They count the population the same way apartheid South Africa did -- by excluding the Arab-majority territories they control, except when they don't. By calling them "disputed territories", they gloss over the fact they've been part of Israel for 51 years (and Israel only [i]didn't[/i] control them for the first 19 years of its existence). Jews in the West Bank get to vote in Israeli elections and live wherever they want. Christians and Muslims don't. The numbers you're quoting appear to be for Israeli [i]citizens[/i]. It's a cute little rhetorical trick that the world didn't buy when it was Rhodesia or South Africa, but has suddenly swallowed when it comes to Israel.
The murderous Israeli apartheid regime
Mon, 2018-07-30 22:41
#152
Tue, 2018-07-31 00:13
#153
Aren't almost all of the Palestinians who live in the West Bank and Gaza Strip citizens of the State of Palestine?
Tue, 2018-07-31 01:04
#154
I think Israel and France would both be better off if they both implemented majour reforms to their political systems but I also think it's up to the French and Israelis themselves to democratically change their respective systems.I thought that was who you were referring to when you wrote "Israeli's by and large are murderous towards their neighbours." Are these Israelis you refer to not mostly Jewish?Why do you add the word Jewish to my posts?
Unlike you I don't care about people's religion I only care whether the government they support is racist and actively killing people in the occupied zone. The majority of Israeli's are not in the streets protesting this human rights disaster that appears to be as genocidal as the settling of the American West. Instead they vote for the parties that are caring out this travesty.
You should stop judging people based on their religion and instead look to their politics. Many of the small groups of protestors against this apartheid regime wear tradional religious attire that appears to an untrained eye to be from the Jewish culture. That is why this current state of Israel must disappear. France has had 5 republics why are you so determined to support this murderous version of Israel?
France needs reform but it is not currently overseeing an apartheid regime that is enslaving millions in deplorable conditions so yes I agree that they should be left to their own devices. Israel, like South Africa when it was an apartheid regime, must be opposed by the international community.
Tue, 2018-07-31 03:13
#155
Israel Has No Right To Self Defense Against Gaza - by Norman Finkelstein
http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/07/28/israel-has-no-right-to-self-defe...
"The fact is, Israel cannot claim a right to use any force in Gaza whether moderate or excessive, proportionate or disproportionate; whether protesters are unarmed or armed, don't or do pose an imminent threat to life. If it appears otherwise, that's because the current debate ignores critical caveats in international law..."
Israel Seeks To Isolate Palestinians From Global Support
https://twitter.com/steketeh/status/1024019017227542529
"How Israel uses BDS legislation to isolate Palestinians from global support and obstruct the work of human rights defenders."
Wed, 2018-08-01 07:18
#156
"These are five of the Palestinian female journalists detained by the Israeli occupation in its crackdown on Palestinian free speech."
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1024318982432518144
"Palestinian poet Doreen Tatour has been sentenced to five months in prison by the Israeli Occupation for 'Facebook content'. Poetry is freedom of speech. Israel is now stealing that from Palestinians."
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1024316399802634240
"The Israeli occupation court extends the detention of the Palestinian writer Lama Khaler. Lama was arrested from her home at midnight, last week, and a picture of her giving her little kid a goodbye hug went viral."
Wed, 2018-08-01 11:12
#157
"Palestinian poet Doreen Tatour has been sentenced to five months in prison by the Israeli Occupation for 'Facebook content'. Poetry is freedom of speech. Israel is now stealing that from Palestinians."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45018754
The third post was a photo of an Israeli Arab woman who was shot and wounded by Israeli police after she brandished a knife. It was captioned: "I am the next martyr."
As long as martyrdom doesn't involve going to jail.
Wed, 2018-08-01 15:24
#158
Thu, 2018-08-02 07:29
#159
'I'm Ready To Go To Prison 100 More Times' - Ahed Tamimi- (and vid)
"I knew they would arrest me. It's a common practice when your people live under Israeli oppression,' Ahed Tamimi said, speaking about the incident which later got her jailed. She claims that the soldier she slapped was the one who earlier shot her 14-year-old cousin Mohammed in the face with a rubber bullet at close range. The boy was later placed in an induced coma and had part of his skull removed.
'It was the soldier who shot Mohammed when he was already wounded in the face and nearly died because of it,' she said. 'This was the same soldier who fired at teenagers where I live.' Nevertheless, Tamimi remains committed to the Palestinian cause and plans to become a lawyer one day. Her mission in life is to 'stand up for my country', she said."
"Ahed Tamimi has been recently released released from the Israeli prison; here's to never forget all the other Palestinian girls and women who are still suffering in that hell. Fifteen thousand Palestinian women and girls have been arrested by the Israeli occupation."
Fri, 2018-08-03 08:25
#160
Ahed Tamimi Interview: 'I missed gazing at the stars'... (and vid)
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1024906140117655552
"...We used to live together in peace - Jews, Christians and Muslims. But this is Zionism. It's what is preventing peace from ever happening. Our problem was never with the Jews, it's with Zionism. This is what we've always said..."
Auschwitz Survivor Hajo Meyer - His Last EI Interview (and vid)
"If we want to stay human beings, we must step up and call the Zionists what they are: Nazi criminals,' Meyer said. The hate of the Jews by the Germans 'was less deeply rooted than the hate of the Palestinians by the Israeli Jews,' he observed. 'My message for the Palestinians is that they should not give up their fight. It is justified to show the Israeli Zionists that you are a force to reckon with. Fight with stones, with weapons. Yes, also with weapons. If you don't fight, you lose your self-esteem and you will not be respected by the Israelis. If we western democratic societies don't support the Palestinians in their fight, we must feel ashamed..."
Fri, 2018-08-03 23:28
#161
'Thousands of Palestinians took part in the Great Return March protests at Gaza border today."
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1025451410496872448
"England has been supporting Palestine for years. Watch some aspects of its solidarity with the Palestinians."
Sat, 2018-08-04 16:21
#162
US Military Aid To Israel Set To Exceed A Record $3.8 Billion
"US Military Aid to Israel sets a new record with $3.3 billion in military aid along with over $500 million for missile defense."
Sun, 2018-08-05 07:47
#163
An Unlikely Union: Israel and the European Far Right
https://twitter.com/RamzyBaroud/status/1025546954498031616
"Israel has been engaging far-right groups and parties across Europe, ignoring their anti-Semitism."
(But 'Jeremy Corbyn is a F***ing anti-Semite!')
Sun, 2018-08-05 17:18
#164
Israeli Settler Colonialism and Occupation Fact Sheet
https://countercurrents.org/2018/05/17/israeli-settler-colonialism-and-o...
"Every government in the world, except Israel, considers Israel's settlement building since 1967 to be illegal. Israel is 'extremely unpopular worldwide'. It consistently polls as, and today remains, in the bottom four most unpopular countries in the world..."
Don't Walk With Apartheid and Genocide. Don't Walk With Israel!
Yeah, go to Paris and walk in the park with Sufa Arafat. Yasser squirreled billions away while starving the Palestinian people for political points. After three generations, the Palestinian leadership is still using its people for cannon fodder rather than making any effort at peace.
And, its all Israel's fault, blah, blah, blah.
Sun, 2018-08-05 18:24
#165
See Hajo Meyer #160
Sun, 2018-08-05 18:32
#166
I think comparing Israelis with NAZI's is anti-Semitic.
Sun, 2018-08-05 18:52
#167
You must have me confused with someone who gives a fuck.
Sun, 2018-08-05 20:02
#168
"The Israeli Army has killed another Palestinian child. Moath Ziad al-Sory, 15, succumbed to his wounds early in the morning, after being shot in the stomach by an Israeli soldier during protests in the occupied Gaza Strip yesterday."
https://twitter.com/benabyad/status/1025647516673626112
"A new survey conducted by Israel's Tel Aviv university finds that 75% of Israeli citizens approve the launch of another aggression on Gaza, including a grand invasion."
Sun, 2018-08-05 19:52
#169
Yeah, go to Paris and walk in the park with Sufa Arafat. Yasser squirreled billions away while starving the Palestinian people for political points.
The exact number of billions is in dispute. But even if it were only a tenth of a percent of that -- a million -- how many hours of overtime did Arafat have to work for that?
We've heard similar about the daughter of Hugo Chavez. Evidently, she doesn't have to scrounge a million Bolivars to buy an arepa. She must have been a really hard working go-getter.
Will anyone say, out loud, the "oligarch" word?
Mon, 2018-08-06 01:38
#170
You must have me confused with someone who gives a fuck.
I didn't think you gave a fuck about antisemitism.
Mon, 2018-08-06 09:51
#171
Yeah, go to Paris and walk in the park with Sufa Arafat. Yasser squirreled billions away while starving the Palestinian people for political points.The exact number of billions is in dispute. But even if it were only a tenth of a percent of that -- a million -- how many hours of overtime did Arafat have to work for that?
We've heard similar about the daughter of Hugo Chavez. Evidently, she doesn't have to scrounge a million Bolivars to buy an arepa. She must have been a really hard working go-getter.
Will anyone say, out loud, the "oligarch" word?
Meritocracy for those at the top of the greasy pole? Or should that be bloody pole?
Mon, 2018-08-06 09:54
#172
I didn't think you gave a fuck about antisemitism.You must have me confused with someone who gives a fuck.
I'm not confused at all. I know exactly what NDPP is.
Tue, 2018-08-07 10:13
#173
Resist Israeli Anti-Semitism
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1026712396738568192
"Israel discriminates against Palestinians on the basis of religion and ethnicity."
Israeli Blockades Emergency Fuel to Gaza Hospitals
https://twitter.com/rosendo_joe/status/1026141735699791872
"I just hope that the victims of this systematic barbarism that is supported by the US/Canada/UK/EU are not using language that Israel's apologists in the West have labelled offensive. Surely that must be our highest priority..."
Tue, 2018-08-07 11:34
#174
Israeli Blockades Emergency Fuel to Gaza Hospitals
https://twitter.com/rosendo_joe/status/1026141735699791872
"I just hope that the victims of this systematic barbarism that is supported by the US/Canada/UK/EU are not using language that Israel's apologists in the West have labelled offensive. Surely that must be our highest priority..."
They forgot one:
Tue, 2018-08-07 12:12
#175
Moscow Condemns Indiscriminate Use of Violence During Protests at Israeli Border
"Moscow condemns the indiscriminate use of violence against civilians during the mass Palestinian protests at the Israeli border and expresses condolences to the victims, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Saturday..."
Tue, 2018-08-07 15:13
#176
Moscow Condemns Indiscriminate Use of Violence During Protests at Israeli Border
"Moscow condemns the indiscriminate use of violence against civilians during the mass Palestinian protests at the Israeli border and expresses condolences to the victims, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Saturday..."
You had to go back 4 months?
Tue, 2018-08-07 16:16
#177
I grabbed the first thing that came to hand. Actually Russia regularly votes against Israel at the UN and other international fora. Incidentally, how long would I have to go back to find any condemnation of Israeli violence or expressions of care and concern by you for Palestinians on this board Bekayne?
Tue, 2018-08-07 16:21
#178
Only in Gaza...
Wed, 2018-08-08 00:25
#179
I didn't think you gave a fuck about antisemitism.You must have me confused with someone who gives a fuck.
I'm not confused at all. I know exactly what NDPP is.
Yeah, this seems antisemitic to me:
"If we want to stay human beings, we must step up and call the Zionists what they are: Nazi criminals,' Meyer said. The hate of the Jews by the Germans 'was less deeply rooted than the hate of the Palestinians by the Israeli Jews,' he observed.
Wed, 2018-08-08 10:42
#180
..this is a very informative video report 23.39 min. sorry no transcript available for to show you.
Israel is Turning From a Security State to a Private Security State
Shir Hever discusses his book on the privatization of Israeli security, the role of the Palestinian Authority as a subcontractor, and the international impact of Israeli security firms
Wed, 2018-08-08 14:37
#181
Journalism is an Indictable Offence
https://twitter.com/ShehabAgencyEn/status/1027186663779389441
"Detained journalists...Being active in the field of journalism considered as a crime. This is the hidden face of 'The only democratic state in the middle east."
Dame Vivian Duffield Says 'My Israel is Dead' Thanks To 'Apartheid' Nation State Law
"I loathe what's taking place in Israel', says one of UK's largest donors to the country's charities. 'Apartheid. It is South Africa - one law for one group and one law for the other. In truth, my Israel is dead...I think that Israel will not survive in the end, not the Israel I knew..."
Thu, 2018-08-09 00:51
#182
Israel Bombs Gaza As Hospitals Run Out of Fuel
"Bayan, one and a half year old, was killed with her 9-month-pregnant mother by an Israeli airstrike that bombed their home in central Gaza tonight."
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1027362281540268033
Dear Bayan, I am sorry you and your mum are dead because so many here including me have let Israel get away with mass murder for so long and that 26,000+ Zionists 'walk with Israel' and raise millions of dollars in my city every year to buy our politicians and to support and finance the theft of your land and the murder of your people. I promise to make this stop and hold the guilty accountable.
Fri, 2018-08-10 01:24
#183
They 'Walk With Israel' Too...
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1027620402875523072
"This was the Water and Sanitation Department of al-Mughraqa city, central Gaza Strip. It was hit and completely destroyed by several Israeli air strikes last night. The Israeli regime targets Gaza infrastructure so that it would cause the hugest damage possible."
Fri, 2018-08-10 01:30
#184
Mahmoud Abbas: Stop Exploiting Ahed Tamimi For Personal Gain
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/09/mahmoud-abbas-stop-exploiting-ah...
"Abbas, along with Israel, has subjected Palestinians in Gaza to a prolonged campaign of collective punishment. The truth is that Palestinians in the West Bank, not just in Gaza, loathe Mahmoud Abbas. They want him and his violent, corrupt apparatus to go away..."
Fri, 2018-08-10 16:57
#185
I think comparing Israelis with NAZI's is anti-Semitic.
How about if we compare them to Afrikaners?
Fri, 2018-08-10 20:35
#186
I think comparing Israelis with NAZI's is anti-Semitic.How about if we compare them to Afrikaners?
How about we compare them to Israelites, Canaanites, Hebrews, and Judeans?
Fri, 2018-08-10 20:39
#187
"Colleagues and friends of slain paramedic Abdullah Quatati crying after he was announced dead after being shot and critically injured by Israeli snipers at Gaza border."
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1027963424779759616
Zionist Editing of Wikipedia
"A workshop teaching Zionists how to edit Wikipedia pages to be more favorable towards Israel."
Fri, 2018-08-10 22:14
#188
How about we compare them to Israelites, Canaanites, Hebrews, and Judeans?I think comparing Israelis with NAZI's is anti-Semitic.How about if we compare them to Afrikaners?
Why ancient history when they are clearly a race based society that has set up more than one class of human. In my lifetime the best example for what the Israeli government is doing is apartheid not Nazism. Apartheid is a British based colonial method of subduing a preexisting population. They developed it from Canadian Indian Act laws and US Jim Crow laws. The religion of the murderous settler soicety called Israel is irrelevant to its place in history as an apartheid regime to be vilified and despised. The fact that the Afrikaners were Dutch Reform Church members is also irrelevant. The fact that both societies see some of the people who occupy the same geographic area as less than human compared to people who belong to their settler society is the only relevant fact.
Fri, 2018-08-10 23:02
#189
How about we compare them to Israelites, Canaanites, Hebrews, and Judeans?I think comparing Israelis with NAZI's is anti-Semitic.How about if we compare them to Afrikaners?
Why ancient history when they are clearly a race based society that has set up more than one class of human. In my lifetime the best example for what the Israeli government is doing is apartheid not Nazism. Apartheid is a British based colonial method of subduing a preexisting population. They developed it from Canadian Indian Act laws and US Jim Crow laws. The religion of the murderous settler soicety called Israel is irrelevant to its place in history as an apartheid regime to be vilified and despised. The fact that the Afrikaners were Dutch Reform Church members is also irrelevant. The fact that both societies see some of the people who occupy the same geographic area as less than human compared to people who belong to their settler society is the only relevant fact.
Other countries favour a religion; why single out Israel?
Fri, 2018-08-10 23:34
#190
Other countries favour a religion; why single out Israel?How about we compare them to Israelites, Canaanites, Hebrews, and Judeans?I think comparing Israelis with NAZI's is anti-Semitic.How about if we compare them to Afrikaners?
Why ancient history when they are clearly a race based society that has set up more than one class of human. In my lifetime the best example for what the Israeli government is doing is apartheid not Nazism. Apartheid is a British based colonial method of subduing a preexisting population. They developed it from Canadian Indian Act laws and US Jim Crow laws. The religion of the murderous settler soicety called Israel is irrelevant to its place in history as an apartheid regime to be vilified and despised. The fact that the Afrikaners were Dutch Reform Church members is also irrelevant. The fact that both societies see some of the people who occupy the same geographic area as less than human compared to people who belong to their settler society is the only relevant fact.
Try reading my posts. As I said the religon of Israeli's is irrelevant. Why is it all about religion for you? The society is aggresively stealing another peoples land and inside of the country it has more than one class of citizen. It was wrong when we did similar shit in Canada and it is just as fucking wrong in this millenium.
Sat, 2018-08-11 00:08
#191
Other countries favour a religion; why single out Israel?How about we compare them to Israelites, Canaanites, Hebrews, and Judeans?I think comparing Israelis with NAZI's is anti-Semitic.How about if we compare them to Afrikaners?
Why ancient history when they are clearly a race based society that has set up more than one class of human. In my lifetime the best example for what the Israeli government is doing is apartheid not Nazism. Apartheid is a British based colonial method of subduing a preexisting population. They developed it from Canadian Indian Act laws and US Jim Crow laws. The religion of the murderous settler soicety called Israel is irrelevant to its place in history as an apartheid regime to be vilified and despised. The fact that the Afrikaners were Dutch Reform Church members is also irrelevant. The fact that both societies see some of the people who occupy the same geographic area as less than human compared to people who belong to their settler society is the only relevant fact.
Try reading my posts. As I said the religon of Israeli's is irrelevant. Why is it all about religion for you? The society is aggresively stealing another peoples land and inside of the country it has more than one class of citizen. It was wrong when we did similar shit in Canada and it is just as fucking wrong in this millenium.
Other countries also have more than one class of citizen; why single Israel out?
Shouldn't Jewish people also have the right to self-determination?
Sat, 2018-08-11 19:29
#192
Other countries also have more than one class of citizen; why single Israel out? Shouldn't Jewish people also have the right to self-determination?
Other men sexually assault women why single out Trump? Define "Jewish people" and maybe then we can understand your logic. Does it refer to a cultural, religion or ethnicty,? Does it include black people who are of the Jewsih faith as well as white Russians who had to search back a generation to get to immigrant to a settler nation? Do the people who belong to your group called the "Jewish people" have to live anywhere in particular to claim that they can speak for all others who might share the characteristics that you attribute to "Jewish people."
Methinks you don't get the fact that the Israeli government is a murderous occupation force that is rapidly stealing another peoples land in the name of their right to self determination. Its exactly the mindset of Canadian settlers and Aussie settlers and Boar settlers. I condemn that history and am working to change that page in my country. Religion is not the issue, its the land, you willfully blindman.
Sat, 2018-08-11 20:01
#193
JKR wrote
Other countries also have more than one class of citizen; why single Israel out?
Shouldn't Jewish people also have the right to self-determination?
Poor debate tactic. I can't believe other posters here are falling for this.
How does using military force to expropriate the Palestinians property relate to the right of self determination? Blockading and destroying infrastructure? Building containment prison walls? These are all part of self determination?
Sat, 2018-08-11 21:03
#194
Other countries also have more than one class of citizen; why single Israel out? Shouldn't Jewish people also have the right to self-determination?Other men sexually assault women why single out Trump? Define "Jewish people" and maybe then we can understand your logic. Does it refer to a cultural, religion or ethnicty,? Does it include black people who are of the Jewsih faith as well as white Russians who had to search back a generation to get to immigrant to a settler nation? Do the people who belong to your group called the "Jewish people" have to live anywhere in particular to claim that they can speak for all others who might share the characteristics that you attribute to "Jewish people."
Methinks you don't get the fact that the Israeli government is a murderous occupation force that is rapidly stealing another peoples land in the name of their right to self determination. Its exactly the mindset of Canadian settlers and Aussie settlers and Boar settlers. I condemn that history and am working to change that page in my country. Religion is not the issue, its the land, you willfully blindman.
I agree that land is an issue as well as security and peace for both the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. I hope a two-state solution can be agreed upon to assure security and peace for both states.
Sat, 2018-08-11 22:30
#195
I agree that land is an issue as well as security and peace for both the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. I hope a two-state solution can be agreed upon to assure security and peace for both states.
For me personally I don't care how many states emerge after peace breaks out. I just want to see the Israeli government stop its genocidal relationship with the human beings inside the Occupied Territories.
Sun, 2018-08-12 00:01
#196
I agree that land is an issue as well as security and peace for both the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. I hope a two-state solution can be agreed upon to assure security and peace for both states.For me personally I don't care how many states emerge after peace breaks out. I just want to see the Israeli government stop its genocidal relationship with the human beings inside the Occupied Territories.
And I'd also want to see the Hamas government stop its genocidal relationship with the human beings inside Israel.
Sun, 2018-08-12 01:55
#197
"With total impunity, Israeli airstrikes destroyed a major cultural center in Gaza. It hosted theater companies, band rehearsals, a library and a children's cinema. We urge people of conscience to intensify creative cultural boycott campaigns in response."
Sun, 2018-08-12 19:20
#198
And I'd also want to see the Hamas government stop its genocidal relationship with the human beings inside Israel.I agree that land is an issue as well as security and peace for both the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. I hope a two-state solution can be agreed upon to assure security and peace for both states.For me personally I don't care how many states emerge after peace breaks out. I just want to see the Israeli government stop its genocidal relationship with the human beings inside the Occupied Territories.
You don't understand power relationships do you? Israelis have had a military occupation for three generations and now kill children for throwing stones and you see some type of equivalency. 50 year olds have been under the boot of a foreign occuping force their whole lives. How long to they have to wait for basic human rights to be bestowed on them by the settler society stealing their land and resources?
Sun, 2018-08-12 20:13
#199
And I'd also want to see the Hamas government stop its genocidal relationship with the human beings inside Israel.I agree that land is an issue as well as security and peace for both the State of Israel and the State of Palestine. I hope a two-state solution can be agreed upon to assure security and peace for both states.For me personally I don't care how many states emerge after peace breaks out. I just want to see the Israeli government stop its genocidal relationship with the human beings inside the Occupied Territories.
You don't understand power relationships do you? Israelis have had a military occupation for three generations and now kill children for throwing stones and you see some type of equivalency. 50 year olds have been under the boot of a foreign occuping force their whole lives. How long to they have to wait for basic human rights to be bestowed on them by the settler society stealing their land and resources?
I think Hamas, Hezbollah, and others are not just throwing rocks, they are also shooting rockets at Israel. And over recent generations there has also been the War of Independence, the Sinai War, the Six Day War, the Yom Kippur, a couple of Lebanon wars, and a few Intifadas.
Sun, 2018-08-12 21:23
#200
"One in three refugees worldwide is Palestinian. There are about 7.2 million Palestinian refugees worldwide."
Mon, 2018-08-13 13:07
#201
Rules of Engagement (doco)
http://presstvdoc.com/post/15426
"This doc exposes the brutal reality behind the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and looks at the activities of a group of former Israeli soldiers leading a campaign against Israel's illegal occupation."
"If you doubt Israel is literally a terrorist (& apartheid) state, read this from Times of Israel on how its Defence Minister just said that everyone Israel killed in Gaza since March is a Hamas member, 'apparently including a number of women and children'."
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1028991406164074496
Zio Psycho-State