Unelected people are running our government? What the fuck does that mean? What are you talking about?
Mr Butt's comes to mind.
Still thinking of voting liberal? You're probably a racist
Tue, 2019-09-24 16:33
#52
Tue, 2019-09-24 16:59
#53
The firing an FN woman and ethical violantions are strawmen-It would be difficult if not impossible for Scheer to replicate the firing example with an MP because, AFAIK, there are no longer any FN women sitting as Con MPs and none in any significant positions with the party bureaucracy-if somebody knows better than I on that, please post and I'll correct) and it's much harder for an opposition leader to be busted for ethical violations than it is for a PM. And images were posted of one of his candidates in B.C. hosting a party in which numerous people were in blackface(it was a Dutch Christmas thing, and they were playing the "Black Pete" character).
Comparing Trudeaus behaviors, and fuck ups, to Scheer, is a false equivalence. Different ballpark all together. Maybe Scheer would have appointed an FN woman to attorney general, maybe not. He didn't pressure one to bail out a shady company and stop them from facing justice, Trudeau did.
Plus, the Cons were the party which started the persecution of FN people in Canada(though it was a PC prime minister, John Diefenbaker-someone who'd be considered far too left-wing to lead the Con party today, who began to undo it by extending the franchise to FN people).
How far back to we extend the sins of the fathers so to speak? The Liberals got us involved in a 12 year invasion in Afghanistan. 158 dead soldiers, 7 dead Canadian civilians, 1800 wounded soldiers. $18 billion dollars or more.
Is Trudeau and Trudeaus Liberals responsible or accountable for that? I don't personally think so. Conservatives accountable for what happened to FN people in Canada? I think CANADA is responsible for that one but I digress.
Present day Liberals made a bunch of promises. They failed to deliever on a lot of them and shit the bed quite a few times along the way - often it was Trudeau himself doing the bed shitting.
And it as pro-PC newspapers who ran disgustingly racist cartoons about Len Marchand, the first acknowledged FN MP and cabinet minister, supposedly sitting at his desk in his ministerial office in braids and buckskins.
Governments aren't accountable for what pro/anti news papers do or say.
And the Cons were, among other things, the anti-Catholic, largely anti-Celtic, anti-immigration from anywhere but the British Isles and Northern Europe party for most of their early history as well, in addition to their attempts to eradicate FN culture.
Once upon a time I visited a village who absolutely hated the neighbouring village. They'd murder them if they could. Why? Because 600 years ago people from that village attacked and murdered people in the first village. At some point you need to let go of the past. Liberals and Conservatives from 50 or 100 years ago aren't the same ones today.
Tue, 2019-09-24 18:04
#54
And no one likes services being cut but honestly there comes a point when governments run out of money and can't keep borrowing it. Shitty decisions have to be made to balance the budget. I don't like it anymore than anyone else but that's what happens when the government spends money willy nilly. We're pretty good at giving money away and bragging about it on Twitter.
Canada is no where near running out of money or space for taxation. We don't need to balance the budget. The important number is GDP to debt ratio and even that doesn't justify stupid short term decisions based on 4 year electoral goals. Public education is an investment not an expense because a country's future depends on a well-educated populace. Health care is also an investment. High value businesses choose areas based on education, health, public infrastructure, and livability in general. Quality of life is better for everyone when inequality is lessened.
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr....... Taxes are what we pay for civilized society … https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/04/13/taxes-civilize/
Also said many other ways. There are aspects of life better paid for collectively because it is cheaper and provides widespread benefit to society in general. For example, we should have free public transit at the very least in all down town cores where air quality is regularly tested for smog warnings. The numbers are in. It would save money in health care and infrastructure and make living in the city much more comfortable and safer for pedestrians and cyclists. It would contribute to meeting our carbon reduction targets.
Low income, not just affordable, housing has to be taken on federally and working with the municipalities directly. In particular co-op housing needs to be actively promoted. Housing for problamatic citizens needs to be developed. It is cheaper than funneling them through the justice and health care systems.
The oil industry isn't going away but there is no need to triple it. I think any new pipelines will eventually become stranded assets that the public has to pay to remove just like dead wells. We should be leading a high speed transition not doubling down on fossil fuels in a rush to sell as much as we can before the market tanks.
Tue, 2019-09-24 18:11
#55
. I see him as somewhat clueless and obviously theatrical. He acts as chairman of the board not CEO as PM. Unelected people are running the government. It is a sad state of affairs that we have so little to choose from on the national stage. Whatever his flaws Singh is certainly the most intellectually qualified to be PM out of the lot.
Last election you were fawning all over Trudeau... After this election?....Gush for the Con leader? It seems to be the pattern.
Unelected people are running our government? What the fuck does that mean? What are you talking about?
While I was frequently accused of it I never fawned over Trudeau only said he was the best of a bad bunch and I was right.
Singh is not a Con. He's the leader of the NDP.
As Paladin mentioned, Butts comes to mind as does Wernick who was the top civil servant for decades under both Conservative and Liberal governments.
Furthermore before even being elected Trudeau stated that he saw himself as a retail politician and the job of PM as chairman of the board not CEO.You only have to look at his educational background to know that he would be following the advice of others which all PMs must do anyway. It isn't a one person job. Few people are experts on everything.
Tue, 2019-09-24 18:13
#56
@ allan smithee
You've got a lot of anger brother. I recognize the racist in me. Maybe that helps?
You seem to have a redundancy problem. You're predictable and boring.
Just admit it, you won't for Jag because you're a racist!
I would never recoment voting liberal because if Justin, a proven self admited racist becomes pm, the optics will be horrifc.
And when the Conservatiuves win you're going to bitch and moan about their policies. You want to talk racism? Take a good look at the Cons and especially Scheer who has appeared on Faith Goldy's show so yeah, I don't want a racist pm who is going to suck off Donald Trump and get Canada inolved with all the wars they have up their sleeves at the beheast of Israel and now Saudi Arabia.
Or all the pipelines that will be built across Canada and even in the Arctic.
Or them taking a chainsaw to our social safety net.
Not to mention all the terrrible super right wing policies they will make into law. Oh you wait. This is still Stephen Harper's party .
And you think the Liberals are bad?
You're in for a big surprise, Buckwheat.
First off, my handle here is WWWTT, not Buckwheat (borderline racist term so I think I hit the nail on the head with you)
Secondly, Scheer and the conservatives are not an exuse for Justins past and current displays of racism. If the liberals get in, Justin will get away with being a racist.
Tue, 2019-09-24 19:01
#57
alan smithee
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Tue, 2019-09-24 19:00
#58
alan smithee
@ allan smithee
You've got a lot of anger brother. I recognize the racist in me. Maybe that helps?
You seem to have a redundancy problem. You're predictable and boring.
Just admit it, you won't for Jag because you're a racist!
I would never recoment voting liberal because if Justin, a proven self admited racist becomes pm, the optics will be horrifc.
And when the Conservatiuves win you're going to bitch and moan about their policies. You want to talk racism? Take a good look at the Cons and especially Scheer who has appeared on Faith Goldy's show so yeah, I don't want a racist pm who is going to suck off Donald Trump and get Canada inolved with all the wars they have up their sleeves at the beheast of Israel and now Saudi Arabia.
Or all the pipelines that will be built across Canada and even in the Arctic.
Or them taking a chainsaw to our social safety net.
Not to mention all the terrrible super right wing policies they will make into law. Oh you wait. This is still Stephen Harper's party .
And you think the Liberals are bad?
You're in for a big surprise, Buckwheat.
First off, my handle here is WWWTT, not Buckwheat (borderline racist term so I think I hit the nail on the head with you)
Secondly, Scheer and the conservatives are not an exuse for Justins past and current displays of racism. If the liberals get in, Justin will get away with being a racist.
Your name is Buckwheat to me. Racist? Well how about Sunshine? That work for you,Buckwheat?
And do I have to tell you again? I AM a racist. A HUGE racist. In fact I'm bleaching my sheets and hoods as we speak.
Tue, 2019-09-24 19:35
#59
@ allan smithee
You've got a lot of anger brother. I recognize the racist in me. Maybe that helps?
You seem to have a redundancy problem. You're predictable and boring.
Just admit it, you won't for Jag because you're a racist!
I would never recoment voting liberal because if Justin, a proven self admited racist becomes pm, the optics will be horrifc.
And when the Conservatiuves win you're going to bitch and moan about their policies. You want to talk racism? Take a good look at the Cons and especially Scheer who has appeared on Faith Goldy's show so yeah, I don't want a racist pm who is going to suck off Donald Trump and get Canada inolved with all the wars they have up their sleeves at the beheast of Israel and now Saudi Arabia.
Or all the pipelines that will be built across Canada and even in the Arctic.
Or them taking a chainsaw to our social safety net.
Not to mention all the terrrible super right wing policies they will make into law. Oh you wait. This is still Stephen Harper's party .
And you think the Liberals are bad?
You're in for a big surprise, Buckwheat.
First off, my handle here is WWWTT, not Buckwheat (borderline racist term so I think I hit the nail on the head with you)
Secondly, Scheer and the conservatives are not an exuse for Justins past and current displays of racism. If the liberals get in, Justin will get away with being a racist.
Your name is Buckwheat to me. Racist? Well how about Sunshine? That work for you,Buckwheat?
And do I have to tell you again? I AM a racist. A HUGE racist. In fact I'm bleaching my sheets and hoods as we speak.
It's not very nice to call people names Alan. Especially so when they clearly don't want you to.
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:06
#60
It's OK Paladan 1. This is typical alan smithee. He's an abusive poster and a liberal hack. I find his antics to be just that and he only does himself more harm then anything. The title of my thread obviously has infuriated him. We had a run in a couple years ago or so and after the dust settled we just chose to ignore each other for the most part.
He goes off on these abusive spurts from time to time. If he goes over the top MegB may suspend him for a short time? But ultimately it doesn't prevent me from posting what I feel needs to be. If alan smithee wants to keep this thread going, all the power to him
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:26
#61
Not okay. Nothing okay about it. Shocking on this site.
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:30
#62
alan smithee
Not okay. Nothing okay about it. Shocking on this site.
Boo hoo...Waaaah!
What a bunch of babies. It's shocking for me to call someone Bucxkwheat or Sunshine?
Grow up and die right.
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:31
#63
It takes a lot more to shock on this site than it used to. This whole thread is way out there. I think this threads author is mostly responsible.
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:32
#64
Calling someone Sunshine is not the same as calling someone Buckwheat.
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:43
#65
alan smithee
Calling someone Sunshine is not the same as calling someone Buckwheat.
Explain. No forget that, I am a racist,see? So if I call someone a name as innocuous as Buckwheat I'm ' shocking'
It's just a name like Sunshine,Buddy or dipshit. If this offends you I suggest to bury your head in the sand because people are called MUCH worse every day.
You're probably one of these people that watches a Comedy show just to walk out with your butt hurt because you have no sense of humour and oblivious to context.
After being called racist over and over again, calling someone something that could only be offensive to a Mary Whitehouse or over grown baby is nothing 'shocking'
Don't ever listen to George Carlin of Richard Pryor. You'd have an outrage aneurysm.
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:45
#66
Alan if you do a quick search I think you'll see that Buckwheat is actually considered racially insensitive (at the very least) to many people. It's also considered derogatory and a racial stereotype.
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:46
#67
It takes a lot more to shock on this site than it used to. This whole thread is way out there. I think this threads author is mostly responsible.
Thanks I'll take that as a compliment
I think it would be safe to say that racism is a very charged hotly debated topic/subject/issue. Also, not the first time my thread titles have pissed posters off.
I also believe that I can safely say that when discussing/debating racism, posters never think they themselves are racist. And will do anything to avoid the label. I find this very odd and don't see how this is helpful
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:50
#68
alan smithee
Alan if you do a quick search I think you'll see that Buckwheat is actually considered racially insensitive (at the very least) to many people. It's also considered derogatory and a racial stereotype.
Bullshit. But you can read it anyway you like.It's all in your mind
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:56
#69
Love George Carlin, favorite bit is on religion and dinosaurs.
I'm not calling you a racist. However you intended the term to be interpreted it is racially charged and shouldn't be used on this site, just in my opinion of course.
Tue, 2019-09-24 20:59
#70
It takes a lot more to shock on this site than it used to. This whole thread is way out there. I think this threads author is mostly responsible.
Thanks I'll take that as a compliment
I think it would be safe to say that racism is a very charged hotly debated topic/subject/issue. Also, not the first time my thread titles have pissed posters off.
I also believe that I can safely say that when discussing/debating racism, posters never think they themselves are racist. And will do anything to avoid the label. I find this very odd and don't see how this is helpful
Glad to see that you’re enjoying the bonfire you started. I think that was probably your intent. The word “pyromania” comes to mind.
Tue, 2019-09-24 21:22
#71
Misfit
Buckwheat is also a death threat. It means to shoot someone up the butt so that they die a slow and painful death. It was on a movie something like “what to do in Denver when you are dead”.
Tue, 2019-09-24 21:22
#72
This threads title is interesting. I would not have framed it exactly like that but to me the Liberal government and the Conservative government before them are continuing the ongoing systemic racism that has underpinned our society. Trudeau is in breach of a Canadian Human Rights ruling and he has belittled indigenous protestors and bullied women Cabinet Ministers. If you still vote Liberal that means you are abetting racism at minimum. That goes for the Conservatives as well since they are two sides of the same coin.
Tue, 2019-09-24 21:27
#73
Misfit
Sorry, the movie is “Things to do in Denver when you are Dead”
Tue, 2019-09-24 22:12
#74
Misfit
Here is a reference to “buckwheat” being killed painfully.
Wed, 2019-09-25 01:52
#75
It takes a lot more to shock on this site than it used to. This whole thread is way out there. I think this threads author is mostly responsible.
Thanks I'll take that as a compliment
I think it would be safe to say that racism is a very charged hotly debated topic/subject/issue. Also, not the first time my thread titles have pissed posters off.
I also believe that I can safely say that when discussing/debating racism, posters never think they themselves are racist. And will do anything to avoid the label. I find this very odd and don't see how this is helpful
Glad to see that you’re enjoying the bonfire you started. I think that was probably your intent. The word “pyromania” comes to mind.
To have a discussion debate on racism and how it's attached to the liberal party? That's a bonfire?
Also, do you not want to discuss debate racism? Why do you want to shut down a debate/discussion of racism and how it relates to the liberal party/Justin?
Wed, 2019-09-25 02:02
#76
Currently the Conservatives appear to be the party that is gaining the most from this in the polling, with the Bloc also benefiting. In what way does people shfting their support from the Liberals and NDP to the Conservatives and the Bloc benefit the fight against racism in Canada?
Not entirely sure how accurate this statemwnt is? So far, as I write this, it's barely a week since news broke. There are yet to be debates with Justin and it hasn't worked it's way into any political adds.
This I believe is somewhat of an issue that will be discussed well past the election
Wed, 2019-09-25 02:02
#77
Currently the Conservatives appear to be the party that is gaining the most from this in the polling, with the Bloc also benefiting. In what way does people shfting their support from the Liberals and NDP to the Conservatives and the Bloc benefit the fight against racism in Canada?
Not entirely sure how accurate this statemwnt is? So far, as I write this, it's barely a week since news broke. There are yet to be debates with Justin and it hasn't worked it's way into any political adds.
This I believe is somewhat of an issue that will be discussed well past the election
Wed, 2019-09-25 02:16
#78
WWT
Um no.
I know I am going to regret commenting in this absurd thread but.....
The deterioration happened because we decided to support a request from the US to arrest Meng and quite frankly in the real world do you seriously think for a second we are not going do as requested by the USA
And contrary to all of your many China can do no wrong musings, China can be obnoxious creeps in business negotiations. HD Mining in Tumbler Ridge anyone!
Yes China has made many significant strides in improving the lives of many their citizens but your over the top raw raw China nonsense is nauseating to say the least.
Give it a rest!
I could understand if your were commenting on the likes of Andrew Scheer but your comments about Justin Trudeau being a racist etc are beyond the pale and it is obvious you are suffering from low comprehension abilities.
G20 summit, Justin sits beside Xi Jin Ping, barely looks over to him. You would think Justin knows a few words of Mandarin dialect considereng the fact that the third most common language in Canada is Mandarin. No? 你好？你干什么？
What Justin did was a clear display of racism. The entire deteriation of Canada/China relations is probably due to his racism.
Thanks for joining a discussion/debate about racism and the liberal party/Justin. You should have no regrets. I'll also take that as a compliment thanks
If you real feel like throwing up because of something I may have wrote, I don't think it's me that's "over the top" as you put it.
You seem to be OK with Canada abiding to any of the US wishes to impose it's illegal trade embargos that are also human rights violations.
Would your opinion be any different if Canada was under the conservatives?
Wed, 2019-09-25 02:24
#79
This thread needs to be shut down.
Why do you think that?
I have found over the years that the discussion of racism makes racists in particular uncomfortable.
You can just ignore this thread. There are many threads here on babble that do not interest me. Just like any other forum.
Not to mention the fact that I simply do not have time to read research and comment on every topic.
Wed, 2019-09-25 02:47
#80
To have a discussion debate on racism and how it's attached to the liberal party? That's a bonfire?
Also, do you not want to discuss debate racism? Why do you want to shut down a debate/discussion of racism and how it relates to the liberal party/Justin?
I think racism in Canada is much bigger than just the Liberal Party, or the Conservative Party, or the NDP, Greens, BQ,.... I think this thread is just a partisan political hack job [and a circus freak show] that’s trying to use the spectre of “racism” for petty partisan political purposes. I think associating racism to just the Liberal Party grossly minimizes racism in Canada.
I think we should also ask ourselves why since at least the 60’s most people of colour in Canada have voted Liberal? I don’t think much has changed and I think most people of colour will vote Liberal again in this federal election. I think most people of colour appreciate the anti-racism policies provincial Liberal and NDP governments have put in place and they appreciate the antiracism policies federal Liberal governments have put in place in Canada. I think most people think Justin Trudeau is not a racist and that is being reflected in the opinion polls and will likely be reflected on Election Day. I think most racists will once again vote Conservative in this election although the new PPC might take a small portion of that vote away from the Conservatives.
I think there are many anti-racism initiatives and policies that should be established in Canada but unfortunately none of the major parties, Liberal, Conservative, NDP, and, Green have made fighting racism a major issue. I think it’s also ironic that the person most associated with supporting multiculturalism in Canada is Justin Trudeau’s father.
Wed, 2019-09-25 12:30
#81
Well, this discussion isn't going anywhere productive. Closing by request.