Hong Kong

Thank you Canadian ICM for finally hinting apologetically (kind off),  admitting that people aren't so fucking stupid to all get so worked up over a bill that will never have any afect on them for their entire lives!

I was on this forum in the "Demonization of China" thread suggesting that the protestors in Hong Kong were pissed at other things. But Timebandit wouldn't have any of that! It somehow had to be all about the evil communist Beijing.

Kudos to NDPP for keeping his eye on the ball and trusting the ICM is full of shit anti communist propaganda!

Anyways, as far as I'm aware, Hong Kongers can now more easily immigrate into China. Seaking opportunities there where housing is more affordable. But not according to the western ICM, Beijing is bad evil and wants to destroy freedom!

Also with the new bridges connecting Hong Kong Macau and Zhuhai, Hong Kongers can live and commute more easily in ShenZhen and elsewhere practically in Guandong.

"Just as the US admitted shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring' began spreading chaos across the Middle East that it had fully funded, trained and equipped both mob leaders and heavily armed terrorists years in advance, it is now admitted that the US State Department through a myriad of organizations and NGOs is behind the so-called 'Occupy Central' protests in Hong Kong.

The regressive agenda of 'Occupy Central's' US-backed leadership, and their shameless exploitation of the good intentions of the many young people ensnared by their gimmicks, poses a threat in reality every bit as dangerous as the 'threat' they claim Beijing poses to the island of Hong Kong and its people. Hopefully the people of China, and the many people around the world looking on as 'Occupy Central' unfolds, will realize this foreign-driven gambit and will stop it before it extracts the heavy toll it has on nations that have fallen victim to it before..."

US Now Admits it is Funding 'Occupy Central' (2014)

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2014/10/us-now-admits-it-is-funding-oc...

The prospects are dismal. Too many swallow whatever the msm says hook, line and sinker on this and other issues of critical concern. The problems facing us are immense yet a dumbing down/propaganda system ensures compliance, cooption and confusion.  Our politicians, all sides, are a joke which we continue to allow to be played upon us over and over again. We pretend things are other than what they really are.  'Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold.'

Hong Kong 'Peaceful Protesters'

https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/status/1150837838893801475

"Peaceful protesters' in UK...using CIA playbook to manipulate police into using weapons. Then, like in Syria and Ukraine, corporate media would publish photos of government forces holding guns. Against 'unarmed protesters'."

Hong Kong Protests Over Extradition Bill Funded By CIA...

https://t.co/pgn2ORDjxz

"Aims at recolonising the island..."

NorthReport wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/19/taiwan-pledges-help-for-hong-kong-protesters-seeking-sanctuary

More than 30 Hongkongers who fear prosecution for their involvement in the ransacking of the finance hub’s legislature on 1 July have arrived in Taiwan to seek shelter, Taiwan’s Apple Daily said, citing unnamed sources.

The Guradian sure does the imperial spin and whitewash well on its stories.  Note that they have not actually been charged but given the videos they know they are going to proven guilty if charged. I can well imagine the fine press  protestors in Toronto would get when they ransacked Queen's Park because of Ford's outrageous legislation on many fronts.

I thought I would post a little more history of the UK colonial "System" that One Country Two Systems embodies and the CPC agreed to abide by. The British court system and legal regime for financial transactions was the primary focus of the Two Systems not political rights. That is because the citizens of Hong Kong never had any political rights under the London Home Office rule especially the right to declare themselves independent of Britain. The elected local government under Beijing control has much the same rights as it did under the British, the right to control municipal functions of government. That is what was handed over as a system in 1996.

As for the right of the citizens of Hong Kong to use either peaceful or violent protests to gain independence from their white colonial masters, history shows they were non existent. This is from 1966 when even spontaneous, home grown protests were dealt with severely and led to a lot of resentment against the colonial government.

Some 300 people were brought before the courts, and 258 people received sentences of up to two years' imprisonment. The riots began to die down, and by 10 April the curfew was lifted.[3] The fare increase was approved on 26 April. Damage caused was estimated to be no less than HK$20 million.

After the riot, the colonial government of David Trench set up the Kowloon Disturbances Commission of Inquiry, presided over by Justice Michael Hogan, aimed at identifying the cause, in particular, the social elements that underlay the outbreak of violence. The inquiry report cited one of the main reasons was the general lack of a sense of belonging to society of young people, general insecurity and distrust of the government among grass-roots; all of this was exacerbated by economic recession, unemployment and a housing shortage.[4] The inquiry recommended the Trench government to create the function of district officers (民政事務專員) to improve governance by facilitating communication between the government and the local public.[4] The findings were however derided as "a farce" by Elsie Elliot.[5]

Lo Kei was arrested after the event, allegedly for theft. In January 1967, he was found hanged in an apartment in Ngau Tau Kok. Officially, his death was recorded as a suicide, but Elliot and So challenged the verdict. So, and a few others, staged a protest in Mong Kok until April when So was arrested and sentenced to Castle Peak Psychiatric Hospital for 14 days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Hong_Kong_riots

The British when faced with the CPC agitating for the overthrow of their government reacted much the same way as the current colonial government does to "democracy" rioters who are spurred on by the US and UK. In 1967 the CPC tried to use that mass anger from '66 to overthrow the British colonial government. The British responded to serious violence in '67, instigated by the CPC, with state violence in return. Beijing or London as the colonial home office seems to make no difference to the aspirations of Hong Kong'ers.

By the time the rioting subsided at the end of the year, 51 people had been killed, of whom at least 22 were killed by the police, and 15 died in bomb attacks, with 832 people sustaining injuries, while 4979 people were arrested and 1936 convicted.[9] Millions of dollars in property damage resulted from the rioting, far in excess of that reported during the 1956 riot.[26] Confidence in the colony's future declined among some sections of Hong Kong's populace, and many residents sold their properties and migrated overseas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Hong_Kong_riots#Casualties

I am a lawyer so I tend to look at countries from that perspective. I think that theoretically people should have the right to independence but that is not the norm globally. One needs look no farther than our neighbour to the south to see that many federations are indivisible and that armed resistance will be met with a civil war.

In Canada we allow people to agitate for separation but we do not allow them to bomb mailboxes let alone storm the National Assembly and trash the place. So when you discuss Hong Kong and lump peaceful demonstrators in with criminal gangs of foreign backed rioters you lose me. Setting police officers on fire is also not allowed for independence advocates in Canada. As a retired labour lawyer I am extremely familiar with the very real and tightly controlled limitations on protest and other rights, like the right to strike, in our system.

I refuse to demand that a foreign government have perfect laws and vilify them if they don't. Those are British laws but our Canadian ones are very similar. The other thing you have to remember that from the '20's on communist parties were all banned and people were subject to jail for advocating the overthrow of the colonial government.

I wish I lived in a utopian world but I don't. Since I am a man of peace I refuse to amplify the war drums by vilifying China for doing what Canada, Britain and the EU do.

I don't understand why you support the right of some people in Hong Kong to engage in violence to further their political views. I consider that a crime in Canada and oppose it vehemently. The truck convoy is fine but if it were to start ramming police cars or trying to storm the House of Commons our police services would arrest them. Do you not think that is a good thing?

Here's an apt New Year's message from a Chinese journalist to Western journalists:

https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1477187845240475650