Discarding Shame

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Discarding Shame

It is no secret that the 1st world is immoral in it's treatment of the rest of the world but never has it been so brazen and shameless.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/scrapping-15b-arms-deal-would-barely-hur...

But Ottawa has been wary to put the arms deal on the chopping block. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said that backing out of the deal would mean some $1 billion of financial penalties. It would also cost thousands of manufacturing jobs in Southwestern Ontario, where a plant manufactures the light-amoured vehicles, or LAVs.

Even if Ottawa yanked the deal, Saudi Arabia could easily take their business elsewhere, Fadden said.

“They can go and pick up these LAVs anywhere they want,” said Fadden, who worked as National Security Advisor under Trudeau and Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

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https://www.vox.com/2018/10/17/17990268/pat-robertson-khashoggi-saudi-ar...

“For those who are screaming blood for the Saudis — look, these people are key allies,” Robertson said. While he called the faith of the Wahabists — the hardline Islamist sect to which the Saudi Royal Family belongs — “obnoxious,” he urged viewers to remember that “we’ve got an arms deal that everybody wanted a piece of…it’ll be a lot of jobs, a lot of money come to our coffers. It’s not something you want to blow up willy-nilly.”

If we don't sell arms to the Saudis someone else will.

This is the logic that led to people looting at the Vancouver riots. They saw stores and saw other people taking stuff so decided they might as well too because if they didn't take stuff someone else would.

We need to back out of the arms industry. Canadian jobs shouldn't rest on selling arms to repressive regimes. In terms of population and location in the world Canada needs minimal arms. We don't need to manufacture our own arms. Time to transition.

If we knowingly sell the arms we are complicit in the crime.

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

It is no secret that the 1st world is immoral in it's treatment of the rest of the world but never has it been so brazen and shameless.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/scrapping-15b-arms-deal-would-barely-hur...

But Ottawa has been wary to put the arms deal on the chopping block. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said that backing out of the deal would mean some $1 billion of financial penalties. It would also cost thousands of manufacturing jobs in Southwestern Ontario, where a plant manufactures the light-amoured vehicles, or LAVs.

Even if Ottawa yanked the deal, Saudi Arabia could easily take their business elsewhere, Fadden said.

“They can go and pick up these LAVs anywhere they want,” said Fadden, who worked as National Security Advisor under Trudeau and Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Next

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/17/17990268/pat-robertson-khashoggi-saudi-ar...

“For those who are screaming blood for the Saudis — look, these people are key allies,” Robertson said. While he called the faith of the Wahabists — the hardline Islamist sect to which the Saudi Royal Family belongs — “obnoxious,” he urged viewers to remember that “we’ve got an arms deal that everybody wanted a piece of…it’ll be a lot of jobs, a lot of money come to our coffers. It’s not something you want to blow up willy-nilly.”

If we don't sell arms to the Saudis someone else will.

This is the logic that led to people looting at the Vancouver riots. They saw stores and saw other people taking stuff so decided they might as well too because if they didn't take stuff someone else would.

We need to back out of the arms industry. Canadian jobs shouldn't rest on selling arms to repressive regimes. In terms of population and location in the world Canada needs minimal arms. We don't need to manufacture our own arms. Time to transition.

If we knowingly sell the arms we are complicit in the crime.

I think the logic here is sound. The excuse you reference is a rationalization that only works because people want it to.

Politically the reality is that the money and jobs are more important.

Of course the issue that breaking the contract is too costly also raises the point about making contracts like this with countries like that.