas described the incident as 'horrible' and 'regrettable'. 'I told the secretary general of NATO that it is a serious incident and we are understandably concerned..."
Thanks for posting the link NDPP!
I had briefly seen/heard this missile so called misfire incident on CCTV4 China news. The Chinese government gave it a more sinister outlook, or opened the door to such a possibility.
And now with the new US sanctions rallied against the NATO strategic partner Turkey, it looks like that there's a good possibility that NATO is forming some serious cracks in its foundation!
Keep us posted posted brother/sister!
NATO is a Public Protection Racket
https://blackagendareport.com/nato-public-protection-racket
"NATO is really a kind of public protection racket. I mean there's no enemy that NATO's supposedly defending anybody against. So what is it actually doing? It has to create its own crises to justify its existence. So it triggers crises and then claims to be the solution..."
Amid NATO Threats, Russia Launches Largest War Games Since WWII
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/09/01/russ-s01.html
"This September, hundreds of thousands of Russian, NATO and Chinese troops are being mobilized in dueling war games across Eurasia. These exercises, the largest in Russia and Europe since the end of WWII come amid an escalation of military conflicts and tensions directly posing the danger of a clash between nuclear-armed powers."
What?! US-NATO Envoy Threatens Military Attack Against Russia?!
https://twitter.com/BrianBeckerDC/status/1047336279183118336
"Brian Becker is joined by Mark Sleboda, an international relations and security analyst to discuss comments by Kay Bailey Hutchison, the US envoy to NATO, threatening to preemptively 'take out' Russian missiles."
I really wish there were some way to avoid overstated titles, and I'm as anti-NATO as much as anyone else on the left.
I really wish there were some way to avoid overstated titles, and I'm as anti-NATO as much as anyone else on the left.
Just for fun, go up and read the first few comments on this 10-year-old thread.
And don't you mean the "dwindling, deluded and deplorable water-carriers of Canada's Zionist Left"?
Why is Justin Trudeau's Military Attache in Ukraine Meeting With A Nazi Militia?
https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1014595002838798338
Canada Must Counter The Glorification of NAZIs in European NATO Countries
https://www.bnaibrith.ca/canada_must_counter_the_glorification_of_nazis_...
NATO-Nazi Medals For AZOV
I have better things to do, such as clip my toenails, and far more important, discuss how we can get an actual mass anti-NATO and antiwar movement off the ground again.
NATO is not only horrible, aggressive and costly, it no longer serves the purpose it was supposedly designed for, as the treaty was formed (once again, supposedly) to counter the supposed threat from the Soviet union and its satellite states. There is no longer a Soviet Union. For this reason humour could be a component of a modern anti-NATO (and antiwar, anti-imperialist) movement.
NATO is bad enough, but if it were actually Nazi, wouldn't it have murdered all the remaining Jews and Roma in central and eastern Europe and a high percentage of the Slavic peoples, enslaving the rest? (A horrific thought).
My point is that the first reaction (from al'Q) was pretty much the same as yours:
Thoughtless comments such as this severely diminish the meaning of the word "Nazi." Try to criticise that which you oppose without reducing your argument to absurdity before you even start.
Of course what has changed in the last 10 years is the propaganda machine that already used "Nazis" as a selective foil against everything it disagrees with has gone into overdrive.
Whatever. I'm with Fidel...
Fidel Castro Compares NATO to Nazi Germany
https://www.businessinsider.com/fidel-castro-nato-nazis-2014-9
Canada Must Counter The Glorification of NAZIs in European NATO Countries
https://www.bnaibrith.ca/canada_must_counter_the_glorification_of_nazis_...
Question: has the Liberal Party of Canada signed "friendship" agreements with political parties founded by Nazis? Such as, say, the Freedom Party of Austria?
NATO is a fascist organization. To call it Nazi brings in fascism's genocidal cousin and merely clouds the issue. The financial oligarchs are in control in all NATO countries and the laws our "democratic" governments pass show it. NATO is one of the vilest imperial regimes in the history of humanity because it has no rule of law only its own arbitrary and self interested decisions that it imposes with the arms all us NATO citizens provide.
The Iraq war broke the back of the anti-war movement in this part of the world. We went from tens of thousands in the streets protesting to a few hundred at best. Given that mobilizing millions of people around the globe, especially in NATO countries had absolutely no effect caused people to move on to other causes that are more personal.
The Iraq war broke the back of the anti-war movement in this part of the world. We went from tens of thousands in the streets protesting to a few hundred at best. Given that mobilizing millions of people around the globe, especially in NATO countries had absolutely no effect caused people to move on to other causes that are more personal.
2003 saw the biggest demonstrations in Canada's history. They had a very direct effect. They ensured that Chrétien, who had sent Canadian troops to Afghanistan, would not do so in Iraq.
La plus grosse manifestation de l'histoire du Québec
Sadly, the abject betrayal of the NDP and their ilk didn't permit similar mobilizations in the case of Libya. History will judge them harshly for their complicity in mass murder and imperialist aggression.
Canada's Dream Team Does NATO
"July 17, 2018, Brussels: [Self] Described as Canada's 'Dream Team', Justin Trudeau, Chrystia Freeland and Harjit Singh Sajjan spoke about shared global values and the rules based international order* at the 'NATO Engages Summit'.
*Previously 'The New World Order'
US & Allies Hit Russia With Coordinated Avalanche of Hacking Accusations. Here are the Allegations (and vid)
"Russia on Thursday faced a coordinated barrage of accusations from the US and its NATO allies, that claimed Moscow was behind a slew of recent malicious cyber attacks around the world. Not wanting to feel left out, Canada also joined the chorus of accusations on Thursday, saying that their intelligence agencies agreed with the assessments from the other NATO countries and that Russia has been acting 'outside the bounds of appropriate behavior.'
The statement from Global Affairs Canada said that some of the alleged Russian attacks 'have a connection with Canada and cited a 2016 attack on the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport which had its system compromised by a malware attack. Canada said it assessed with 'high confidence' that GRU was responsible for the attack. Russia has dismissed the allegations as a coordinated media attack timed to coincide with a NATO meeting on cyber-warfare."
US Media: 'Bulletin Board' For Intel Agencies
"Anya Parampil speaks with former member of the UK Parliament, George Galloway and former US diplomat Jim Jatras about the slurry of hacking allegations NATO countries lobbed at Russia on Thursday. The UK, US and Canada all came forward to accuse Russia of hacking multiple agencies..."
Goodale 'Very Concerned' By Russian Spies' Cyber Attack on Canada, Allies
"Seven Russian intelligence officers have been charged following a multi-jurisdictional investigation into 'malicious' cyber activity...The minister sought to reassure Canadians that Canada's security agencies are working to protect national security, including a new national cyber security strategy.
Global Affairs Canada [Chrystia Freeland] said these incidents 'underscore the Russian government's disregard for the rules-based international order international law and established norms. Speaking to reporters in the House of Commons foyer on Thursday, the foreign affairs parliamentary secretary said additional sanctions on Russia are possible and could be announced in a matter of days..."
Coordinated NATO provocation.
How the US Runs Public Relations Campaigns - Trump Style - Against Russia & China
"Yesterday, several NATO countries ran a concerted propaganda campaign against Russia. The context for it was a NATO summit in which the US presses for an intensified cyberwar against NATO's preferred enemy. On the same day another coordinated campaign targeted China.
The anti-Russia campaign came just in time for yesterday's NATO Defense Ministers meeting at which the US offered to use its malicious cyber tools under NATO disguise. If the European NATO allies under pressure of the propaganda onslaught, agree to that, the obvious results will be more US control over its allies' networks and citizens as well as more threats against Russia..."
NATO To Deploy 45,000 Troops Near Russian Border, Calling it 'Defensive'
"Amid ceaseless accusations of Russian aggression, NATO will deploy up to 45,000 troops in Northern Europe in what will be the alliance's largest 'defensive' exercise since the end of the Cold War..."
Omidyar's Intercept Teams Up With War Propaganda Firm Bellingcat
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1049524168021209088
"The Intercept's ongoing collaboration with the US & NATO backed Intel dump Bellingcat is a clear example of the national security state co-opting adversarial journalism to insidiously advance its agenda and insulate itself from critical media scrutiny..."
Debate: Unresolved US National Security
Liberals vs Neocons *
"NATO is no longer fit for the purpose, The Russian threat is overblown, The Iran threat."
* I'm guessing most babblers will tend to align with the neocon position especially on NATO/Russia.
Battle For The Arctic: NATO's Trident Juncture Aims To Demonstrate Its Dominance
"The Arctic is becoming an arena for a fierce competition to control transportation routes and natural resources of global importance. The upcoming Trident Juncture exercise is NATO's attempt tlo demonstrate dominance in the region. The upcoming exercise will be the largest of its kind since 1991. It will involve 50,000 troops, 150 aircraft, 60 vessels and over 10,000 vehicles..."
Now you know why Trump and his NATO-Nazi Stoltenberg have put the squeeze on all his NATO vassals like Trudeau to cough up more of the people's money better spent on the people's needs. Instead, 'full spectrum dominance' and dangerous confrontation imperils the world more than ever before. Canada Out Of NATO!
Kropotkin wrote
NATO is a fascist organization. To call it Nazi brings in fascism's genocidal cousin and merely clouds the issue.
I have to disagree! NDPP properly titled this thread. NATO are nazis! nazis made enemies out of people who never were a threat. They did this to deflect criticism from themselves, create a false threat requiring extreme violent counter measures resulting in the destruction of people’s lives. Sound familiar?
So tell me where are NATO's death camps being operated out of? How many thousands a day are they able to process through their killing machine. The real Nazi's were very efficient how does NATO compare?
