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I know, I know I just have to understand that in your world view any country not dominated by US banksters is a rogue nation and must be vilified.

Have I actually said any such thing, tho?

If I google "site:rabble.ca magoo rogue nation" will I really get to read about all those countries that I think need to be dominated by "US banksters"?

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Carry on with  your Cold War posts since you seem to be incapable of any other kind of thinking.

OK.  And you carry on yammering about "Russophobia", which is just the cold war from the other point of view.

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China isn’t looking for immigrants. Increasing the population isn’t an issue like in Canada or Australia and other countries. That says something in itself now doesn’t it!

My question wasn't actually about China wanting population increase, it was about Canadians, who don't care for Canadian corporations trying to rob them, and whether they might rather live in a country in which the corporations work for the people!

I'm glad Chinese parents are free to have TWO children now, though.  The Chinese government is not just wise, but generous!  I yearn for the day that people unfortunate enough to live in a country other than China can similarly have a second child -- even if it's another girl!  Why can't all countries permit two children like China??

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So let ma ask you this Mr. Magoo, how many Chinese people do you think chairman Mao killed?

With his own two hands?  I'll go with 'none'.

That's an old "Trivial Pursuit" strategy, though.  When the question is "how many... [whatever]" the answer probably isn't "twenty three" or "one hundred, forty eight" -- it's probably either "zero" or "all of them".  Those are the best guesses, anyway.

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I just have to call you on it sometimes because it is just so f'ing constantly discussion killing.

Then discuss around it.  Think of my posts as an ad, and ignore them like you would an ad.  Don't be fragile if you want to change the world.

Jeez, Louise.

I didn't prove your point.  You proved it yourself by typing "LMAOFROF" -- that makes it clear to all that you must have bested me in rhetorical combat or whatever.  It's the Royal Flush of discussion boards.

Anyway... slow day??

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ya actually you did, and you’re proving his point again because what you’re writing makes no sense.

It makes sense, WWWTT.  You just don't agree with it, and that's not the same.

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Just like when I asked you how many people chairman Mao killed.

And now that you mention it, I'm still waiting on your authoritative answer.  Allow me to guess again:  he killed a million, but Xi Jinping brought them all back to life, and now they're prosperous and happy.

His statue isn't going to carve itself, WWWTT.  Back to work!

Sick & Tired of US Foreign Policy, Germany is Pushed into the Open Arms of China

https://on.rt.com/962d

"Germany has had enough of American foreign policy. Angela Merkel's visits to Russia and China are a testament to that..."

President of Russia Interview with China Media Group

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/57684

"... Russia and China are neighbours. We have been interacting for centuries and our historical ties and roots go very deep. It is not by chance that in recent decades as neighbors, we have built a relationship that probably cannot be compared with anything in the world. It is truly built on consideration of each other's interests.

He [President Xi] is a very accessible and sincere person. But at the same time he is a very reliable partner. I look forward to good positive relations.

We are not surprised by any restrictions or sanctions. This does not frighten us and will never force us to abandon our independent, sovereign path of development. I believe Russia will be sovereign, or it will not exist at all. And, of course, the Russian people will always choose the first. I think the Chinese people feel the same."

China Pledges $20 Billion in Loans to Middle East and Aid For Palestine

https://on.rt.com/99ow

"Beijing has prepared a package of $20 billion in loans and about $106 million in financial aid, for Middle East nations, including Palestine, Reuters reports. China has traditionally played a small role in the Middle East, but has recently been increasing its influence..."

Tom Dispatch has a long, interesting article up by the historian Alfred McCoy. In it, he reflects on the likelihood of China becoming the next global hegemon, a process immeasurably aided by the utter incompetence of Trump.

Alfred McCoy wrote:

China’s bid couldn’t have been more fortuitous in its timing. After nearly 70 years as the globe’s hegemon, Washington’s dominance over the world economy had begun to wither and its once-superior work force to lose its competitive edge. By 2016, in fact, the dislocations brought on by the economic globalization that had gone with American dominion sparked a revolt of the dispossessed in democracies worldwide and in the American heartland, bringing the self-proclaimed “populist” Donald Trump to power. Determined to check his country’s decline, he has adopted an aggressive and divisive foreign policy that has roiled long-established alliances in both Asia and Europe and is undoubtedly giving that decline new impetus.

Within months of Trump’s entry into the Oval Office, the world was already witnessing a sharp rivalry between Xi’s advocacy of a new form of global collaboration and Trump’s version of economic nationalism. In the process, humanity seems to be entering a rare historical moment when national leadership and global circumstances have coincided to create an opening for a major shift in the nature of the world order.

Yellow Scare is Back: America's New China Strategy (and podcast)

https://sptnkne.ws/jGwg

"Vice President Mike Pence gave a high profile, hardline speech at the Hudson Institute today that China is the world's greatest military and economic threat, and he risks inflaming an already delicate relationship. In a speech that set a new tone in bilateral relations and seeks to confront China directly, Pence argues that Beijing is a hostile military power to both the US and regional countries and that the Chinese government has meddled in US elections and will do so again. Pence also argued that China's strong economy is a threat to global financial stability..."

Chinese President Tells Military to Prepare For War

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/10/30/chin-o30.html

"In another sign of rapidly rising US-China tensions and the danger of conflict, President Xi Jinping has told his country to prepare for war. His speech last Thursday to the PLA , Southern Theatre Command was a response to the Trump administration's aggressive actions ot just in an intensifying trade war, but overtly readying for military conflict with both China and Russia..."

'Prepare For War', Xi Jinping Tells Military Region That Monitors South China Sea, Taiwan

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/2170452/prepare-war-xi-...

"It's necessary, to strengthen the mission...concentrate preparations for fighting a war,' Xi said."

Battle-Ready Beijing: China Prepares For War as Tensions with US Rising 

https://youtu.be/PnKTtcuNJXo

ps I can't help but notice Magoo, that you and the other members of your little band of right-leftouts never take issue with anything in the WaPo or NYT or Guardian, the worst purveyors of toxic lies and establishment propaganda - fuck even loony Louise Mensch passes muster with you rednecks. No wonder your heads are so full of msm establishment shit and confusion.

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ps I can't help but notice Magoo, that you and the other members of your little band of right-leftouts never take issue with anything in the WaPo or NYT or Guardian, the worst purveyors of toxic lies and establishment propaganda

You forgot one NDPP, democracy now, the worst one of them all! There’s one poster here on babble that keeps posting links to these faux left wing very pro war imperialism so called independent news outlet. democracy now is pure garbage.

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Yellow Scare is Back: America's New China Strategy (and podcast)

https://sptnkne.ws/jGwg

Haha! Freakin' Sputnik is accusing OTHER people of whipping up racial panic?  

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French fries are bad for you? Maybe a bad comparison since I like fries once and a while.

I know very well that Rabble publishes stuff I disagree with. Didn't know about the relationship between Amy Goodman and Rabble. This makes things a little more problomatic. From some quick reading, Amy is an environmental activist. Also know from reading that Democracy Now has a pro warish liberalish agenda.

This circumstance is like when the NDP supported Libya bombings. Are we to shut our mouths up when the NDP starts acting like imperialists? I regret nothing I've written. In fact, this site needs NDPP and WWWTT to remind everyone that we're not all in a group hug on the same page.

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I appreciate there is a wide range of opinion here, and that the tone of the discussion has gotten more respectful over the past year. 

It has. In the early pre-Facebook years it was a mess and we lost important voices to the general mayhem and bare knuckle fighting that was the mainstay of babble. We try to maintain a balance of progressive perspectives and not everyone will pass the purity test some set out. It would be a pretty boring place if we all agreed all the time.

Canada's Engagement With East Asia: Report of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development -- Michael Levitt, Chair

https://ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/FAAE/report-20

"...The Government of Canada should pursue a strategy that blends law enforcement and intelligence approaches with targeted development assistance in order to increase its engagement on counter-terrorism with partner countries in East Asia.'

'Canada's economic relationship with China is critical to Canada's long-term prosperity. As Canada seeks to diversify its eonomic relations away from an over reliance on the North American market maintaining and increasing two-way trade and investment with China offers opportunities on a scale not available elsewhere. The Committee is of the view that economic relations with China are a necessity and should be a key priority not only for Canada's foreign policy in East Asia but globally.'

'As James Boutiler noted, Canada is 'trapped between a commitment to liberal values and the practicalities of forging economic relationships with increasingly unsavoury policies in Asia..."

This pressure seems to be skipping over what Canada should be doing.

The Trudeau government has been pathetic with diplomacy towards China. It has insulted it time and again including just last week confusing it with Japan. Trudeau has not spoken respectfully to China throughout this or shown any tact, understanding or any public efforts to put the Canadian position in a good way.

Without having tried this, Canada trying to out muscle much larger China is arrogant and stupid and will have nothing but negative effect.

Certainly Canada could consider AFTER good diplomacy, sending messages in other ways but not before.

It does not help that Canada has tried diplomacy with the US -- not always good but certainly better and more of it. Canada is not standing up at all to the US.

I think Canada should stand up a bit to the US and explain respectfully its position to the Chinese at the highest levels -- meaning the PM to get involved directly and even go there if he can.

China has been trying to get Canada's attention and the PM is rebuffing them.

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This pressure seems to be skipping over what Canada should be doing.

The Trudeau government has been pathetic with diplomacy towards China. It has insulted it time and again including just last week confusing it with Japan. Trudeau has not spoken respectfully to China throughout this or shown any tact, understanding or any public efforts to put the Canadian position in a good way.

Without having tried this, Canada trying to out muscle much larger China is arrogant and stupid and will have nothing but negative effect.

Certainly Canada could consider AFTER good diplomacy, sending messages in other ways but not before.

It does not help that Canada has tried diplomacy with the US -- not always good but certainly better and more of it. Canada is not standing up at all to the US.

I think Canada should stand up a bit to the US and explain respectfully its position to the Chinese at the highest levels -- meaning the PM to get involved directly and even go there if he can.

China has been trying to get Canada's attention and the PM is rebuffing them.

agreed